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[TruGr1t]

I suspect Myers is liked much more in the Canuck's front office than he is on this board. I will be surprised if he goes anywhere.

Regardless, the issue with Myers is you're not really going to go out and upgrade the right-side at this point given cap restraints and the fact the cost on guys like Tanev are prohibitive from an asset perspective. They should be adding defensive depth, not subtracting.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Those Rogers Arena hot dogs don't grow on trees

True. Obviously it is like veal and they kill em young to make the meat the most tender.

 

[bossram]

Kovacevic is going to cost a fortune. He's a solid #5D with size on the Hoglander contract for two more playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if the asking price is nearly as high as what we paid for Lindholm.

He was considered waiver fodder less than a year ago. MTL definitely has a lot more organizational depth on defense, so I wonder if some forward prospects might entice them.

I would inquire if I were the Canucks.

 

[Tact]

He was considered waiver fodder less than a year ago. MTL definitely has a lot more organizational depth on defense, so I wonder if some forward prospects might entice them.

I would inquire if I were the Canucks.

Everyone thought that about Schenn - 1 year at 800k and only returned a 3rd. Apparently was offered a 2nd when he had two years left. So definitely not “huge price”

 

[Jerry the great]

Everyone thought that about Schenn - 1 year at 800k and only returned a 3rd. Apparently was offered a 2nd when he had two years left. So definitely not “huge price”

Okay, but Schenn was old and had absolutely no blue sky upside. Kovacevic is young enough, that people will look at the development trajectory and bet that there is upside to be had.

 

[MS]

I stand by my words.


Raymond also sucked at everything except skating fast and falling down on hashmark button hooks.

People actually still think this about Raymond?

He was considered waiver fodder less than a year ago. MTL definitely has a lot more organizational depth on defense, so I wonder if some forward prospects might entice them.

I would inquire if I were the Canucks.

He was waiver fodder 1.5 years ago. Since then he's had good results as a solid 5D in tough deployment.

I'd certainly enquire but that contract should make his trade value very significant.

 

[quat]

True. Obviously it is like veal and they kill em young to make the meat the most tender.

all the petting is like a massage!

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Tanev's agent is probably busy Checkmating any possible move to another team besides the Canucks.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

all the petting is like a massage!

lol.

People actually still think this about Raymond?



He was waiver fodder 1.5 years ago. Since then he's had good results as a solid 5D in tough deployment.

I'd certainly enquire but that contract should make his trade value very significant.

I don't really. But I couldn't stand him by the end of his tenure here. And that always sticks out in my mind. Along with Bertuzzi's blatant offsides/yelling at linesmen and Morrison's stick infractions and mild complaints to the ref. Funny how the irritating qualities is what sticks out most years later lol.

 

[bossram]

Tanev's agent is probably busy Checkmating any possible move to another team besides the Canucks.

Well, he has a 10 team NTC. So there's 21 teams CGY could trade him to without any notice.

 

[CloutierForVezina]

Well, he has a 10 team NTC. So there's 21 teams CGY could trade him to without any notice.

Yeah but not all 30 other teams are seriously trying to acquire a rental Tanev. He can block pretty much all of the serious contenders if he wanted to, effectively forcing a trade to the Canucks.

I doubt he'd try to engineer a trade to the Canucks like that, but it is something he could do pretty easily depending on when he had to submit that list of 10 teams.

 

[Vector]

Yeah but not all 30 other teams are seriously trying to acquire a rental Tanev. He can block pretty much all of the serious contenders if he wanted to, effectively forcing a trade to the Canucks.

I doubt he'd try to engineer a trade to the Canucks like that, but it is something he could do pretty easily depending on when he had to submit that list of 10 teams.

Just so everyone is clear, his NTC is submitted before the season started. No one here has any idea how it's configured and he doesn't get to choose 10 teams as it comes up.

 

[CloutierForVezina]

Just so everyone is clear, his NTC is submitted before the season started. No one here has any idea how it's configured and he doesn't get to choose 10 teams as it comes up.

Are NTCs always submitted before the season starts? I thought I've read instances where teams have requested the player submit a list because they want to shop them at the deadline, but my memory might be foggy

 

[Vector]

Are NTCs always submitted before the season starts? I thought I've read instances where teams have requested the player submit a list because they want to shop them at the deadline, but my memory might be foggy

They are always supposed to be submitted at a certain date but the NHL is a Mickey Mouse league that doesn't hold itself to any sort of standard. What's supposed to happen is the player files the NTC list with the team and/or league at the start of the new season (July 1st). A player can submit a new list at the beginning of every season or have the option to just roll over the same list. We used to hear that teams would ask a player for their list but what it really was the player's agent had already submitted the list to the league to verify it and the team was requesting that same info from the player.

The problem was the league didn't actually do anything with these lists. They never created a database or an archive. This is why there was so much confusion over the Senators/Golden Knights/Ducks debacle and why the league decided that the Senators were ultimately at fault because they didn't make the Golden Knights aware of an NTC when Dadonov was originally traded there.

 

[CloutierForVezina]

They are always supposed to be submitted at a certain date but the NHL is a Mickey Mouse league that doesn't hold itself to any sort of standard. What's supposed to happen is the player files the NTC list with the team and/or league at the start of the new season (July 1st). A player can submit a new list at the beginning of every season or have the option to just roll over the same list. We used to hear that teams would ask a player for their list but what it really was the player's agent had already submitted the list to the league to verify it and the team was requesting that same info from the player.

