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[Reverend Mayhem]

i'm not a boeser fan but he legitimately might be the best player available to vancouver on the market

at center they're either going to have to convince bennett to sign here or settle for someone like nelson, tavares, gourde or giroux

Shit man Ehlers is better than Boeser.

 

[credulous]

Shit man Ehlers is better than Boeser.

right but is he willing to sign here? i'm not saying boeser is the best player on the market just that vancouver probably isn't top of list for the marquee names

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Looking back with hindsight

Tulsky really f***ed up badly

A contender losing Necas for only Stankoven to show for right now

I’m definitely loving how the deadline ended up for Carolina, especially given the report that they wanted to foist Kotkaniemi onto us for Boeser and a prospect. With that known, the schadenfreude of how the Necas/Rantanen situation unfolded is simply sublime to observe.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

He's supposed to make a decision amidst a dilemma. (And that's if you even believe Boeser had less value than Beauvillier)

GMs do this all the time by the deadline. Why can't Allvin?

Doing nothing it is absolutely a decision. Terminally online hockey nerds like us might hate it because it's boring, but it is still a decision.

Assuming the trade market for Boeser was as poor as PA said it was (and you would have to give me a reason why he would be lying about this if you don't want to), then the team had three options:

1) Trade Boeser for a 4th rounder or whatever poor return is available
2) Sign Boeser to what could be a bloated contract (ie more than the 5x8 we know he rejected)
3) Do nothing and wait until July 1 to see if Boeser's number comes down when he tests the market, or see if you can spend that money elsewhere

The team took option 3. Reasonable people can disagree but I don't understand the argument that this is so obviously worse than 1 or 2.

 

[Isi]

Well, I for sure would have preferred Kotkaniemi over Norris if we had to pick one of them. Has anything come out regarding what we would have sent over to Ottawa?

 

[kcunac]

wonder how much Marner wants? Like 13 or 14? It’s a lot, but he’s a very good player. If we get rid of Demko well could swing it.

Obviously we need a centre but what’s the point in overpaying for a 40 pt guy and where can we find a PPG one?

 

[credulous]

cred has maybe the most out there player evaluations of anyone who posts on this forum. I'll give them a tonne of credit for having unique opinions.

i think people just don't watch other teams and prospects honestly. willander is the blandest prospect i've seen get hype in years. like he's a slightly worse version of scott morrow or tanner molendyk. who gets excited about that?

anyways, i have given up trying to convince anyone of that. i stand behind saying the canucks are making a mistake passing up that deal though (especially given it was probably like klimovich or mynio or something as the prospect and not willander or elias nils pettersson). i don't think kotkaniemi is a great player or an answer for the top six issues this team has but his deal is now fantastic and he's at the very least a very good 3c. he'd be a good add for this team

i think people underestimate how hard it is going to get to add players going forward. the days of teams giving away good players like bjorkstrand or marino for basically nothing because of cap issues is over. free agents are going to have their pick of not just teams to play for but contenders to sign with. carolina (37m), winnipeg (37m), the leafs (28m), kings (25m), capitals (23m) and wild (20m) all have 20m+ in cap space this summer and wannabe contenders like utah, detroit and columbus have a ton of space too. vancouver is going to have to offer more than just cap space to retool in free agency like they've been able to the last couple seasons. tocchet and hughes will probably attract players but it's going to get harder to make signings like sherwood, debrusk and lankinen

i think we're about to see a massive shift in how successful teams are run. vegas and the florida teams won't need to change much because they're still the most desirable markets for players because of weather, taxes and winning programs but i think teams are going to have to start being much smarter about player development and "hockey trades". we're going from an environment where players were under pressure to find a place to play to an environment where teams are going to be under pressure just to fill out their roster with quality pros

 

[Isi]

But the truth is, having spoken with sources, that there were good teams interested in Boeser. Teams like the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes.

Florida’s interest waned once they discovered they could get Brad Marchand for just a conditional first round pick — it becomes a second rounder if the currently injured Marchand plays in less than 50 per cent of Florida’s playoff games.*

The Carolina talks were surely hampered by the reality that Hurricanes GM Eric Tulsky laid out during his post deadline press conference, that the Dallas Stars dragging their feet on the Mikko Rantanen trade ended up limiting Carolina’s ability to make subsequent deals.

Carolina, a source said, had been trying to move Jesperi Kotkaniemi for some time. And obviously adding a centre like Logan Stankoven made Kotkaniemi even more tradable. We know he’s been offered to Vancouver before and Vancouver does need to improve its centre depth after the departure of J.T. Miller. He was involved in this offer, as was a first-round pick.

