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deadhead said:
Rutherford would ask for Michkov, Flyers would probably have to offer Frost, Farabee, (2) 1st rd picks or something like that.
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I would consider Frost and Farabee, but not two 1sts in addition. One for sure. And a B prospect if needed (which is basically all we have anyway).

If this is the direction the Flyers have chosen (to not tank, but rebuild through a few aggressive trades), this is one of the rare opportunities to achieve that.

If we hadn't re-signed TK, he could have been used in a trade for, say, Necas.

There's a lot of discordant things happening with this organization.
 
Guys Briere is on it ....
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The "Culture" thing is greatly exaggerated.

I don't listen to Jones, his primary job is salesmen for the franchise, he's going to put an optimistic spin on everything. He's trying to put butts in seats.

I do expect them to make the playoffs in 2026-27, but fall short of being a top 8 (legitimate SC contender).
It's not unreasonable to expect them to be a SC contender starting in 2027-28.

I think Briere will make two major trades by then, one garnering a top 6 center, the second???
Farabee, Frost high probability of trade bait.
centers: ???, Jett (21), Cates (28), ???
RW: TK (30), Michkov (22), Brink (26)
LW: Foerster (26), Tippett (28), Couts (35)
depth: Farabee (27), Frost (28), Barkey (22), Bump (24), Knuble (23), Wisdom (25), Ciernak (22), Berglund (21), Rizzo (26)

D: Sanheim (31), York (27), Andrae (25), Bonk (22), Drysdale (25), Zamula (27)
depth: Gill (21), McDonald (25), Grans (25), Sotheran (22),

G: Ersson (28), Kolosov (25), Zavragin (22), Bjarnason (22)

I don't expect them to chase high price FAs, unless a top 6 center 26 or under becomes available.
They'll have Couts, TK and Sanheim as their veteran core.
With Jett and Cates, I can see them going for an offense first 1C.
On defense, they'll want another full size D-man to go with Bonk, maybe Gill/McDonald, maybe a trade.
 
deadhead said:
Laughton has more value after this season. Subpar last season probably resulted in limited offers.

Seeler, Hathaway would garner you mid-round picks, maybe a 3rd for Seeler, but he's a 3rd pair D-man, you're not getting a premium. I'd rather have Seeler to babysit young D-men, Drysdale this year, maybe Bonk next year. TCL expires summer of 2026, at that point no room in the inn.

So TK was the only meaningful trade, you would have gotten a late 1st, late 2nd and "B" prospect last summer, similar to Meier. Since then he's taken his game up a notch.

If EP was a great player, it would be a no brainer if you could get him cheap.
But NTC kicks in next year, if he's one of those who glides after he gets big money . . .

Reportedly the ask from Buffalo is Cozens and Byram, Montreal, Suzuki and Guhle.
Detroit: A proposed trade involves sending JT Compher, Michael Rasmussen, top prospect Nate Danielson, goalie prospect Trey Augustine, and a 2025 first-round pick to Vancouver

Rutherford would ask for Michkov, Flyers would probably have to offer Frost, Farabee, (2) 1st rd picks or something like that.

I think Miller will be the one to be traded, Rutherford inherited a mess, and dumping an aging contract would give him more flexibility this summer.
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Last TDL you said he had more value in the summer, then in the summer you said he'd have more value at this TDL. Now you're saying his value is in the summer. In 5 months you're going to be saying his value is at the '26 TDL.
 
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GKJ said:
By any definition of a rebuild, there are no such ones where it is palatable anymore to go 5 years with it. It’s 3 at most. Owners can’t sell rebuilds because they still don’t draw. They’re also cards are on the table. If they’re contenders in 18 months, that means they are full boar for the playoffs next year. Their expectations within the standings now has a floor. Hilferty has said out loud that this is the last year of salary cap turmoil.

They’re also in a division with the Capitals who did a retool the way they always expected Hextall and Fletcher to do it. Not just developing players, but never being awful, and bringing in guys any one of us would’ve screamed about. Including the coach.
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Counterpoint to justifying a short timeline for a rebuild is that they sat on their hands for 2 years, always kicking the can down the road of the biggest moves and supposedly better drafts. If they weren't going to roll up their sleeves in year 1 after announcing a rebuild, then don't look to justify being done early because they have to "for the fans". This was the exact lazy, uninspired approach that most here projected and it will in all likelihood lead to the same mediocre bump from low middle to high middle of the standings.
 
