Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[Vector]

Didn’t even know he got sent down.

 

[rypper]

Didn’t even know he got sent down.

Quietly 2 days ago.

 

[krutovsdonut]

cap counting?

 

[RobertKron]

cap counting?

He was up on an emergency recall since they'd already used all their post-deadline call-ups, and I'm assuming they had to reassign him when they signed Hirose and thus added a body on D. I'd imagine this recall should mean someone else is hurt, but who knows since the NHL seems to only kind of have rules.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

 

[andora]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

A lot worth commenting on but first

Number 3

Where was that rumor

:vomit

 

[krutovsdonut]

seems to me canucks cannot think to add jones unless they have resolved oel either as permanent ltir or somehow gone.

it also needs to be remembered myer's cap room is needed to sign pettersson unless and until we move someone else, which we cannot count on happening.

so if we do move myers, it has to be a one year deal. my guess is they use that dough

 

[m9]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

2. Nobody will want Boeser at the deadline.. again. His contract will still have term and there's nothing to suggest playoff teams will want him as their "add" for a run. The time to trade him is this off-season.

8. Why would OEL waive for Chicago?

 

[ohnoeszz]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

I agree with a lot of this. Boeser or Garland is the choice for cap space. I've actually liked how Boeser looks with Miller but Garland is an elite 3W in this system. I've been leaning that we move Boeser.

I also keep circling back to Jones. I think it makes all the sense in the world for us as it solves our cap allocation and Defense in one stroke. Unfortunately the OEL NMC goals anything I come up with. What would he accept?

 

[Phrasing]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

1. I think they try to move OEL but will find no good way to do it (buyout or trade) so I agree he’s back.

2. I think Boeser playing himself to respectability means he’s more tradeable rather than asset worth keeping. Rather find another similar player that’s a center, maybe produces less, but can take on heavy defensive assignments. Maybe Henrique or Sissons.

3. No interest and would be a backwards move in getting a poorer performer.

4. Agreed. Less worried on trading Garland if Boeser is traded though.

5. Really doubt this happens in my opinion. I think they’re comfortable trading extra first round picks, but not their own top 10 pick based on their prior language.

6. Gaudreau yes, Barbashev no— not really an effective player I think.

7. Agreed.

8. I don’t see Jones waiving to do this, I don’t see Chicago wanting to do this without a sweetener, and I don’t see the Canucks doing it because the cap issues this creates.

 

[Bleach Clean]

1. I think they try to move OEL but will find no good way to do it (buyout or trade) so I agree he’s back.

2. I think Boeser playing himself to respectability means he’s more tradeable rather than asset worth keeping. Rather find another similar player that’s a center, maybe produces less, but can take on heavy defensive assignments. Maybe Henrique or Sissons.

3. No interest and would be a backwards move in getting a poorer performer.

4. Agreed. Less worried on trading Garland if Boeser is traded though.

5. Really doubt this happens in my opinion. I think they’re comfortable trading extra first round picks, but not their own top 10 pick based on their prior language.

6. Gaudreau yes, Barbashev no— not really an effective player I think.

7. Agreed.

8. I don’t see Jones waiving to do this, I don’t see Chicago wanting to do this without a sweetener, and I don’t see the Canucks doing it because the cap issues this creates.

1. An attempt to re-habilitate him.

2. If it boosts his trade stock to get something comparable, all good. I mentioned dman, but a 3C works.

3. Fair enough.

4. I think they'll notice the difference going from Boeser to Garland at 2RW and on the PP.

5. Doubt it happens too, but I think that's what they should do if they want to execute properly on their plan.

6. Barbie/Milstein is probably the best option that will be realistically available to them, IMO.

7. Cool.

8. That's interesting. Jones wants to stay with the full rebuild? You'd think a mid-aged player would want out, and that CHI would jump at the chance to jettison that albatross of a contract.


@m9 Normally, I would think OEL waiving his NMC would be the issue. They would have to convince him.

 

[Horvat1C]

Few thoughts:

1. I think would bring OEL back. No buyout. I think he's played about 12~ games under Tocchet? Give him the offseason to train hard restart under this coach. If he fails then, he's out.

2. Boeser is on pace for 59 points, a career high. This has been a terrible season for him otherwise, but he still produces, and he helps Miller produce. I would bring him back unless there is a hockey trade for a dman available. Trade him at the deadline instead, if they falter again.

