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bobbyb2009 said:
I don't know what kind of a player Dickinson ends up being and if he is worth the contract or cost or not. We will find out.

But seriously, come on: The above poster is making a point saying you have to give away the puck to score and that possession is not everything. It has been proven so many ways in the history of sport that having the puck/ball is only a tool for either not allowing the other team to score, to create the opportunity to take the risk to try to score, and/or in some cases to rest and recover. But he is absolutely correct that the objective of the game is to score; and ultimately give the other team possession.

And come on, we would all rather have a player who wins the puck back a lot (takeaways) so that we can try to give the puck away again :)-)); who is willing to hurl his body in front of pucks to stop the other team from scoring (blocks); and who hits people in order to try to separate them from pucks than to have a player that does not do those things (all other things being equal). To say (or imply) otherwise is an absurd argument, kind of parallel to the argument that scoring a goal is the equivalent to giving the puck away- Which, I am taking as his point- it really isn't that hard.
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Even with this stupid absurdist reasoning that doesn’t even make any sense regarding OP’s original statement about how people who block a lot of shots spend a lot of time not in control of the puck: you do understand that you can win the post-goal face off, right? This isn’t football.
 
RobertKron said:
Even with this stupid absurdist reasoning that doesn’t even make any sense regarding OP’s original statement about how people who block a lot of shots spend a lot of time not in control of the puck: you do understand that you can win the post-goal face off, right? This isn’t football.
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there’s like three layers of stupidity here, the two you mentioned and also the fact that “possession” in hockey is not possession of the puck, it’s possession of the attack. We care about shots attempted because it means you were in the attacking zone, which is good. Blocking shots means you were in your own zone, which is bad.
 
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Even if Dickinson was a winger he would be a top 9 wingers on the Oilers. Probably competing for 4th line minutes on Vegas, but he's not far from that role here either. I don't think we win a Cup with Dickinson in the top 9, but we can make the playoffs.
 
Peter10 said:
In what world are hits, blocks essential stats in soccer? Do you even know what soccer is?

I am also curious who the NBA hit leader is.
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Gee, not EVERT stat applies to EVERY sport.

But if you really force it, a hit is like a tackle where you separate the ball from your opponent.
 
DonnyNucker said:
I have no idea/ just listened to him on the radio. If Harman is wrong he should be embarrassed
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I did see this morning that in his Athletic article he describes this Dickinson contract as "buying two UFA years" as well. I assume Dayal is just wrong on this one, I've seen nothing to indicate Dickinson would be a UFA next year.
 
racerjoe said:
Actually that’s generally not true, you score when you have possession. When the “net” has the puck it’s past tense you had the puck.
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I was just over emphasizing as a joke. But not we have gotten too serious.

Unless you carry the pick over the line, you lose possession of the puck as soon as it's off your stick.

And remember, Stefan tried to carry the puck to the net, then he lost possession and not score.
 
JAK said:
I was just over emphasizing as a joke. But not we have gotten too serious.

Unless you carry the pick over the line, you lose possession of the puck as soon as it's off your stick.

And remember, Stefan tried to carry the puck to the net, then he lost possession and not score.
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wrong again, you still have the puck when it’s off your stick. You lose possession when you lose control. Hence why when you pass the puck your team doesn’t lose control and regain control.

Stefan lost control of the puck, so he lost possession.
 
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racerjoe said:
wrong again, you still have the puck when it’s off your stick. You lose possession when you lose control. Hence why when you pass the puck your team doesn’t lose control and regain control.

Stefan lost control of the puck, so he lost possession.
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I give up, why do people take things so seriously
 
JAK said:
I give up, why do people take things so seriously
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You can’t have it both ways. You can’t use it in an example you are trying to be serious about, and be “joking”. You were trying to show an example and failed, that’s the point.

Blocked shots can be a good stat, but it can also be a negative stat because as has been pointed out you don’t have the puck. Alone it might not be bad but when all of the stats you listed, hits and takeaways lead to the same conclusion it’s bad.
 
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racerjoe said:
My honest deepest apologies. I hope you at least listen to the Ray Ferraro commentary.
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Was this recent? I don't like Dreger so I don't listen to their podcast if I can help it. Ray doesn't seem to do guest spots on radio anymore after 1040's demise and his move to ESPN?
 
F A N said:
Was this recent? I don't like Dreger so I don't listen to their podcast if I can help it. Ray doesn't seem to do guest spots on radio anymore after 1040's demise and his move to ESPN?
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He was doing the colour commentary for the local sportsnet on that clip. He absolutely went off on Stefan.
 
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I wonder what Green is more likely to do:

Use Pettersson/Horvat/Miller/Sutter as centers and Dickinson on the wing.

or

Miller on the top line and Dickinson/Sutter as bottom six centers.
 
rypper said:
I wonder what Green is more likely to do:

Use Pettersson/Horvat/Miller/Sutter as centers and Dickinson on the wing.

or

Miller on the top line and Dickinson/Sutter as bottom six centers.
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He'll use Miller at C until about a month after JPat starts asking him why not re-unite the Lotto Line with the team struggling to score.
 
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JAK said:
that's what i'm saying, the guy is saying blocked shots is a bad stat, i'm using his line of thinking to make him understand that it's a bad argument.

however, when you score, you don't have the puck, the net usually does.
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Jimbo? Terrible reply. You need the puck to score. Either just say you think blocked shots is a great stat or just take the L.
Either are better than what you replied.
 
racerjoe said:
He was doing the colour commentary for the local sportsnet on that clip. He absolutely went off on Stefan.
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Look up the story where a few months later Ferarro coincidently bumped in to him at the airport and Stefan asked him about it …
 
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