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[Donuts]

East teams getting stronger
Florida, washington

other playoff teams gotts keep up.
debrusk and ep40 on sale this week. Canucks accept picks and prospects

 

[bossram]

My main question in this conversation, and I really don’t have the answer so I am just interested in other POV, but did these players not develop because they didn’t have the right players around to support them? Like we know it’s rare for a player to walk in and be a Hughes or or Celebrini…. So the majority of them will need help?

With Korchinski and Lev it's pretty clear they just rushed them to the NHL and overloaded them with responsibility they were not equipped to handle. They should not have been in the NHL at all.

They had some players to "insulate" them. Mostly not good themselves, but you didn't have to give them the minutes. They did anyway.

 

[Goatlender]

I haven’t followed Zary, but would he be a worthwhile age gapper for a 2nd? Probably the SJ 2nd in our case.


Edit - I am slow :’)

 

[pitseleh]

Sorry can someone explain something to me

Why do the leafs want to move Knies? Isnt he good?

If the argument is that they want to move him for D.. don’t they need scoring help and that also doesn’t address that they nearly traded him for a futures package three months ago..

Knies ran a 41% GF% / 43% CF%, which is basically Brock Boeser-esque. He played a ton with Matthews, who obviously had a down year, but his profile looks more like a good complementary player than someone who is driving play.

Maybe the Leafs see it that way and want to capitalize while his value is still through the roof.

That said, given they don’t have a first rounder for a few years, presumably they are trying to compete, and given the market it is hard to see how they improve if they trade him.

 

[iceburg]

I haven’t followed Zary, but would he be a worthwhile age gapper for a 2nd? Probably the SJ 2nd in our case.


Edit - I am slow :’)

Isn't this the opposite of what they're trying to do.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I haven’t followed Zary, but would he be a worthwhile age gapper for a 2nd? Probably the SJ 2nd in our case.


Edit - I am slow :’)

I think we'd be best to avoid a deal like this - it screams Sven Baertschi to me. And I was actually a Baertschi fan. But I think our more prudent course of action right now is to hold onto the picks to draft for the future patiently.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

You need a supporting cast, I agree. But my main point here is just that CHI didn't get enough elite talent. They got one franchise player and that's it - through various bad choices, Lev and Korchinski are just not cutting it (and Korchinski is just straight busting).

It's not that they don't have the supporting cast to come out of a rebuild. They haven't actually reaped the elite rewards of rebuilding. You're describing "when the elite players arrive". Other than Bedard, they haven't arrived. And Bedard isn't like Celebrini where he can singularly drag the team along.

It seems SJ is going Stenberg at #2. If that's the case, I have no issue with Malhotra at #3. But he needs to be, at least, a fringey 1C for the Canucks' rebuild to be successful. If he's a bottom-six guy, the supporting cast is not going to matter.

I think Frondell is one of those guys too. Levshunov was a chance at getting one and they missed no doubt. And outside the top 5 there's no guarantee you are getting one unless falls someone to you that shouldn't - re: Korchinski pick. (And your right he's definitely busting, I thought he was drafted too high aswell)

If you look at Anaheim their elite pieces are really Carlsson & Gauthier - and to a lesser extent Sennecke - but its not like they had 5 of them coming in at once. Dostal & LaCombe are obviously pillars aswell but those were guys drafted awhile before whom took time to get where they are at now like any non top pick would (and obviously given the position).

So I don't think its usual you get more than 2-3 of them that burst on to the scene in short order.

For Toronto was Matthews/Marner/Nylander, San Jose right now is pretty much just Celebrini though Stenberg & Misa could be that level next year aswell - I view Smith more as a support piece than an individual driver.

I like the idea of Malhotra where he goes to BU & you delay his arrival a bit, and even if the Canucks miss on Dupont but get someone like Sundstrom/Joseph (and they hold as potential elite 1C's), then you have the makings of a contending level C group.

We'll see how it goes. Who would you go with? Carels?

 

[valkynax]

I think we'd be best to avoid a deal like this - it screams Sven Baertschi to me. And I was actually a Baertschi fan. But I think our more prudent course of action right now is to hold onto the picks to draft for the future patiently.

Yeah it's a seller's market right now, price will be inflated.

But still our team isn't doing jackshit. Granted, there's no REAL urgency, sure. But if the season opens with the exact same roster, how will our current regime try to spin it?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I haven’t followed Zary, but would he be a worthwhile age gapper for a 2nd? Probably the SJ 2nd in our case.


Edit - I am slow :’)

I think we'd be best to avoid a deal like this - it screams Sven Baertschi to me. And I was actually a Baertschi fan. But I think our more prudent course of action right now is to hold onto the picks to draft for the future patiently.

Yeah I agree, I like Zary alot but it doesn't make a ton of sense to pay that outright.

The only way I could see it making sense is if they would be interested in a player like Hoglander/Chytil+ a smaller add than a 2nd.

Or maybe if we trade Pettersson then we'll need another C. In both cases we give Zary a shot and its likely a 'rebuild the value' then he's an asset for you down the line. Don't see it happening though.

 

[timw33]

Our offerings are looking better and better by the hour.

Zero goal scoring talent on the UFA market now. Only two true top-6 calibre centres on the market in Larkin/Trochek who will use trade protection to limit it to one of like 3-5 teams. There are 25ish other teams trying to improve who have not been in on the action.

 

[Goatlender]

I think we'd be best to avoid a deal like this - it screams Sven Baertschi to me. And I was actually a Baertschi fan. But I think our more prudent course of action right now is to hold onto the picks to draft for the future patiently.