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BernieParent said:
Counterpoint to justifying a short timeline for a rebuild is that they sat on their hands for 2 years, always kicking the can down the road of the biggest moves and supposedly better drafts. If they weren't going to roll up their sleeves in year 1 after announcing a rebuild, then don't look to justify being done early because they have to "for the fans". This was the exact lazy, uninspired approach that most here projected and it will in all likelihood lead to the same mediocre bump from low middle to high middle of the standings.
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Briere couldn't make any moves until summer of 2023. That's when the rebuild started.
Traded Provorov, dumped Hayes and TDA, let JVR walk. Signed Poehling.
Moved on from Allison, Lemieux, Laczynski, Bellows

2024 TDL, traded Walker, picked up Johnson.

Summer of 2024 he extended Hathaway and Seeler, but signed no FAs other than Abols and Eklind. Traded #32 for Edmonton's 1st. Pretty much it.

TK was extended after listening to offers, obviously no one blew him away, with (3) 2025 1sts, another 1st in the 20s probably didn't excite him. $8.75M is a bargain for a 80-90 point forward with a rising cap.

Why should Briere be in a rush? He only has two tradable assets in Laughton and Risto, he's not moving Farabee (24) or Frost (25) for draft picks. So he'll either make a move at the TDL or in June, then going into the draft and listen to offers. If the right deal comes along, he can package players, prospects and/or picks.
 
Beef Invictus said:
Last TDL you said he had more value in the summer, then in the summer you said he'd have more value at this TDL. Now you're saying his value is in the summer. In 5 months you're going to be saying his value is at the '26 TDL.
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When Laughton retires a career Flyers, he'll have more value in a front office role.
 
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In regards to EP, i'd absolutely do Frost+ Farabee and the two firsts.

This draft stinks. We need to lose a winger and everyone here hates Frost, anyway. Luchanko isn't going to be anything more than a 3C or maybe a mid-2C like Frost anyway. EP is something we'll never sniff without some serious luck
 
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deadhead said:
Briere couldn't make any moves until summer of 2023. That's when the rebuild started.
Traded Provorov, dumped Hayes and TDA, let JVR walk. Signed Poehling.
Moved on from Allison, Lemieux, Laczynski, Bellows

2024 TDL, traded Walker, picked up Johnson.

Summer of 2024 he extended Hathaway and Seeler, but signed no FAs other than Abols and Eklind. Traded #32 for Edmonton's 1st. Pretty much it.

TK was extended after listening to offers, obviously no one blew him away, with (3) 2025 1sts, another 1st in the 20s probably didn't excite him. $8.75M is a bargain for a 80-90 point forward with a rising cap.

Why should Briere be in a rush? He only has two tradable assets in Laughton and Risto, he's not moving Farabee (24) or Frost (25) for draft picks. So he'll either make a move at the TDL or in June, then going into the draft and listen to offers. If the right deal comes along, he can package players, prospects and/or picks.
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Briere should be in a rush because of the self-imposed competition window. That's my entire point. I don't want him to suddenly push all of his prospect/draft pick chips into the middle for a quick-fix C who is past his prime, but the FO is now dictating the end of the not-rebuild.

Except for Walker, the moves you listed aren't rebuild moves; Briere got rid of undesirables and still found the need to extend veterans and not trade his biggest trade asset (Konecny). The rationale may be sound but then drop the "rebuild" nonsense.

Briere has a roster-full (less Michkov) of tradeable assets, including Konecny, for the 1C and 1D they so desperately need. Farabee and Frost can be part of a bigger deal instead of just their weight in picks, as can anyone else on the Flyers or Phantoms. Every single player can be upgraded, even Michkov but the risk/reward with moving him is too undefined. That is what a rebuild represents; having moderate- and long-term improvement as the primary objective. And hesitating to trade Laughton due to the c-word you downplay is just one of many obstacles to achieving this objective.
 
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freakydallas13 said:
When Laughton retires a career Flyers, he'll have more value in a front office role.
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This will 100% morph into Laughton is only worth a 4th round pick so why bother trading him.

The writing is on the wall. The defense has already been shown and we’ll be told again that the Flyers know how to time a player’s market.
 
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