Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign D Tyler Myers to 5-Year, $30m Deal ($6m AAV)

[Horse McHindu]

But... They are signing him to an awful contract.

It’s really not.

It’s not great, but it’s far from awful.

Myers isn’t a long term solution obviously, but he will keep the boat afloat for a few years on that right side as the Canucks (hopefully) continue building up that side.

And no - Myers isn’t a 5th/6th dman or “inferior” to Alex Biega no matter how much certain people want that to be true.

Myers is a 3.75. Read the scouting reports out there.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

The unfortunate reality is that many “fans” hate Benning and so they’re going to try and hate on this guy without properly looking at the facts. What are the facts? The facts say that Myers is a 2nd pairing dman with some significant strengths and weaknesses. This guy can move the puck up ice fairly well, and is great on special teams. He also brings a bit of a physical element obviously. He does make some significant defensive gaffes, but perhaps these weaknesses can be nullified. Let’s see how he does with Edler instead of Kulikov, lol.

I do think there should be valid concern, in terms of Myers not being able to live up to contract expectations during his final two years, but I think we should be able to get 3 good years out of Myers.

What the hell...? You've had months to familiarize yourself with Myers.

1) Gaunce isn’t an NHL caliber forward.
2) Beagle is a very good 4th Line Center
3) Beagle is a recent cup winner and has been In Leadership roles throughout much of his career. This influence is important on a team with many young players that are trying to get to the next level.

Having said that, I will admit that Beagle is overpaid. At the time, no one knew what we really had in Elias Pettersson and so the Beagle signing at that time was necessary.

Show me anything that substantiates 1-3. Any data anywhere.

Why the f*** are you clapping? How does Myers compare to anyone on that list?

So much derp from just one guy...

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It’s really not.

It’s not great, but it’s far from awful.

Myers isn’t a long term solution obviously, but he will keep the boat afloat for a few years on that right side as the Canucks (hopefully) continue building up that side.

And no - Myers isn’t a 5th/6th dman or “inferior” to Alex Biega no matter how much certain people want that to be true.

Myers is a 3.75. Read the scouting reports out there.

He is no better than Ben Hutton.

 

[F A N]

The Canucks must have hired a new "leaker." After years of being accused of telegraphing their moves, Benning and the Canucks kept the Podkolzin pick pretty secret and had the media "insiders" believe that the Edler and Myers contract would be sign for more $ and more term.

 

[Havre]

I question the need for an UFA signing more than Myers. Obviously if you are in the situation we are in the only way to attract an UFA is basically to pay more than all other teams - so you are hardly going to get great value for money.

If you are a team on the upswing missing a piece or two to compete - then maybe you can convince a high profile UFA to come over at a decent deal because he wants to win. If you are not I think you should stay away from players in their late 20s/early 30s trying to get paid.

Not that the Canucks are alone taking on these kind of deals. Zuccarello in Minnesota is equally pointless in my opinion. Much better player, but also older. Myers at least, in theory, could play at his highest level throughout the contract. And the Canucks, in theory, should be on some sort of upswing come the next couple of years (not enough to win I fear, but kind of impossible not to improve somewhat when you keep on drafting high).

 

[Horse McHindu]

What the hell...? You've had months to familiarize yourself with Myers.

Show me anything that substantiates 1-3. Any data anywhere.

1) Gaunce isn’t an NHL forward because he wasn’t even good enough to crack a weak Canucks line-up. The “advanced stats” guys from other teams haven’t exactly been begging their GM’s to trade for Gaunce.....or Darren Archibald (by the way, how’s he been doing since he left here?), or any other scrub.

2) and 3) I can “substantiate” #3 by taking a picture of Jay Beagle’s name on the Stanley Cup? Take a look at the reception that Beagle received from the fans and his former teammates when he went back to Washington as a member of the Canucks. Read this article:
Beagle Mania! Jay Beagle’s Rise From Undrafted Prospect to NHL Regular

Think a guy like that isn’t valuable to a young and rebuilding team?

I know many (but not all) “advanced stats” guys hate the word “intangibles”, but it’s an actual thing. People that have actually played team sports understand this.


Re - Myers: Myers will earn the money that a number 3 guy (best dman on a 2nd pairing) should earn. The numbers and anyone doing an unbiased analysis, will agree that Myers is between a 3 and a 4....:maybe a little closer to a 4. Therefore, I think most would agree that Myers is slightly (but not terribly) overpaid, and given our massive needs on RD, it’s not a bad signing at all.[/QUOTE]

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

The Canucks salary structure...has no structure. Eriksson and Myers are getting the same dollars as Edler, and more than Horvat. There's just no rhyme or reason to it looking at it on capfriendly.There's literally no way to tell who the better players on the roster are looking at the contracts. It's just a complete mess.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

1) Gaunce isn’t an NHL forward because he wasn’t even good enough to crack a weak Canucks line-up. The “advanced stats” guys from other teams haven’t exactly been begging their GM’s to trade for Gaunce.....or Darren Archibald (by the way, how’s he been doing since he left here?), or any other scrub.