I thought the logic might be that if we trade Pettersson, then we could play Zary as a 2C and Rossi as the 1C to shelter other players like Cootes. But it seems like Zary plays wing in Calgary, so probably not.

 

[timw33]

I think we'd be best to avoid a deal like this - it screams Sven Baertschi to me. And I was actually a Baertschi fan. But I think our more prudent course of action right now is to hold onto the picks to draft for the future patiently.

I would take a player like this as a lineup filler for the next couple of years, but not at that price. Feel we could find lineup filler for cheaper/contract dumps elsewhere.

 

[timw33]

I thought the logic might be that if we trade Pettersson, then we could play Zary as a 2C and Rossi as the 1C to shelter other players like Cootes. But it seems like Zary plays wing in Calgary, so probably not.

Zary is a centre in name only. He took less than 200 FO attempts and is a career 41.5%. We do not need guys like this unless they are dirt cheap.

 

[valkynax]

Our offerings are looking better and better by the hour.

Zero goal scoring talent on the UFA market now. Only two true top-6 calibre centres on the market in Larkin/Trochek who will use trade protection to limit it to one of like 3-5 teams. There are 25ish other teams trying to improve who have not been in on the action.

At some point, our regime needs to capitalize on the market, and show the fans SOMETHING.

 

[BOBBY9]

Wonder if we can swing something around:

EP for multiple picks, Niki and Kot

Zeev - Willy
MP29 - Hronek
DP25 - Niki

 

[Vector]

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Yeah it's a seller's market right now, price will be inflated.

But still our team isn't doing jackshit. Granted, there's no REAL urgency, sure. But if the season opens with the exact same roster, how will our current regime try to spin it?

I don't really have a huge problem with our team doing jack shit right now. The few pieces we have to sell are clearly secondary targets for most teams (or less). If they were primary targets, maybe we wouldn't have finished dead last this season.

I'd expect DeBrusk moves by the draft. Whether anything else happens or not, who knows. But as teams miss out on their targets/guys re-sign with teams, other teams might start circling back on the likes of Petey et al.

 

[Goatlender]

Wonder if we can swing something around:

EP for multiple picks, Niki and Kot

Zeev - Willy
MP29 - Hronek
DP25 - Niki

I would be shocked if Carolina makes that big of a change after winning the Cup. Committing $8+ mill in cap x 6 years to an underperforming player that has apparent work ethic issues would be a massive gamble that could shut their window down immediately.

 

[Peen]

At some point, our regime needs to capitalize on the market, and show the fans SOMETHING.

I would bet vector’s house on DeBrusk not being a canuck two weeks from now and us getting at least a 2nd.

I think I’d also bet on a lot of minor moves on the peripheral to clear some space if they can’t also get out of 40 and 6’s money, because they genuinely need roster spots.

Which is where I start wondering if they’ll accelerate moving DOC and Hoglander.

 

[timw33]

I don't really have a huge problem with our team doing jack shit right now. The few pieces we have to sell are clearly secondary targets for most teams (or less). If they were primary targets, maybe we wouldn't have finished dead last this season.

I'd expect DeBrusk moves by the draft. Whether anything else happens or not, who knows. But as teams miss out on their targets/guys re-sign with teams, other teams might start circling back on the likes of Petey et al.

The good news is that the market is moving and most of the primary targets (UFAs, big name trade pieces) are moving or being removed from the market (Thomas). There are simply too many teams needing to add for a strong secondary market not to form.

 

[valkynax]

I don't really have a huge problem with our team doing jack shit right now. The few pieces we have to sell are clearly secondary targets for most teams (or less). If they were primary targets, maybe we wouldn't have finished dead last this season.

I'd expect DeBrusk moves by the draft. Whether anything else happens or not, who knows. But as teams miss out on their targets/guys re-sign with teams, other teams might start circling back on the likes of Petey et al.

I guess this really shows how pathetic our roster really is. Feels very much like Dimbo's garage sale with only crickets and tumble weed as customers.

I would bet vector’s house on DeBrusk not being a canuck two weeks from now and us getting at least a 2nd.

I think I’d also bet on a lot of minor moves on the peripheral to clear some space if they can’t also get out of 40 and 6’s money, because they genuinely need roster spots.

Which is where I start wondering if they’ll accelerate moving DOC and Hoglander.

Joke's on you, Vector was born in a vault and now lives in Luck 38, Mr. House owns that place.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I would take a player like this as a lineup filler for the next couple of years, but not at that price. Feel we could find lineup filler for cheaper/contract dumps elsewhere.

I hear you on the price but I don't know about this. I looked at the UFA list for C's yesterday and its super bleak. Does Alex Kerfoot or a used Lars Eller interest you? Not ideal. Kotkaniemi could be an interesting reclamation swing I guess, maybe, idk.

Honestly the more I think about it.. I'm not wholly against trading for Zary, but it only makes sense if Pettersson is traded. Like if you get a 2nd back as part of the trade then maybe we deal the lower of that or 41 for Zary.

 

[BOBBY9]

I would be shocked if Carolina makes that big of a change after winning the Cup. Committing $8+ mill in cap x 6 years to an underperforming player that has apparent work ethic issues would be a massive gamble that could shut their window down immediately.

Be quiet bro what if Tulusky is reading the site

 

[thecupismine]

Yeah big fat no to Zary. This is the kind of thing people have age gap PTSD from.

I’m down to trade for early 20s players who look like they’re about to break out, but Zary is not it.

 

[Hodgy]

The good news is that the market is moving and most of the primary targets (UFAs, big name trade pieces) are moving or being removed from the market (Thomas). There are simply too many teams needing to add for a strong secondary market not to form.

The bad news is that this is the Canucks we are talking about who constantly fumble situations where they should obviously be selling!