The hang up it would seem may have come down to a prospect. Carolina was after one of Vancouver’s, even though Canucks have a mountain of their own. And whoever it was, it seems like Vancouver didn’t want to part with him.

*Florida also has to win 2 rounds for it to become a 1st

Honestly it seems insane, for both teams, that this has fallen over the adding of a prospect. Add a mid-round pick of our own instead, make it a conditional 1st, etc etc. this just seems silly for both of us.

 

[B-rock]

Next year's lower bowl season ticket prices are up over 40% from the 23-24 season

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Just double checking…nope I didn’t get a 40% raise year over year. Guess I’m in the wrong business.

 

[rypper]

I haven't gone to a single game this year. Not that it's too expensive (it is but still) i just dread driving from the valley into Vancouver.

The traffic black hole between west abbotsford and surrey ... I'd rather sit bare assed on a cactus. But I'm also too bougie to take the sky train etc.

 

[Grub]

I haven't gone to a single game this year. Not that it's too expensive (it is but still) i just dread driving from the valley into Vancouver.

The traffic black hole between west abbotsford and surrey ... I'd rather sit bare assed on a cactus. But I'm also too bougie to take the sky train etc.

I remember going to games in the early 2000’s the vibe was just different, you were just excited to go, and it was a weekend thing. Ofcourse there was no smartphones back then, everyone was engaged and not on their phones. Times have changed, now I just rather sit on my couch and catch a game while being a keyboard warrior in HFboards. I guess the way I consume the Canucks is a lot more different then when I was younger.

Also going to games back then, you kinda expect that you were going to see some fights and big hits, line brawls were a treat.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

wonder how much Marner wants? Like 13 or 14? It’s a lot, but he’s a very good player. If we get rid of Demko well could swing it.

Obviously we need a centre but what’s the point in overpaying for a 40 pt guy and where can we find a PPG one?

I would be seriously fine with targeting him, but my gut says he heads to the States. Florida/Tampa/Dallas, or one of the traditional big markets like NYR/LA/Chicago (play with Bedard)

 

[arttk]

wonder how much Marner wants? Like 13 or 14? It’s a lot, but he’s a very good player. If we get rid of Demko well could swing it.

Obviously we need a centre but what’s the point in overpaying for a 40 pt guy and where can we find a PPG one?

Marner squeezed as much as possible when he extended his last contract with his home town team. He’s going to ask for as much as possible in UFA.

 

[arttk]

Honestly it seems insane, for both teams, that this has fallen over the adding of a prospect. Add a mid-round pick of our own instead, make it a conditional 1st, etc etc. this just seems silly for both of us.

It’s the Canes, they probably asked for a better prospect and wouldn’t budge.

 

[Peen]

I haven't gone to a single game this year. Not that it's too expensive (it is but still) i just dread driving from the valley into Vancouver.

The traffic black hole between west abbotsford and surrey ... I'd rather sit bare assed on a cactus. But I'm also too bougie to take the sky train etc.

I grew up going to a decent amount of games every year. It's just a part of my life so i'll always be a buyer.

I also really enjoy public transit so i don't mind that aspect, and I'm living in VAN atm.

I will say though - I don't enjoy going as much as I used to. It's wild to me how many people in the crowd are either just belligerently drunk or are more into the gambling. It makes the crowd less fun. I'll sit around dudes just saying the absolute worst shit because the canucks are winning but not hitting their over.

Even my students ask me why I care so much about sports if i'm not a degenerate gambler.

It's definitely tilted over the last few years that I get as much satisfaction, if not more, scrolling HF during a game lol.

Doesn't help that Rogers is a shit can. Go to Edmonton, or Seattle, and soon Calgary and it's just mind blowing how much better your in-arena experience is.

 

[dez]

I would be seriously fine with targeting him, but my gut says he heads to the States. Florida/Tampa/Dallas, or one of the traditional big markets like NYR/LA/Chicago (play with Bedard)

Nucks are in the bottom third of the league in cap space available, even a guy like Ehlers would be a long shot and do you want to tie up 8 million+ to Ehlers who struggles to produce in the playoffs.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

wonder how much Marner wants? Like 13 or 14? It’s a lot, but he’s a very good player. If we get rid of Demko well could swing it.

Obviously we need a centre but what’s the point in overpaying for a 40 pt guy and where can we find a PPG one?

Either go big game hunting or make bargain bin signings. Only proper way to do FA.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Nucks are in the bottom third of the league in cap space available, even a guy like Ehlers would be a long shot and do you want to tie up 8 million+ to Ehlers who struggles to produce in the playoffs.