2) and 3) I can “substantiate” #3 by taking a picture of Jay Beagle’s name on the Stanley Cup? Take a look at the reception that Beagle received from the fans and his former teammates when he went back to Washington as a member of the Canucks. Read this article:
Beagle Mania! Jay Beagle’s Rise From Undrafted Prospect to NHL Regular

Think a guy like that isn’t valuable to a young and rebuilding team?

I know many (but not all) “advanced stats” guys hate the word “intangibles”, but it’s an actual thing. People that have actually played team sports understand this.


Re - Myers: Myers will earn the money that a number 3 guy (best dman on a 2nd pairing) should earn. The numbers and anyone doing an unbiased analysis, will agree that Myers is between a 3 and a 4....:maybe a little closer to a 4. Therefore, I think most would agree that Myers is slightly (but not terribly) overpaid, and given our massive needs on RD, it’s not a bad signing at all.

Come on.. be real for a moment. Look at what you posted here previously and then look at what happened with the Canucks that year.

You are extremely biased and it is preventing you from seeing what is true.

 

[mossey3535]

Still terrible. It's all about EP. Anything close to exceeding 2 years for a player who has already begun to decline will hamper our ability to extend the EP window. Everyone and anyone who isn't a young d-prospect (who would be cost controlled, a la Hughes) should be considered expendable and future contracts should be signed according to that timeline.

$1M in cap hit savings isn't that great since he's most likely still overpaid at $5M. And again, the term doesn't make sense.

This has been a whole week of dumb moves by Benning. I was hoping it was just a really persistent rumour but now we know it's true.

Couldn't he at least have signed boeser first?

 

[alternate]

It's a reasonable contract, all things considered. A bit of a lol at the posters that had been congratulating themselves for "calling" the $50m contract a few days ago.

For many players, situation and usage is almost as important as ability when it comes to success. It will be interesting to see how and with who Green uses Myers. Have to hope the fit is right, but the defense going into next season does look better than the blueline last October.

 

[Sens]

This is great contract... maybe ends up a steal with how the cap is rising

Myers is going to average 22 a night while putting up 45Pts... his game suffered behind the JEts depth but when Buff and Morrissey were out injured, he was outstanding with more responsibility

 

[F A N]

I question the need for an UFA signing more than Myers. Obviously if you are in the situation we are in the only way to attract an UFA is basically to pay more than all other teams - so you are hardly going to get great value for money.

If you are a team on the upswing missing a piece or two to compete - then maybe you can convince a high profile UFA to come over at a decent deal because he wants to win. If you are not I think you should stay away from players in their late 20s/early 30s trying to get paid.

Not that the Canucks are alone taking on these kind of deals. Zuccarello in Minnesota is equally pointless in my opinion. Much better player, but also older. Myers at least, in theory, could play at his highest level throughout the contract. And the Canucks, in theory, should be on some sort of upswing come the next couple of years (not enough to win I fear, but kind of impossible not to improve somewhat when you keep on drafting high).

What if management thinks the team is on the upswing needing to revamp the defense and add another top 6 forward to compete? What if the mandate from ownership is to make the playoffs?

Tanev is in the last year of his contract and the chances are that he's on his way out. The Canucks have actually tried to add a RHD for a while whether it was Larsen, Gudbranson or Demers. They have seemingly passed on the LHD that were available last season. I'm in no way saying that Myers can replace Tanev but if Tanev is gone the right side leaves Stecher, Tryamkin (if he is back and playing the right side), Woo and Biega/Rafferty types. Short of an Ehrhoff type trade or Woo stepping right into the NHL, there's not much forseeable help and the Canucks drafted 0 Dmen in this past year's draft.

 

[mossey3535]

Also this is terrible timing. WHy settle for someone who is not Gardiner in this UFA d-man class? Next year looks a lot more juicy and you'd be delusional to think we could be cup contenders this season. Next year has guys like Pietrangelo or Barrie.

Yes Benning could be a lame duck GM, but there's just a general lack of both strategy and tactics in his moves.

 

[Addison Rae]

This is great contract... maybe ends up a steal with how the cap is rising

Myers is going to average 22 a night while putting up 45Pts... his game suffered behind the JEts depth but when Buff and Morrissey were out injured, he was outstanding with more responsibility

No, his game benefited drastically by playing behind Byfuglien and Trouba. He played in some of the softest deployment on the team and did good in those minutes. Whenever Myers has been tasked with being a strength on strength player he's done poorly.

 

[Havre]

What if management thinks the team is on the upswing needing to revamp the defense and add another top 6 forward to compete? What if the mandate from ownership is to make the playoffs?

