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[Goatlender]

A thousand percent...twice, which makes it TWO thousand percent.

Or if you multiply, it’s a million.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I want to see a Pettersson trade so bad

 

[Fatass]

I want to see a Pettersson trade so bad

We have three. Marcus, I’d like to see moved. Petey, I think we need for now. And D-Petey is going to be a big hitter.

 

[Mike Pecarino]

I worry that RJ and the Sedins will lack the poker skills and jam to make deals with the sharks out there. This may force them to be very conservative in their approach, almost apprehensive. I could see the sharks playing them, abusing them during negotiations. I like the new regime but I’m not trusting their street smarts and balls to be bold. Boldness is required during a full on rebuild.

They could use a cagey deal maker in the background as a mentor to them, like the Cancer Man from the X-Files

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I want to see a Pettersson trade so bad

Can't wait for a Pettersson to be traded and Dhaliwal screwing up which one it is.

 

[timw33]

I agree with Cam Robinson.

should trade Hronek now while he is at his peak to max his value and to really show the team is serious about the rebuild

If we did go down that path I think we would want to explore taking on a Nurse type contract (while being compensated fairly to do so) and use him as a sin eater for the next few years. Would be too tough going into next year with 4 1st/2nd year players and Marcus Pettersson as the base of the D core otherwise.

 

[theguardianII]

I want to see a Pettersson trade so bad

Kotkanemi? He is done in Carolina.

I worry that RJ and the Sedins will lack the poker skills and jam to make deals with the sharks out there. This may force them to be very conservative in their approach, almost apprehensive. I could see the sharks playing them, abusing them during negotiations. I like the new regime but I’m not trusting their street smarts and balls to be bold. Boldness is required during a full on rebuild.

They could use a cagey deal maker in the background as a mentor to them, like the Cancer Man from the X-Files

Well Andersson kind of shit the bed in the playoffs so his value might have been reduced a bit so that might make Hronek's value increase quite a bit.
It was already higher just in the contract.

Absolutely the "Rookies" will not want to look "soft" in any trades so none will happen and the local entertainment shows will praise them for being "strong".

For the 3rd time in the last 20 years there is a rookie management group and only one so far has had the balls to make a trade. I am not talking about the guy that has his hands all over this year's Stanley Cup, Rutherford again. He identified Brind'Amour as being a coach AND then the GM. It doesn't hurt that the owner of that team has his hands all over every aspect of that team, he micro manages and is involved all the time. OH! Right, that is bad.

San Jose would take two steps forward IF they drafted a stud dman AND traded for Hronek. Misa is the guy the Canucks target. They might let him go because he wasn't' a full time player and they have 5 other young guns. If they could do that then drafting either Stenberg or McKenna is a giant leap forward in a rebuild.

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks, this management group will make the safe play, I am seeing a draft prospect that stopped playing weeks ago rising in the rankings because of social media. This draft will be all about trying to connect with the community, unfortunately they are listening to entertainment shows. They love the father/son connection.

IMO if they are so sold on Caleb then make a deal with the Islanders or Rangers for their pick. Both of those teams HAVE to make an impact NOW, in truth all teams have to as well but those two are loaded with really big ticket veteran players that aren't getting faster. Chicago might have some skin in the game but they need to impress Bedard so they might need help in getting Robertson out of Dallas.

This is supposed to be a rebuild so how the team ends up in the standings is a moot point next year what is important now is getting as many players within a 3/4 year age group. There will always be fringe players that they can sign and some older vets that would be content to mentor a young team. Myers, Schenn maybe even Tanev. IMO they all might be available and might not mind finishing out their careers with a slightly different end goal.

As you can see I don't have any confidence that this new group know how to deal with all the other teams. Rutherford did say he would "consult" in trades and before stepping back he had stated he would stick around until after the draft so hopefully his absence is more satisfying the local entertainment shows assassination attacks.

As rookies AND being just starting this new group can make a mistake or two and not be scorched, this is the time to make the really big moves, big trades and as long as the Canucks get what they need the the cost should not be too much of a worry. That could be seen as an investment.

 

[theguardianII]

If we did go down that path I think we would want to explore taking on a Nurse type contract (while being compensated fairly to do so) and use him as a sin eater for the next few years. Would be too tough going into next year with 4 1st/2nd year players and Marcus Pettersson as the base of the D core otherwise.

Trade for Myers and sign Schenn, maybe look into Tanev all good room guys and mentors.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

If we did go down that path I think we would want to explore taking on a Nurse type contract (while being compensated fairly to do so) and use him as a sin eater for the next few years. Would be too tough going into next year with 4 1st/2nd year players and Marcus Pettersson as the base of the D core otherwise.

You don't need to take on a Nurse-type anchor to do that. Go get a Lyubushkin or Kesselring or Mayfield.

 

[I am toxic]

They are all dead. Best I can find instead is Mr. Krabs.