Not really, but suppose we sign Boeser, which Boeser shows up next year? The guy who finishes plays and goes to the net or the perimeter guy who is just kinda….there and gives up along the boards easy?

He’s not a sure bet, but if he wants to be here so bad like he keeps saying….well…prove it.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I’m definitely loving how the deadline ended up for Carolina, especially given the report that they wanted to foist Kotkaniemi onto us for Boeser and a prospect. With that known, the schadenfreude of how the Necas/Rantanen situation unfolded is simply sublime to observe.

KK and a late first for Boeser and one of EP2/Lekk/Willander?

f*** right off

 

[Peter Griffin]

Rutherford and Alwvin have done some good work, their hits outweighing their misses

But what they truly excel at is . . .

(yeah, that's Cammi on the left)

Looks more like Castonguay.

 

[Peter Griffin]

KK and a late first for Boeser and one of EP2/Lekk/Willander?

f*** right off

Where does he suggest it was one of those prospects?

That said, KK and a late 1st for Boeser alone I’d probably tell them to eff off. But I’m no KK fan.

 

[Nuckles]

Where does he suggest it was one of those prospects?

People are assuming based on Allvin's comments in his post-trade deadline conference talking about how teams were asking for their top prospects.

Knowing Carolina it's very possible, but it's also possible Allvin was talking about the teams shopping centres like Norris, Cozens, ROR, Schenn, etc.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Bruins traded RHD Carlo for Minten, 1st, 4th then traded a 4th for RHD Jokiharju.


Jokiharju, Minten, 1st for Carlo

I dont believe for a second we couldnt have gotten that for Brock Boeser from one of 31 NHL teams at 3,325,000 after salary retained.

This is just piss poor analysis.

You think that a UFA non penalty killing, slowfooted player who is having a bad year and who hasn't pissed a drop without Miller would garner a similar value trade as a top 4, 6'5 penalty killing monster with another year left at a good deal (and with retention)?

I don't have to go deeper then to say that you're so far off on this it's wild.

I like how this organization is always going with the Lloyd Christmas argument, "you're saying there's a chance? Yeaaaahh!"

A declining Pettersson, a Hughes with multiple injuries and a missing Demko can somehow pull a St. Louis Blues.

Nothing will change unless Aqua sells the team. He will never rebuild and lives in that dream.

This zero sum hfboards bullshit gets so tiresome. Like if it's not a cup year we should be endlessly rebuilding.

This has been a challenging year. Our core and learn from the experience of a playoff race and a first round, even if that's all we get.

If we could have gotten a crazy combo of prospects or picks, then it might be worth foregoing that. But trading Boeser for f*** all because we're not going to win the cup isn't how sports or humanity works. Unless you want Buffalo purgatory.

Just checked in on what the Canucks did at the deadline and saw they did absolutely nothing except trade Soucy.

I mean, my interest in this team is just evaporating. There's absolutely nothing to cling to. At least during the Benning years I clung to the future when we had Bowser, Pettersson and Hughes as core prospects/young players. Well we know the fate of that core now. And management seems content spinning their wheels...

I'm getting too old for this, man. If this is how it's going to be then whatever. I have a lot of other things I'm interested in.

Then go do something else.

passing on this deal (if the info is legit) seems like an incredible misstep. even if it was like the dallas 2026 1st and kk for boeser and willander i would have been all over this. kk isn't the top 6 c they need but his deal is great for a 3c and the 1st would have given them ammo to go after another center in the summer. kk would have been a nice piece to have for the playoff drive too

losing a prospect would hurt but willander seems much less important with hughes, marcus pettersson, hronek and myers all signed for the next two years and elias nils pettersson, kudryavtsev and mynio all tracking well and there's no one else that comes close to the value of that 1st

You have some of the most bizarre takes I have ever seen.

That trade would go down in our history as top 3 worst EVER.

Kotkaniemi was a bad gamble and is negative value. And Dallas' first a year from now won't be higher than like 26th overall likely. And for that you would dump Boeser AND a dman who was built in a lab to play in this era and absolutely shut down opponents?

I haven't made a judgment on your ability to assess forwards or goalies, but your assessment of D is crazy. From comparing Hronek to Myers (and dying on that hill) to this. Just bananas.

 

[LemonSauceD]

KK and a late first for Boeser and one of EP2/Lekk/Willander?

f*** right off

I hope Carolina never finds an ounce of success. I hate the way they operate.

 

[dez]

KK and a late first for Boeser and one of EP2/Lekk/Willander?

f*** right off

I don't see any of those prospects mentioned, It was probably a lesser prospect but even then it's a f*** no. Having 2 tweener C's (KK/Chytil) both of who don't kill penalties isn't the way to go.