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[Reverend Mayhem]

Sportsnet panel spoke about intriguing fits for JT Miller and Friedman mentioned Colorado and also mentioned he thinks he gets traded but added JT wants to go East but you never know how things can change when something is presented. Pierre Lebrun mentioned he thinks JT would waive for Dallas which would make me think Colorado is possible.

If there's a deal to be made with the Avs would have to imagine Calum Ritchie is the prize the Canucks would be after (would think Colorado would want to do Middlestat, a 1st/2nd and a lesser prospect)

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Give the kid credit, he had to do actual work to acquire his intel, whatever it is he has. Damn he's faster than I thought. And so is Colorado.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy as the Trade forum.

People seem to think they can just wish-cast their ideal trades, rather than actually discussing what both teams might go for. It's like they think lowballing in the forum will transfer to real life somehow

I will 1000% get banned if I ever step foot back in there proper. That's where I got most of my infractions.

What can you say? People are greedy and typically don't ever watch other teams if they don't have to. We are the same.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I’m very on board with Mittlestadt/Colton + Ritchie package. There is literally nothing else the Avs have.

Has to be both and a pick, atleast.
Miller on the avs is an absolute beast for two-four more years,and we'll have to face him amd MacKar many times every year... Has to be worthwhile.

Still rather have sabres combo.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Has to be both and a pick, atleast.
Miller on the avs is an absolute beast for two-four more years,and we'll have to face him amd MacKar many times every year... Has to be worthwhile.

Still rather have sabres combo.

Avs just hung up on you. I think the 'winning' offer is Mittelstadt and a conditional 1st.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Avs just hung up on you. I think the 'winning' offer is Mittelstadt and a conditional 1st.

no reason for van to do that trash though.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

no reason for van to do that trash though.

Exactly why the trade hasn't been made already. Aquilini knows that.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Exactly why the trade hasn't been made already. Aquilini knows that.

Idk what you're talking about tbh, you said thats the winning offer..

Avs, like several other teams, would be stupid not to add Miller for almost whatever it takes, and mitts ritchie and a pick is practically free.. its a no brainer, same with nyr and Schneider like three years ago.

 

[Agent007]

Based on what we know it sounds like the lowest the Canucks were willing to accept for JT was Chytil, 1st and a prospect. We don't know the quality of the prospect but one would assume it would be Othmann to Sykora range (basically B+ to B- for simplicity sake). One would have to imagine Mittelstadt and Chytil have similar values so if the Canucks were asking for Ritchie in the deal then I can't imagine the pick would be anything more than a 3rd? The Avs do have both the Carolina 2nd and the Rangers 2nd so would have to imagine at best you're looking at the Carolina 2nd?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

^ can think of that as more or less my own response. Thanks Agent.

 

[platotld]

Avs just hung up on you. I think the 'winning' offer is Mittelstadt and a conditional 1st.

troll

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

troll

No worries.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

BuckFoston charges that Vancouver has a scout at the Flyers Devils game

Not sure if its meaningful or not

It’s just Delorme.

He fell asleep in 2012 and no one has bothered to wake him up.

 

[Bleach Clean]

@Bleach Clean , bringing this post over.

I think there is a subtle, but important, distinction though. I think the LOA was punishment for Miller disregarding the coaching staff's direction (probably multiple times) by continually trying to coach or criticize Pettersson. In a microcosm, that type of "behaviour" from one player to another isn't out of the ordinary at all, and is probably generally seen as a good thing. But obviously with the degradation of Miller and Pettersson's relationship, and the fact that Miller's criticism has likely going too far, at least in terms of Pettersson's personality (see Richardson's comments), it has become a bad thing and was no longer tenable, hence the direction from coaching.

I don't think this is how it went, personally. I think he was barking orders at Pettersson on the penalty kill notwithstanding the fact that the coaching staff had repeatedly told him to shut up and worry about his own game. That's why he was benched, I think. The LOA was either added punishment, or was a new punishment for Miller blowing up at Tochett. If he in fact did blow up, then as I said in the past, I think it could have been because he thought he was treated unfairly by being publicly benched.

Again, I think that's just tangentially related. I think coaching was pissed because he was doing something he had been told multiple times not to do. And when I listen to Richardson's comments, I don't think he was actually saying that Miller was objectively being unreasonably hard on Pettersson, only that based on Pettersson's personality and demeanour, Miller was being too hard on him and that he needed to ease up. But I think Miller seems to be like this with other players as well. Whether it crosses a line or something, is anyone's guess.

I 100% agree that its why JR went public with this. It appears clear that management and coaching, and probably ownership too, view Miller and Pettersson as being the problems. And I think if it was just one of them that management and coaching viewed as being problematic then I don't think JR says what he said.