3. There's been some rumour kicking around about JT Miller for Kuznetsov? Not sure what to think about that yet because while I like the shorter contract, I don't think Kuznetsov will produce near as much in the 2C role here.

4. Trade Garland and Myers as first priorities this offseason. These are the pieces to move for cap relief and/or roster rebalancing.

5. Trade the 1st rounder (they are already on the path) for an impact Dman. If they can saddle a contract along with, all the better.

6. I liked the earlier suggestion of Gaudreau by, I think, MS? Solid player. Barbashev would suffice, but I don't think he's strong enough at the centre spot to secure it long term.

7. VAN likely gets outbid for Gavrikov. I don't see him landing here.

8. The outlandish solution may be to look at Seth Jones (calm please)... There was a rumour that OTT called CHI about him. Now normally, you would look at that contract as probably the second worst in the league. OEL is probably the what, the 6th worst? That's the basis for a deal. CHI does it because it gets them out of an absolute monster deal their current regime didn't sign. VAN does it because they resolve the right side, although at a major premium.

I agree with almost everything listed but I strongly disagree on a couple.

3. I've thought about that and I've come to the conclusion that Kuznetsov would more than likely be a disaster. I'd rather have Miller.

4. I saw a Penguins fan propose Granlund for Garland, or something around that. I think that's a solid basis for a trade considering a) Garland's cap hit is reallocated to 3C b) Granlund's contract is shorter c) I think Granlund is still an effective player and he'd do well here. Expecting to do better than that with Garland may be unrealistic in the flat cap world. On Myers, I'd move him as well but it might be more expensive than it seems people here expect. I think the pool of teams that would consider taking that cap hit after his bonus is paid is very tiny, probably only 1-2 teams like Anaheim or Chicago. They'll have plenty of options for bad cap to take on and some teams will definitely be desperate to shed it. Myers + Hoglander would be a pretty nice package though and I think the Canucks can afford to move Hoglander as management doesn't seem to believe in him too strongly and we have a surplus of wingers anyways. Even then we likely take a small contract back similar to Stillman. One idea would be something like Myers + Hoglander + NJD 4th to ANA for Jones, a 6'3, 220 lbs 25 year old winger with one year at 1.295M before RFA. He was a speedy PWF with nice hands in the OHL, maybe Tocchet can get something out of him like he has with Joshua.

5. Mostly disagree. It is possible that the perfect opportunity comes up in the offseason and Alvin jumps on it like the Hronek deal. That is inherently unlikely though since it requires said perfect opportunity to materialize. Going into the offseason with the expectation of moving the 1st is not a good way to operate at this point.

6. I've liked F. Gaudreau as a target for 3C as well, but relying on getting one of the better center UFAs available in a weak free agent class for them is risky. The trade in 4 could be a safer option or a fall back plan if we don't get a UFA.

7. The Milstein pipeline is real.

8. Absolutely not.

 

[Phrasing]

1. An attempt to re-habilitate him.

2. If it boosts his trade stock to get something comparable, all good. I mentioned dman, but a 3C works.

3. Fair enough.

4. I think they'll notice the difference going from Boeser to Garland at 2RW and on the PP.

5. Doubt it happens too, but I think that's what they should do if they want to execute properly on their plan.

6. Barbie/Milstein is probably the best option that will be realistically available to them, IMO.

7. Cool.

8. That's interesting. Jones wants to stay with the full rebuild? You'd think a mid-aged player would want out, and that CHI would jump at the chance to jettison that albatross of a contract.


@m9 Normally, I would think OEL waiving his NMC would be the issue. They would have to convince him.

Not necessarily staying for a full rebuild but more he may not want to move to Canada from what I’ve read previously. Regardless I’m just unsure it’s good move for the Canucks— the dollar per performance with him is pretty awful.

 

[Hansen]

Man imagine what Andrei Kuzmenko could have done playing with the Sedin twins

 

[Bleach Clean]

Man imagine what Andrei Kuzmenko could have done playing with the Sedin twins

I was thinking exactly this the other day. He would have been good, but he loses on the puck pursuit to Burrows. Much more talented though.

 

[StickShift]

Let's play a fun game—who is on Tyler Myers 10-team NTC list?

• The goal of Myers is to not be traded. He would prefer to play his last year in Vancouver.
• If Myers were to be traded, he probably doesn't want to spend a twilight year on a non-contender.
• Let's assume that the Canucks goal is to trade him after his $5mm signing bonus has been paid.
• The acquring team would pay a $6mm cap-hit in 2023-24, but only pay $1mm in actual salary.