The problem was the league didn't actually do anything with these lists. They never created a database or an archive. This is why there was so much confusion over the Senators/Golden Knights/Ducks debacle and why the league decided that the Senators were ultimately at fault because they didn't make the Golden Knights aware of an NTC when Dadonov was originally traded there.

Interesting. I went digging and Capfriendly seems to back me up that M-NTCs can be set up that they're submitted upon request rather than automatically submitted in the offseason:

Example: Modified No-Trade Clause: Within 48 hours of request, the player must submit a list of 18 teams they are willing to be traded to without consent. If the list is not received within 48 hours, the player can be traded to any team without consent.

Source: NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Unless if capfriendly has this wrong, it's absolutely a thing where players can be asked to submit a list upon request instead of just in the offseason. Or maybe they're just referencing what you're talking about, which is to re-submit the list they had to submit in the offseason

I have no idea how Tanev's contract is structured so I assume you have more details and his list was filed in the offseason

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Just so everyone is clear, his NTC is submitted before the season started. No one here has any idea how it's configured and he doesn't get to choose 10 teams as it comes up.

A ten team NTC is workable to get him back to the Wet Coast.

Conroy has said he is trying to trade him to a contender, of which there are few that need Tanev.

If the asking price is a 1st or even a second, the Agent just has to say no extension or an extension will cost 7X7M and there will be few if any takers.

I wonder if Tanev even sold his place in Vancouver when he moved a few years ago...

 

[PG Canuck]

These logos are so sick

 

[Vector]

Interesting. I went digging and Capfriendly seems to back me up that M-NTCs can be set up that they're submitted upon request rather than automatically submitted in the offseason:



Source: NHL CBA FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Unless if capfriendly has this wrong, it's absolutely a thing where players can be asked to submit a list upon request instead of just in the offseason. Or maybe they're just referencing what you're talking about, which is to re-submit the list they had to submit in the offseason

I have no idea how Tanev's contract is structured so I assume you have more details and his list was filed in the offseason

Yeah, the league just doesn't handle it in the way they say they should. It's all supposed to be submitted before the season starts and the league has a copy. So in fairness to your assumption, Tanev probably could pick & choose if he didn't already tell the team his trade list on July 1st since no one is properly tracking this.

 

[vancityluongo]

the indigenous logo is genuinely one of the nicest i've ever seen in sports and based on the design of the base orca, there's no reason why they shouldn't use that permanently (in blue white and black if they don't want to switch to grizzlies colours)

 

[DFAC]

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These logos are so sick

That dragon one is dope - wonder why we dont have more dragon themed sports teams in North America? God knows we have enough bird themed teams…

 

[andora]

That dragon one is dope - wonder why we dont have more dragon themed sports teams in North America? God knows we have enough bird themed teams…

Agreed that logo is just sexy

 

[Nazzlind]

Yeah, the league just doesn't handle it in the way they say they should. It's all supposed to be submitted before the season starts and the league has a copy. So in fairness to your assumption, Tanev probably could pick & choose if he didn't already tell the team his trade list on July 1st since no one is properly tracking this.

Are you sure that’s the case for all NTC’s and not just that July 1st was negotiated in Dadanov’s contract?

 

[Vector]

Are you sure that’s the case for all NTC’s and not just that July 1st was negotiated in Dadanov’s contract?

July 1st is the first day of a new season, so yes I’m sure.

The issue with the Dadanov isn’t related to a specific date but the league not tracking NTCs properly and the Senators not notifying the Golden Knights that he even had one.

 

[ziploc]

the indigenous logo is genuinely one of the nicest i've ever seen in sports and based on the design of the base orca, there's no reason why they shouldn't use that permanently (in blue white and black if they don't want to switch to grizzlies colours)

I have a friend who contributed a design for consideration for the Indigenous logo, and I would argue it's even cooler, though I admit I might be biased. At any rate, I am totally on board for making an Indigenous theme the permanent logo.

 

[Nazzlind]

July 1st is the first day of a new season, so yes I’m sure.

The issue with the Dadanov isn’t related to a specific date but the league not tracking NTCs properly and the Senators not notifying the Golden Knights that he even had one.

If you look up the NHLPA's 2021-2022 Transition Rules, there's a pdf that says the following regarding NTC/NMC's:

Spoiler

No Trade Lists Submission Dates
Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the No Trade Lists Submission Date is July 1, 2022, will be deemed amended such that such No Trade Lists Submission Date is July 13, 2022.

Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the No Trade Lists Submission Date occurs after July 1, 2022 and on or before August 15, 2022, will be deemed amended such that such No Trade Lists Submission Date will occur on the corresponding number of days after July 13, 2022.

Contracts containing No Trade/No Move Clauses in which the No Trade Lists Submission Date occurs after May 15, 2022 and prior to July 1, 2022, will be deemed amended such that such No Trade Lists Submission Date will occur on the corresponding number of days prior to July 13, 2022.

This seems to imply that the NTC/NMC submission dated is negotiated and the July 1 date isn't a universal one. This also agrees with the information on capfriendly.