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[TruGr1t]

1000000000% YES........

Like a player like this is easily replaceable is laughable........

For better or for worse our best course of action is to pray he gets his act together over the summer and trains his ass off........(while hoping whatever ailments he has had improve and don't prohibit his training).

WE might not love this idea however it's BY FAR the best course of action..........trading him now would be a massive mistake imo.........I'd much sooner bank on him returning to form then living with whatever B level players we end up with (especially when it's clear that it's his edge work and burst that need work - something training can alleviate)

Pettersson as he’s played for the past year isn’t particularly hard to replace at probably less money, actually. If you think he’s going to 100% rebound to his form 1.5-2 years ago, then yes he’s hard to replace.

He’s been a 50-60 point pace player for quite a while now.

The issue is the $11.6M, he’s going to have to basically bounce all the way back to justify the cap hit, and that’s as he’s getting older.

The team has way more information on what’s going on then we do, so hopefully they make the right decision either way.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Pettersson as he’s played for the past year isn’t particularly hard to replace at probably less money, actually. If you think he’s going to 100% rebound to his form 1.5-2 years ago, then yes he’s hard to replace.

He’s been a 50-60 point pace player for quite a while now.

The issue is the $11.6M, he’s going to have to basically bounce all the way back to justify the cap hit, and that’s as he’s getting older.

The team has way more information on what’s going on then we do, so hopefully they make the right decision either way.

You aren't banking on replacing the guy he's been for the last year......you are banking on replacing the 90+ offensive and defensive wizard that he has been at times.

I agree thou the team is most informed here..........if they think that this is the new norm obviously they should trade him.....if they think that he can regain his form with proper training then they would be crazy to trade him.

My somewhat uninformed opinion is that we should bank on the latter........it's more probable then not that he regains form imo.........time will tell though

 

[M2Beezy]

Jim Benning

Reported

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

No I think it was a good choice at the time but you also have to call a spade a spade. We should have traded him when his value was his highest.

We all know and seen his red flags. Could have had a franchise changing trade but the management doubled down on him.

This is mainly a management issue. The player is what the player is but how JR and Allvin didn’t see his short comings is insane to me

I knew his red flags from day 1 and I still want to keep him. Keep the faith.

 

[dez]

This talk about trading him before his NMC kicks in makes no sense to me. He basically already has an NMC. Based on reports, he was promised one when he signed. His agent is one of the most powerful in the industry who is also QH's agent. NMC players can be traded anyways, but let's not pretend that they will just trade EP to Siberia just because they "can", and without his input.

Well also based on reports he was almost traded to Carolina.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

No I think it was a good choice at the time but you also have to call a spade a spade. We should have traded him when his value was his highest.

We all know and seen his red flags. Could have had a franchise changing trade but the management doubled down on him.

This is mainly a management issue. The player is what the player is but how JR and Allvin didn’t see his short comings is insane to me

This is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. Like I said in a previous post, there is not a single GM who would have traded a 24 year old center who put up 102 points out of concerns he might struggle in the future due to an injury that happened prior to said 102 point season.

It just wouldn't happen.

 

[andora]

This is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. Like I said in a previous post, there is not a single GM who would have traded a 24 year old center who put up 102 points out of concerns he might struggle in the future due to an injury that happened prior to said 102 point season.

It just wouldn't happen.

But you gotta cash in on that roi to hit the kpi for the next best thing

 

[TruGr1t]

Well also based on reports he was almost traded to Carolina.

Twice.

 

[Jroach]

You aren't banking on replacing the guy he's been for the last year......you are banking on replacing the 90+ offensive and defensive wizard that he has been at times.

But you can do that with two "B level" 45 point defensively sound players, who would both be a net gain to this team right now (aka make the team better) and even if EP rebounds, the cap hits for the two are likely around the same as EP's, so you're just matching his effectiveness in two players. Not a massive risk for the Canucks.

 

[VancouverJagger]

This is easy to say with the benefit of hindsight. Like I said in a previous post, there is not a single GM who would have traded a 24 year old center who put up 102 points out of concerns he might struggle in the future due to an injury that happened prior to said 102 point season.

It just wouldn't happen.

Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? You are right.......ZERO GM's would have traded him after that season.....ZERO. To suggest we should have traded him then isn't grounded in any sort of reality

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? You are right.......ZERO GM's would have traded him after that season.....ZERO. To suggest we should have traded him then isn't grounded in any sort of reality

Just like we should’ve started Schneider in game 6 in Boston.

Maybe, yeah, but that was NEVER going to happen in a million years.

Twice.

Back when EP/Miller were both still on the team, yea.

We don’t live in that place anymore.

 

[bossram]

He's playing 1C for the Ducks and is on track for like a career high in points. He's also a right shot, and on a contract that expires in 2026-27.

Sorry for the late response. I just don't really think getting force fed the 1C role on an abysmal team is that impressive. Strome is terrible defensively and just from kinda watching that team, the Vatrano/Strome/Terry unit is almost entirely driven by Terry. The games he was out, they were terrible. Terry does everything on the breakout and transition. Vatrano is the finisher. Strome is kinda just there.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Management in a real tricky spot with Petey. I don’t envy the decision because it seems like it is 50/50 to get it wrong. I know I don’t want to watch this guy skate in sand until 2032.

 

[Canucks LB]

Management in a real tricky spot with Petey. I don’t envy the decision because it seems like it is 50/50 to get it wrong. I know I don’t want to watch this guy skate in sand until 2032.

Is it tricky, because with every game it becomes more obvious what we have to do.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Is it tricky, because with every game it becomes more obvious what we have to do.