Let's go first with seven teams that are purposefully rebuilding and who Myers would probably veto any trade to:

1. Arizona​

2. Chicago​

3. Anaheim​

4. Columbus​

5. San Jose​

6. Ottawa​

7. Montreal​

8.​

9.​

10.​

That leaves me with a handful of other teams (in alphabetical order) that could conceivably (ill-conceivably?) be interested in Myers to some degree:

• Buffalo
• Detroit
• Florida
• New York Islanders
• Philadelphia
• Seattle
• Toronto
• Winnipeg

I'm not saying he will be traded... but it seems difficult for me that Myers would be able to block any trade at all with his 10-team NTC.

 

[Lindgren]

Let's play a fun game—who is on Tyler Myers 10-team NTC list?

• The goal of Myers is to not be traded. He would prefer to play his last year in Vancouver.
• If Myers were to be traded, he probably doesn't want to spend a twilight year on a non-contender.
• Let's assume that the Canucks goal is to trade him after his $5mm signing bonus has been paid.
• The acquring team would pay a $6mm cap-hit in 2023-24, but only pay $1mm in actual salary.

Let's go first with seven teams that are purposefully rebuilding and who Myers would probably veto any trade to:

1. Arizona​

2. Chicago​

3. Anaheim​

4. Columbus​

5. San Jose​

6. Ottawa​

7. Montreal​

8.​

9.​

10.​

That leaves me with a handful of other teams (in alphabetical order) that could conceivably (ill-conceivably?) be interested in Myers to some degree:

• Buffalo
• Detroit
• Florida
• New York Islanders
• Philadelphia
• Seattle
• Toronto
• Winnipeg

I'm not saying he will be traded... but it seems difficult for me that Myers would be able to block any trade at all with his 10-team NTC.

Which of the second set of teams would be able and willing to take on Myers' cap hit?

 

[Josepho]

The only way Myers is still in the organization is if Aquilini is too cheap or if he would prefer to stay here in the AHL than waive his NTC.

I don't know how common the latter is, maybe moving to Abbotsford is f***ing us over in this case.

 

[Canucker]

Which of the second set of teams would be able and willing to take on Myers' cap hit?

It's always possible to be surprised by GM's around the league....but to me, I don't see many scenarios that see Myers moved, unless there is some serious retainage. What would be Myers motivation to go to a team at or near the bottom of the league...uproot his family for a year, only to become a UFA and move again. I think in the end he'll be traded with a decent amount of retainage, get a moderate asset in return and he'll be off the books by the end of next season and good riddance.

 

[StickShift]

Trading Myers with significant retention is a lot better for the cap than him playing bad minutes.

It’s only one year of pain and the cap space saved could be the difference between acquiring a quality LD for Hronek or not.

Consider paying Myers $6mm to be on the third pairing… versus retaining $3mm to trade him and paying $1.5mm for a replacement level player on the third pair instead. You are practically saving $1.5mm in cap to invest in other areas of the team.

 

[bandwagonesque]

It's probably been said elsewhere, but Buffalo looks like a great place to dump Myers. He has a long history there, the team is reasonably competitive, they have tons and tons of cap space, almost no one to re-sign, and trying to integrate a lot of talented but inexperienced players into their defence.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Let's play a fun game—who is on Tyler Myers 10-team NTC list?

• The goal of Myers is to not be traded. He would prefer to play his last year in Vancouver.
• If Myers were to be traded, he probably doesn't want to spend a twilight year on a non-contender.

My comment to this would be; Hey Tyler, do you want to be waived or traded? If I trade you to Arizona they'll likely trade you to a contender at the deadline. All good?

 

[ziploc]

It's probably been said elsewhere, but Buffalo looks like a great place to dump Myers. He has a long history there, the team is reasonably competitive, they have tons and tons of cap space, almost no one to re-sign, and trying to integrate a lot of talented but inexperienced players into their defence.

Sounds great. I'm still having a hard time imagining someone not named Jim Benning actually wanting Myers on their team, but there are still people who value bigness, I guess.

 

[andora]

Sounds great. I'm still having a hard time imagining someone not named Jim Benning actually wanting Myers on their team, but there are still people who value bigness, I guess.

Yeah.. bigness and wingspan

 

[Vector]

Which of the second set of teams would be able and willing to take on Myers' cap hit?

Retain at 50% and the vast majority of teams.