 

[theguardianII]

Wet dream;

Trade Hronek to SJ and get back Misa, young center
Draft Stenberg or McKenna, one of them should be available, they have a history of success not just 18 weeks.
Trade for Michkov, He was benched a bit by Tocchet and sat out the elimination game, O'Connor is a Tocchet guy, others?
Make a deal with the Rangers either Debrusk or Boeser for their pick, might need retention and a sweetener
See what the Islanders might be interested in
Try to get involved with a possible Dallas, Chicago trade for Robertson
Pursue Schenn and try to get Myers to come back, maybe see about Tanev, TO might add a sweetener to move him.
Re-sign Blueger
Sit on EP40 for awhile and see if his game improves, if not trades don't stop until the TDL.

Players to make available, O'Connor, Boeser, DeBrusk, Hronek players with less value or a question, MPettersson, Hoglander Karlsson, Sasson, less desirable to trade but .... Willander, Mancini, Lekkerimaki, Ohgren.
Then there is Chytl and Demko, both will have an over/under of 20 games IMO.

The idea is to make all the pain now or no more than the next 2 years. The team will have 30+million in cap space and possibly more high skilled young players than SJ, Utah, Buffalo, Montreal even if only 60% of the drafted player make it but most 1rst and 2nd rnd player do make it, top ten pick usually al lplay in the NHL at some capacity.

Could be in my wet dream; added

Stenberg/McKenna - Misa - Michkov - Cootes -

 

[Nick Lang]

His value can definitely change, did any of us think peteys value would change the winter we signed him, what about jt Miller the summer we signed him? No, and that's why you trade someone when they have value, we don't know what is going to happen.

This is the thing so many people glaze over, and then there is this rehabbing value silliness. Hronek's value is sky high right now. I wonder, what one or two more years carrying this team does to his value. He could re-injure his shoulder or any other injury trying to hard, not to mention wear and tear. In addition, that asset doesn't do us too much good in the near-term if it's 5-7 years from even playing in the NHL.

Plus, I'm more worried that once we enter this rebuild season he's not going to be in a continuation role of last season which started with Hughes on his line and playing with top options. Will it be harder to obtain the same point totals on a complete rebuild season with different personal, new coach, new system? Quite possibly. I believe it may be quite the load of new responsibilities which could crater his numbers. Could also get completely shelled and exposed defensively lowering his value.

He has value now and we're rebuilding but I'm not expecting we'll move him now. Probably get a late first in 2 or 3 years, which I'll begrudgingly accept as I can at least understand the logic, even if I don't agree.

You don't need to take on a Nurse-type anchor to do that. Go get a Lyubushkin or Kesselring or Mayfield.

Exactly, there are a large number of options that can play a similar role in the NHL.

I'm genuinely not sure the Kings have anywhere near the pieces they could add to useless Cody Ceci to come anywhere close to being worth trading Pettersson. No doubt they'd be interested in him because they're medium-to-severe desperate for a Center to replace Kopitar. But i don't see any reason whatsoever to just gift them one.

17th pick in a bum ass draft, a bunch of later darts in the dark picks, a big cap dump like Ceci? That's absolutely pathetic.

Even at his worst and most mopey, Petey is still a solid but overpaid 2-way 2C in a league absolutely starved for guys like that. That alone is worth far more than that sort of garbage package. The cap aspect is more than halfway irrelevant given the number of teams with Scrooge McDuck millions to throw at literally any one of the approximately six worthwhile UFAs this year.

I like Laferiere a lot if they could get him in return. The 17th plus some seconds, or I don't know if they had a next year first would be the basis of a decent quantity package perhaps. I'm not sure if Petterson will ever be worth much more.

 

[aregora]

@Nick Lang I agree with trading Hronek while his value is at its height. Too much risk with injuries or a new coach affecting his value. Capture that value now.

I just don't see him willing to waive and I'm not expecting this new management team to take a Vegas-style cutthroat approach to force it to happen by hook or crook.

 

[Lindgren]

@Nick Lang I agree with trading Hronek while his value is at its height. Too much risk with injuries or a new coach affecting his value. Capture that value now.

I just don't see him willing to waive and I'm not expecting this new management team to take a Vegas-style cutthroat approach to force it to happen by hook or crook.

I can easily imagine a move at the trade deadline. Hronek and his agent will understand that a move is close to inevitable as soon as his NMC reduces to a fifteen-team list in a bit more than a year at that point. He could well be ready to move on in any case after a year of losing.

An injury is a risk of course, but barring that, I imagine his value will still be very high.

 

[Vector]

He suggests Jake DeBrusk as a trade target and even suggests trading the 14th overall for him.

DeBrusk has a no-move clause through next season, so he’s not going to land this summer in a place he doesn’t want to be. But given the way things are going in Vancouver, he may be amenable to places he wouldn’t have considered previously. The Canucks own two first-round picks — Nos. 3 and 24 — but given their rebuilding plans, the No. 14 could make sense.

 

[Goatlender]

He suggests Jake DeBrusk as a trade target and even suggests trading the 14th overall for him.

Maybe 24th overall + DeBrusk for 14th overall. I’d be greedy and want 33rd overall + DeBrusk for 14th, but that would be a bad trade for Columbus.