I thought it was his poor play first. Directing Pettersson may have been it, I can't remember. IIRC, he had a couple of shifts in the 3rd period. If Tocchet benched him to send a message, testing him out in the 3rd doesn't add up.

In any case, Pettersson was part of the reason for the benching, which led to the LOA. Maybe Miller had some choice words for Tocchet and Pettersson joined in? Tocchet/Management isolating Pettersson as a contributor only makes sense if he went on the offensive imo.

Richardson's comments specifically state that Miller was going after Pettersson repeatedly (in Pettersson's worst season before this one) and Pettersson is the type to shut it down in such a case. Whether fair or not, Richardson saw the negative effect looming that JT was unaware of.

 

[Bubbles]

Gilman on the Rutherford comments:

- This is exactly what Rutherford wants people to know, turned "perception into reality"
- 100% deliberate, chose Mason over iMac, Kuzma, Johnson "greasing the skids" for a trade that may not be well received.
- believes it was a final call out to the players




Damn I miss this guy, he's so smart and calculated with his comments. Wish he was the GM now.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Gilman on the Rutherford comments:

- This is exactly what Rutherford wants people to know, turned "perception into reality"
- 100% deliberate, chose Mason over iMac, Kuzma, Johnson "greasing the skids" for a trade that may not be well received.
- believes it was a final call out to the players




Damn I miss this guy, he's so smart and calculated with his comments. Wish he was the GM now.

If mgmt makes a shit trade, will they take any responsibility?

Doubt it.

 

[pitseleh]

Avs just hung up on you. I think the 'winning' offer is Mittelstadt and a conditional 1st.

I assume the Canucks then complete the circle and send Mittelstadt back to Buffalo for Byram. Like trading a paper clip for a house.

 

[thecupismine]

haha the player you started your post with is literally an example of that. We got Z for almost nothing because we could take his full cap hit.

Fair enough, you're right. I guess I was referring to it for players higher up in the lineup - like the Canucks are having a hard time getting value for a 1C.

 

[arttk]

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We are south park

 

[Nuckles]

Gilman on the Rutherford comments:

- This is exactly what Rutherford wants people to know, turned "perception into reality"
- 100% deliberate, chose Mason over iMac, Kuzma, Johnson "greasing the skids" for a trade that may not be well received.
- believes it was a final call out to the players

Damn I miss this guy, he's so smart and calculated with his comments. Wish he was the GM now.

He also mentioned something I talked about: it's very difficult to get a replacement 1st or 2nd line center with picks/prospects.

 

[Bubbles]

He also mentioned something I talked about: it's very difficult to get a replacement 1st or 2nd line center with picks/prospects.

Yeah he mentioned that centres should get centres back, and defense should get defense back.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Damn I miss this guy, he's so smart and calculated with his comments. Wish he was the GM now.

Should tell that to the 10,000 or so idiots that went to arena in April 2014.

That's the reason he's not our GM.

 

[Nuckles]

Kings coach Jim Hiller on scratching Brandt Clarke tonight: “Tough league for a young guy. He’s done great to this point. This league will wear you down as a young player - gives (him) a reset. We’ll see where it goes from here.” - Pagnotta

 

[xtr3m]

Gary Mason: Rutherford told me that he warned Pettersson around the time he signed his US$93-million, 8 year contract extension that it would only make things harder for him. Rutherford said he told Pettersson he would have to be more prepared, both mentally and physically, as a result. But he didn’t get to that level coming right out of his contract and into training camp but now he understands that"

 

[Jerry the great]

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Gary Mason: Rutherford told me that he warned Pettersson around the time he signed his US$93-million, 8 year contract extension that it would only make things harder for him. Rutherford said he told Pettersson he would have to be more prepared, both mentally and physically, as a result. But he didn’t get to that level coming right out of his contract and into training camp but now he understands that"

I guess he forgot that you're supposed to show up already in playing shape. it was only his seventh camp, so it was probably just an oversight.

The optics here are f***ing putrid. You sign a contract like that, no show in the playoffs and then come to camp looking like you've been partying with Frank Gallagher all summer. Slow, scrawny and literally yellow.
Absolutely pathetic.

 

[arttk]

I guess he forgot that you're supposed to show up already in playing shape. it was only his seventh camp, so it was probably just an oversight.

The optics here are f***ing putrid. You sign a contract like that, no show in the playoffs and then come to camp looking like you've been partying with Frank Gallagher all summer. Slow, scrawny and literally yellow.
Absolutely pathetic.

I wonder why he didn’t show up to camp in shape for the 1st time in years.

 

[Jerry the great]

I wonder why he didn’t show up to camp in shape for the 1st time in years.

If you want to continue to lean on that crutch, have at it.