I know, and it is an unpleasant thought.

But then the other side of the brain says why can't he re-gain the form he had unless he's physically unable to?

 

[Canucks LB]

I know, and it is an unpleasant thought.

But then the other side of the brain says why can't he re-gain the form he had unless he's physically unable to?

I keep thinking it’s an injury also, but the team says no injury, Sweden says no injury, the player basically says no injury, so what’s going on?

 

[Canucker]

I keep thinking it’s an injury also, but the team says no injury, Sweden says no injury, the player basically says no injury, so what’s going on?

Queue the HFBoard Licenced Doctors…they’re sure to have an answer.

 

[Agent007]

Is it tricky, because with every game it becomes more obvious what we have to do.

Need to be careful here because at the end of the day we need a legit number one center in the lineup whether it’s petey or someone else.

One consideration has to be can you get petey back by the start of next season and if that’s a better return than anything out there then it’s not as obvious as one may emotionally feel.

 

[Canucks LB]

Need to be careful here because at the end of the day we need a legit number one center in the lineup whether it’s petey or someone else.

One consideration has to be can you get petey back by the start of next season and if that’s a better return than anything out there then it’s not as obvious as one may emotionally feel.

It’s a hell of a gamble if you keep him after this last year and a bit, because you’re locked in for eight seasons.

That could cripple this team.

That being said, you can’t just trade him for nothing either, due to potential.

I’m not even angry anymore, I’m just disappointed

 

[Agent007]

It’s a hell of a gamble if you keep him after this last year and a bit, because you’re locked in for eight seasons.

That could cripple this team.

That being said, you can’t just trade him for nothing either, due to potential.

I’m not even angry anymore, I’m just disappointed

I think best case scenario petey gets his confidence back and moves on from all this. Second best case is someone offers a piece that perhaps has yet to reach his potential at the draft. I think either way you have to give it these final 27 games unless you get an offer you can’t say no to at the deadline (highly unlikely).

 

[bossram]

Choosing Miller was the right call, expecting that you could work with him to get him to be more mature and professional was reasonable assumption. Too bad Miller was anything but reasonable. Ooops!

It wasn't a reasonable assumption. It was a (mis)calculated risk.

They chose to invest in JT. JT has always been a volatile asset, throughout his entire career. He got into a fight with Lundqvist when he was on the Rangers. When you invest in an asset like that, you assume the risk that JT will have some kind of blow up that permanently damages his viability in the locker room. They did not calculate this risk correctly and their investment went bust.

 

[bossram]

Come on in, the water is fine.

At this point—I think being a Petey believer is the minority. It feels like the majority would understand and support a trade.

For me, it's not really about "believing" whether Petey will bounce back. The longer this level of play goes on, it becomes increasingly likely he won't ever bounce back. His injuries could be chronic, which would make a full recovery impossible. And you could probably place me in the most fervent "pro-Petey" camp.

It's about the probabilities of where this team is going to go. If you trade Petey, the return will not include any premium assets. It will be a platter of B-tier pieces like the BUF end of the Eichel trade. Going that route ensures the team will not even be a fringe contender in the medium-term. The likeliest outcome is just a gradual drift toward even more mediocre finishes, even if Quinn stays (I doubt he will). 0% chance of winning anything significant or going on a playoff run.

I don't know what the likelihood of Petey bouncing back to like a top ~15 center form is. Maybe it's 10% at this point. But that's the only semi-realistic route to any kind of contention. They need a top center to contend, and Petey's old form returning is pretty much the only way, as the organization is currently charted, (i.e. not tanking for McKenna), that they will be able to find one. 10%>0%.

 

[Vector]

It wasn't a reasonable assumption. It was a (mis)calculated risk.

They chose to invest in JT. JT has always been a volatile asset, throughout his entire career. He got into a fight with Lundqvist when he was on the Rangers. When you invest in an asset like that, you assume the risk that JT will have some kind of blow up that permanently damages his viability in the locker room. They did not calculate this risk correctly and their investment went bust.

Did it, though? He outperformed his contract last year and then traded him this season for a positive return and avoid any of the albatross years. Obviously what happened wasn’t a good scenario but it may have worked out strangely well. The original proposal for Miller before he signed an extension wasn’t any better than what they got for him.

To me, it seems like the bet was they felt they could move off his contract for a positive return even if things go sideways. Almost immediately he was almost traded to the Penguins too.

 

[Hodgy]

I keep thinking it’s an injury also, but the team says no injury, Sweden says no injury, the player basically says no injury, so what’s going on?

When did Sweden say he isn’t injured?

It wasn't a reasonable assumption. It was a (mis)calculated risk.

They chose to invest in JT. JT has always been a volatile asset, throughout his entire career. He got into a fight with Lundqvist when he was on the Rangers. When you invest in an asset like that, you assume the risk that JT will have some kind of blow up that permanently damages his viability in the locker room. They did not calculate this risk correctly and their investment went bust.

He’s definitely a bozo, and they took some risk there. But what transpired was still pretty shocking and unpredictable. Like, we knew he was a bozo during the pandemic year, and we knew he didn’t get a long with Pettersson, but literally no one predicted what happened.

 

[Hodgy]

To me, it seems like the bet was they felt they could move off his contract for a positive return even if things go sideways. Almost immediately he was almost traded to the Penguins too.

JR was asked why he extended both and basically said this. Because if you have two good players, his reasoning was it was better to extend both and trade one or both, verses getting less value for a rental or expiring contract, or whatever.