 

[wonton15]

Maybe 24th overall + DeBrusk for 14th overall. I’d be greedy and want 33rd overall + DeBrusk for 14th, but that would be a bad trade for Columbus.

I’d spitshine Ryan Johnson’s heads if he extracts the 14th for DeBrusk+.

 

[Agent007]

He suggests Jake DeBrusk as a trade target and even suggests trading the 14th overall for him.

DeBrusk has a no-move clause through next season, so he’s not going to land this summer in a place he doesn’t want to be. But given the way things are going in Vancouver, he may be amenable to places he wouldn’t have considered previously. The Canucks own two first-round picks — Nos. 3 and 24 — but given their rebuilding plans, the No. 14 could make sense.

considering they didn't trade a 1st for Garland can't see them moving pick 14 for Debrusk but perhaps if we added pick 24 or pick 33 it would make sense (assuming Debrusk waives).

 

[Vector]

Maybe 24th overall + DeBrusk for 14th overall. I’d be greedy and want 33rd overall + DeBrusk for 14th, but that would be a bad trade for Columbus.

They also traded a 2nd & 3rd for Garland and his contract is immediately underwater. I could see something like you suggested happening.

 

[theagelessstranger]

Maybe 24th overall + DeBrusk for 14th overall. I’d be greedy and want 33rd overall + DeBrusk for 14th, but that would be a bad trade for Columbus.

if the most public person in the cbj-osphere thinks it might be a good idea to flip 14 for debrusk straight up, we shouldn't be trying to talk them out of it. let's let the idea mature, incubate, and maybe it'll grow into a hilarious trade.

 

[Canucks LB]

Maybe 24th overall + DeBrusk for 14th overall. I’d be greedy and want 33rd overall + DeBrusk for 14th, but that would be a bad trade for Columbus.

I would do it

 

[MS]

I would do it

It would be an absolute no-brainer with a value-equivalency of getting a very high 2nd for Debrusk.

 

[Mike Pecarino]

I’d spitshine Ryan Johnson’s heads if he extracts the 14th for DeBrusk+.

Hawk Tuah?

 

[Agent007]

Moving up to 14 also puts us in the position to get one of the next tier C's which would be great. Definitely agree 24+Debrusk for 14 anything better than that is gravy.

 

[Mike Pecarino]

Kotkanemi? He is done in Carolina.

Well Andersson kind of shit the bed in the playoffs so his value might have been reduced a bit so that might make Hronek's value increase quite a bit.
It was already higher just in the contract.

Absolutely the "Rookies" will not want to look "soft" in any trades so none will happen and the local entertainment shows will praise them for being "strong".

For the 3rd time in the last 20 years there is a rookie management group and only one so far has had the balls to make a trade. I am not talking about the guy that has his hands all over this year's Stanley Cup, Rutherford again. He identified Brind'Amour as being a coach AND then the GM. It doesn't hurt that the owner of that team has his hands all over every aspect of that team, he micro manages and is involved all the time. OH! Right, that is bad.

San Jose would take two steps forward IF they drafted a stud dman AND traded for Hronek. Misa is the guy the Canucks target. They might let him go because he wasn't' a full time player and they have 5 other young guns. If they could do that then drafting either Stenberg or McKenna is a giant leap forward in a rebuild.

It doesn't matter what anybody thinks, this management group will make the safe play, I am seeing a draft prospect that stopped playing weeks ago rising in the rankings because of social media. This draft will be all about trying to connect with the community, unfortunately they are listening to entertainment shows. They love the father/son connection.

IMO if they are so sold on Caleb then make a deal with the Islanders or Rangers for their pick. Both of those teams HAVE to make an impact NOW, in truth all teams have to as well but those two are loaded with really big ticket veteran players that aren't getting faster. Chicago might have some skin in the game but they need to impress Bedard so they might need help in getting Robertson out of Dallas.

This is supposed to be a rebuild so how the team ends up in the standings is a moot point next year what is important now is getting as many players within a 3/4 year age group. There will always be fringe players that they can sign and some older vets that would be content to mentor a young team. Myers, Schenn maybe even Tanev. IMO they all might be available and might not mind finishing out their careers with a slightly different end goal.

As you can see I don't have any confidence that this new group know how to deal with all the other teams. Rutherford did say he would "consult" in trades and before stepping back he had stated he would stick around until after the draft so hopefully his absence is more satisfying the local entertainment shows assassination attacks.

As rookies AND being just starting this new group can make a mistake or two and not be scorched, this is the time to make the really big moves, big trades and as long as the Canucks get what they need the the cost should not be too much of a worry. That could be seen as an investment.

Yeah I’m worried about the lack of experience with this new management team at the NHL level when it comes to trades, signing and even drafting. Negotiating is something you get better at with experience and this group is as green as green can get. And for that I believe they are going to conduct business extremely conservatively due to being worried about making a mistake, better to be safe than sorry. So I just don’t expect any bold moves from them, at least not for a while. I fully expect Marcus and Elias Pettersson and Hronek to be in the lineup next fall, with probably just DeBrusk getting dealt for a meh level return. No need to hold on to your seats with the new management, it will be as excitement filled as watching paint dry.