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It’s funny because Power / Byfield feel like very similar players, and Clarke / Cozens the same, just playing opposite positions.

I agree you’re probably not getting either Byfield or Power but between the two I’d lean to the LA package because you avoid the risk with Cozens’ contract.
It sounds like Power is potentially available (at least he'd be far more likely to be included in a deal than Byfield). Funny enough if that LA package was even potentially available it would make a lot more sense for us to do it because we've got a 1D but we wouldn't have a 1C (which Byfield could be) if we traded Petey and Miller.
 
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It sounds like Power is potentially available (at least he'd be far more likely to be included in a deal than Byfield). Funny enough if that LA package was even potentially available it would make a lot more sense for us to do it because we've got a 1D but we wouldn't have a 1C (which Byfield could be) if we traded Petey and Miller.
Yeah, if you can get Byfield for either guy I think you’d have to do it. He’s already a great two way player and with his tools you have to think eventually the offence will come too.
 
Just because we were talking about the rarity of 1C for 1C trades in the last thread, and both @MarkusNaslund19 and I brought up the 1991-92 BUF-NYI blockbuster, it's worth mentioning another time it did happen, the year before:

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Cullen wouldn't have been the Penguins' 1C if Lemieux were healthy, but he was the top-scoring center on that team and topped 100 points. Teenage me thought the Whalers were the clear winners in this trade (I always liked Zalapski for his name alone and wrongly thought Francis was way older than Cullen), and it turned out to be the opposite.
 
Honestly it feels so bad to be a joke of a team again, and not even talking about the on ice product.

Absolutely depressing man. To navigate this and fix it is almost seemingly impossible within the next few years before Hughes next contract
 
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Honestly it feels so bad to be a joke of a team again, and not even talking about the on ice product.

Absolutely depressing man. To navigate this and fix it is almost seemingly impossible within the next few years before Hughes next contract

Rock bottom is when opposing team's fans start coming on our boards "in peace" and then tell us how they either feel sorry for us, or empathize with our plight. That f***ing sucks, man :biglaugh:

I've noticed a few posts over the last few weeks that were precisely that ☝️and it felt terrible.

I miss when we were the PDO Kings/jokes of the league/etc etc and hated.
 
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Rock bottom is when opposing team's fans start coming on our boards "in peace" and then tell us how they either feel sorry for us, or empathize with our plight. That f***ing sucks, man :biglaugh:

I've noticed a few posts over the last few weeks that were precisely that ☝️and it felt terrible.

I miss when were the PDO Kings/jokes of the league/etc etc and hated.
Mostly just troll oilers fans lmao
 
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Miller in the last few interviews and clips seemed to have loosened up.
It's probably because of the winning honestly, but also, everything is out in the open now, he can just play.

Also, he has been much better recently
 
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I'm sick of hearing about Miller vs Pettersson off ice issues. I really could care less about either in that regard. Both are about as mature as 16yr old high schoolers by the sounds of it towards each other. And that's really offensive to most 16yr olds.

What i do care about is one ice performance and how much that relates to cap hit. Both are looking like shit investments this year.

As far as JR it's obvious what he's doing. Put the onus on the 2 for when they are forced to make a move. Makes it much less dysfunctional going forward when you asked you begged and tried and the 2 prima donnas making 56-92 million couldn't make 7-8 months of their year working together tenable for everyone else in the organization.

You literally have 22 other teammates plus staff plus trainers to interact with and it's for 7 months and when your done your games or practice have no obligation to hang out with certain people yet people are drawing comparisons to co workers they have 8hrs a day and 40hrs a week all year long.

Crisis is the time for opportunity. If teams think this is their big opportunity to get a star C let them throw the offers at ya. If something comes along that makes the team and contract situation better do it. Neither are worthy of some kind of loyalty program (How much did Rantanen get) In fact all this makes it easier to move off them.

Both Miller and Pettersson seem like good guys to me......just wired completely opposite. Things about both i don't like but i really dont care that much because when i pay 500$ for 2 tickets or 20k for season's whether either has just led us to a winning game month or year is what matters.

So just play your role well lead us to wins and earn you fuxxing contracts. If that's what they were doing on all this noise goes away.

Save us all the excuses. This fan doesn't care
 
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Where did I say Hansen was qualified in mental health?

He said in his experience the kind of bullying that some people are suggesting is occuring would not have taken place or someone would have put a stop to it.

Maybe he's "naive" because it's just never happened in the rooms he's been in but given his actual long, firsthand and relatively recent experience in the NHL, I give his opinion credence over someone on a message board comparing this situation to the actual rape that occured with Blackhawks or Team Canada which to me is a little over the line.

"You need to be better."
 
Rock bottom is when opposing team's fans start coming on our boards "in peace" and then tell us how they either feel sorry for us, or empathize with our plight. That f***ing sucks, man :biglaugh:

I've noticed a few posts over the last few weeks that were precisely that ☝️and it felt terrible.

I miss when were the PDO Kings/jokes of the league/etc etc and hated.
We went from taking the big bad Oilers to game 7 with Silovs to this...
 
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It’s funny because Power / Byfield feel like very similar players, and Clarke / Cozens the same, just playing opposite positions.

I agree you’re probably not getting either Byfield or Power but between the two I’d lean to the LA package because you avoid the risk with Cozens’ contract.
That's my thought too, on the Cozens contract. But Clarke also just has more risk in busting and being a much more limited player than the other three.