Tanev is in the last year of his contract and the chances are that he's on his way out. The Canucks have actually tried to add a RHD for a while whether it was Larsen, Gudbranson or Demers. They have seemingly passed on the LHD that were available last season. I'm in no way saying that Myers can replace Tanev but if Tanev is gone the right side leaves Stecher, Tryamkin (if he is back and playing the right side), Woo and Biega/Rafferty types. Short of an Ehrhoff type trade or Woo stepping right into the NHL, there's not much forseeable help and the Canucks drafted 0 Dmen in this past year's draft.

Sure, but how does that make the decision any better? What if management thought Gudbranson was good? Then it makes the decision a good one? Strange way of looking at things.

I don't know who is to blame. I didn't specify that in my post. Maybe it is the owners that are pushing for these kind of silly UFA contracts? Could be. Doesn't change my point.

A lot of teams will be very short on the right side D if you assume you are just going to lose your players. You got to wonder why that would realistically happen to the Canucks............

 

[Blueangel1891]

It's not that bad actually. Decent stopgap till Woo is ready and the contract could have been much worse. It's probably a year too long and a million too high, but that's free agency

Edler Tanev
Hughes Myers
XXX Stecher

Benn/Biega

 

[clunk]

It's not that bad actually. Decent stopgap till Woo is ready and the contract could have been much worse. It's probably a year too long and a million too high, but that's free agency

Edler Tanev
Hughes Myers
XXX Stecher

Benn/Biega

If Woo takes 5 years to make the NHL he's not going to be a top 4 D

 

[kcunac]

Do we know if there is a NMC? I can imagine there is a NTC but can we expose him in the expansion draft?

 

[Sens]

No, his game benefited drastically by playing behind Byfuglien and Trouba. He played in some of the softest deployment on the team and did good in those minutes. Whenever Myers has been tasked with being a strength on strength player he's done poorly.

In the 34GP he played 20+ minutes 6G 13Pts +9

 

[Addison Rae]

I feel like it's the same people arguing the same things whenever the Canucks make a big move.

I know we have a reputation of being "negative" but just looking back at all these old threads where the Canucks made moves we're almost always on the right side of history.

A lot of us who watched Pittsburgh and had a basic understanding of analytics disliked the Sutter trade the second it happened, we argued for months with the same people about the same things and we turned out to be completely right. Then it was the Gudbranson trade, many of us who understood basic analytics and watched him play in Florida hated the deal the second it happened. Fast forward a month later and the team signed Loui Eriksson to a 6 X 6 contract, they usual "negative" posters littered that thread saying it was a terrible deal that will be bought out before it was over, the thread read very similarly to this one where many (who are defending this signing) claimed it was a win for the Canucks. Eriksson was prompted up by Bergeron and Marchand and conned the Canucks into signing that deal.

 

[sting101]

Yeah, totally, man. Why pay Gaunce $750k to do a job Beagle can do for $3 million?

In the AHL?
FYI Gaunce played LW and Beagles a C.

 

[Addison Rae]

In the 34GP he played 20+ minutes 6G 13Pts +9

There's a massive sample size of 29 year old Tyler Myers being tasked as a strength on strength player and doing poorly in those minutes.

A 34 game sample size where he had poor shot differentials is nowhere near a large enough sample size to conclude he's a good strength on strength player. Erik Gudbranson had a stretch last year where he played very good hockey and his hockeyDB stats looked fantastic.

The fact the Canucks just signed a defender that played 20 minutes less than 50% of the time to a 6 million dollar contract is pretty alarming.

 

[Grub]

I voted good deal. Finally get to see a real top 4 D-men play in our line up. We haven't seen one since Benning decided to let Hamhuis walk for nothing. Screw the Strechers the freaking Huttons, the little Alex Biega's the Michael Del Zotto's, the Poulliot's the Yannick Webbers and the Erik Gudbradssons.

Finally get a real top 4 D-men to come and play for us after so long...

 

[Addison Rae]

I voted good deal. Finally get to see a real top 4 D-men play in our line up. We haven't seen one since Benning decided to let Hamhuis walk for nothing. Screw the Strechers the freaking Huttons, the little Alex Biega's the Michael Del Zotto's, the Poulliot's the Yannick Webbers and the Erik Gudbradssons.

Finally get a real top 4 D-men to come and play for us after so long...

A real top 4 d-man, that's never actually been good in top 4 minutes.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Come on.. be real for a moment. Look at what you posted here previously and then look at what happened with the Canucks that year.

You are extremely biased and it is preventing you from seeing what is true.

I don’t follow. ???

Are you referring to last season?

I made it clear last year that I saw the Canucks having a season similar to that of their 2007-2008 campaign (ie pushing for a playoff spot but ultimately falling short). I was about 7 points off.

In fact, my prediction for the last few years has been as follows:

2017-2018: miss playoffs
2018-2019: miss playoffs but itching closer
2019-2020: make the playoffs but get toasted in the first round.
2020-2021: a return to elite status. 2nd round caliber team.

Looking back on this, I will admit that I’m about a year off if I’m being optimistic (atleast imo), but the Canucks have definitely made some significant progress whether the Gillis fanboys want to admit this or not.