I don't think Clarke is really a great fit for the Canucks, but with that said, if you can get him back for Miller then you probably have to make that deal as I can't see us getting back a more valuable young player. I also very much doubt that LA would even consider trading Clarke for Miller at this point.
 
While all this is going on Quinn Hughes the captain and very player who should be getting worn down and adversely affected more than anyone else beyond the 2 has been able to filter it out and put forth the best ever season by a Vancouver Canuck.

EVER!

Yet i haven't heard him make one excuse (just be honest about it) and then shows up and entertains and amazes time and time again.

Same can be said about Garland

The middle roster players have been fantastic and buoyed this team to start. Suter Sherwood Blueger Lankinen.

Boeser and Debrusk have been directly effected on ice but have largely played through it to what you would reasonably expect from those 2.

EP40 and Miller might not get to 20 goals without an uptick in production....let that sink in.

Less that 40 goals from 20 million on PP1 and put in situations to score with Quinn Hughes on the ice.

Gino Odjick scored 16 with Bure FFS.

Any reasonable offer should be considered and that's without bringing forth the attitude issues
 
That's my thought too, on the Cozens contract. But Clarke also just has more risk in busting and being a much more limited player than the other three.

I don't think Clarke is really a great fit for the Canucks, but with that said, if you can get him back for Miller then you probably have to make that deal as I can't see us getting back a more valuable young player. I also very much doubt that LA would even consider trading Clarke for Miller at this point.
They have no cap space to bring in Miller, so it would have to involve roughly equal money going in each direction. something like Fiala (who'd need to waive his NMC) + Clarke or Moore+ Jeannot+ Clarke

That said, I don't think these two teams are great trading partners for something big, and Clarke is not a good fit here, but if LA has a logjam on the backend, I would definitely be inquiring about Jordan Spence, who would be a great fit and an easier piece for LA to move on from (despite being the better defender at this point).
 
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@Bleach Clean , bringing this post over.

The LOA was likely a punishment for Miller's treatment of Pettersson that came to a head against NSH.
I think there is a subtle, but important, distinction though. I think the LOA was punishment for Miller disregarding the coaching staff's direction (probably multiple times) by continually trying to coach or criticize Pettersson. In a microcosm, that type of "behaviour" from one player to another isn't out of the ordinary at all, and is probably generally seen as a good thing. But obviously with the degradation of Miller and Pettersson's relationship, and the fact that Miller's criticism has likely going too far, at least in terms of Pettersson's personality (see Richardson's comments), it has become a bad thing and was no longer tenable, hence the direction from coaching.

He was playing poorly, Tocchet lets him sit for a shift, then he says something about mistreatment relative to Pettersson, and then is kept off for the 3rd period. After which, he goes back into the room and blows up at Tocchet and calls out Pettersson, which results in being sent home.

I don't think this is how it went, personally. I think he was barking orders at Pettersson on the penalty kill notwithstanding the fact that the coaching staff had repeatedly told him to shut up and worry about his own game. That's why he was benched, I think. The LOA was either added punishment, or was a new punishment for Miller blowing up at Tochett. If he in fact did blow up, then as I said in the past, I think it could have been because he thought he was treated unfairly by being publicly benched.
It is a response to his treatment of Pettersson, but it comes via the enforcement of a boundary by the coach.
Again, I think that's just tangentially related. I think coaching was pissed because he was doing something he had been told multiple times not to do. And when I listen to Richardson's comments, I don't think he was actually saying that Miller was objectively being unreasonably hard on Pettersson, only that based on Pettersson's personality and demeanour, Miller was being too hard on him and that he needed to ease up. But I think Miller seems to be like this with other players as well. Whether it crosses a line or something, is anyone's guess.

This is why the managers/coach have kept the rift in the media. They don't feel responsible. Further, when Tocchet criticized Miller against LA, Miller chose to get up and sit at the end of the bench away from his team (look familiar?). He was then played by Tocchet despite the exchange. We could infer that it's because Pettersson is not involved here. It's just Miller perceiving a relative mistreatment given how Tocchet has treated Pettersson.
I 100% agree that its why JR went public with this. It appears clear that management and coaching, and probably ownership too, view Miller and Pettersson as being the problems. And I think if it was just one of them that management and coaching viewed as being problematic then I don't think JR says what he said.
 
I'm sick of hearing about Miller vs Pettersson off ice issues. I really could care less about either in that regard. Both are about as mature as 16yr old high schoolers by the sounds of it towards each other. And that's really offensive to most 16yr olds.
Most professional hockey players begin focusing on hockey over school by the time they are 16. They learn their social dynamics in a locker room, not like regular teenagers at school.
 
They have no cap space to bring in Miller, so it would have to involve roughly equal money going in each direction. something like Fiala (who'd need to waive his NMC) + Clarke or Moore+ Jeannot+ Clarke

That said, I don't think these two teams are great trading partners for something big, and Clarke is not a good fit here, but if LA has a logjam on the backend, I would definitely be inquiring about Jordan Spence, who would be a great fit and an easier piece for LA to move on from (despite being the better defender at this point).
The whole idea of LA selling their good/promising players doesn't really make sense given that they are a playoff team and those good/promising players are contributing to that.

But I agree that they may be forced to trade one or two of their defensemen as some of their young defensemen reach waiver eligibility status.
 

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