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[Mr. Canucklehead]

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Vector, here, I've taken over this original post. Here's the link to my spreadsheet. Contains regularly updated capspace totals, projected rosters, and UFA & RFA lists with AFP's contract projections.

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[Baby Pettersson]

Here's my attempt at a dream team.

Trade Hronek. Use assets to dump Mikheyev, save the rest for the trade deadline.

Sign Guentzel, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev.

Also somehow Lekkerimaki surprises and is ready to rumble.

This leaves us with 60k in cap space. If we can also dump Poolman we'll have a bunch of room to add at the trade deadline.

 

[JT Milker]

Here's my attempt at a dream team.

Trade Hronek. Use assets to dump Mikheyev, save the rest for the trade deadline.

Sign Guentzel, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev.

Also somehow Lekkerimaki surprises and is ready to rumble.

This leaves us with 60k in cap space. If we can also dump Poolman we'll have a bunch of room to add at the trade deadline.

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Is that a 21 man roster? Going to be playing with 4 d within a week of the start of the season.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Is that a 21 man roster? Going to be playing with 4 d within a week of the start of the season.

Yup. Someone gets injured IR them and do a call up.

At the very least this is just an exercise showing the Canucks have alot more options this offseason then one might expect.

For example you want more D depth? Let Zaddy walk, sign Dillon and you still have 2.5M for another bottom pairing D.

We have tons of options.

 

[credulous]

60k of cap space only turns into like 300k by the trade deadline. you need to get like ~950k under to add a 5m player

(it depends on when the season starts and ends and when the trade deadline is, but it's usually about 40 days before the end of the season and the season is usually about 190-195 days)

trading poolman probably isn't worth it unless the canucks are going to run significantly under the salary cap (which seems unlikely to me)

 

[Baby Pettersson]

60k of cap space only turns into like 300k by the trade deadline. you need to get like ~950k under to add a 5m player

(it depends on when the season starts and ends and when the trade deadline is, but it's usually about 40 days before the end of the season and the season is usually about 190-195 days)

trading poolman probably isn't worth it unless the canucks are going to run significantly under the salary cap (which seems unlikely to me)

Whoops my math must have been off on that my bad!

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Not sure if it’s been posted or not, and I know Pagnotta isn’t held in enormous esteem here, but - Toffoli and Pettersson had chemistry and Toffoli wanted to stay before……we ran out of time…

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Not sure if it’s been posted or not, and I know Pagnotta isn’t held in enormous esteem here, but - Toffoli and Pettersson had chemistry and Toffoli wanted to stay before……we ran out of time…

Doesn’t help team speed.

But open if it’s cheap and short.

 

[Flik]

Here's my attempt at a dream team.

Trade Hronek. Use assets to dump Mikheyev, save the rest for the trade deadline.

Sign Guentzel, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev.

Also somehow Lekkerimaki surprises and is ready to rumble.

This leaves us with 60k in cap space. If we can also dump Poolman we'll have a bunch of room to add at the trade deadline.

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[Svencouver]

Zadorov over Hronek is an overreaction imo. Hughes has sung the praises of Hronek as a true, excellent long-term RHD partner, and the first half of the season had them as consistently the most elite pairing in the league. Zadorov is more charismatic, hits big, and had a much better playoffs, but I just dont see a universe where you can pay 5m+ to a bottom pairing guy. Only exception to this is if the team sits down with him and gets a commitment to move to the right side like was tried in the playoffs, and thus have him as a long-term top 4 fixture that keeps the D big and tough, but even then, that's a big gamble, imo.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Zadorov over Hronek is an overreaction imo. Hughes has sung the praises of Hronek as a true, excellent long-term RHD partner, and the first half of the season had them as consistently the most elite pairing in the league. Zadorov is more charismatic, hits big, and had a much better playoffs, but I just dont see a universe where you can pay 5m+ to a bottom pairing guy. Only exception to this is if the team sits down with him and gets a commitment to move to the right side like was tried in the playoffs, and thus have him as a long-term top 4 fixture that keeps the D big and tough, but even then, that's a big gamble, imo.

Hronek is the better player but the 8Mill per a year he's asking for scares me away.

We can get assets for Hronek but not for Zad.

Preferably we bring back both however.

 

[Svencouver]

Assuming we can't move Mikheyev, I'd probably go with something like this if we could get Zadorov on the right side:

Sign Lindholm at 7m if we cant bag Guentzel. Sign Dillon to take up the slack on the PK with Cole and Myers gone and to be a steady vet for Juulsen/whoever we call up from Abby if need be. Put Garland on EP's wing; he's looked good there in the past, and could really catch fire on a truly elite line with Guentzel finishing. With Garland in the top 6, I think you can sleep pretty easy letting Joshua go. If you actually get Lekk playing in the NHL in the top 6 by some miracle (in reality, I think he's going to be in the AHL all year, and will have some adjusting and growing to do), you really have nothing to worry about since we're already winning the cup.

Next season should be a big "what can we get from Abbotsford" season, imo. Raty has been great, and it's going to be now or never for some guys like Woo, as well. I think the biggest step down from our current roster is the 3rd line; How good that bottom 6 is really depends on Mikheyev being better with a full offseason of rest and a full healthy training camp, and how good Raty, Hoglander, and Podkolzin can be. Plenty of time over the season to shuffle lines around and move guys up if deserving, too.

This is roughly 900k in cap space so you can bump up Hronek to 7.5 if you really have to, but I think we can get him down to 7. Same with Zadorov and 5m. If they both simply wont budge from 5/7.5 respectively I think you have to let one go, and I would choose Zadorov (re-signing Myers in his place at ~3m) isntead of Hronek if I had to pick.

 

[Vector]

Not sure if it’s been posted or not, and I know Pagnotta isn’t held in enormous esteem here, but - Toffoli and Pettersson had chemistry and Toffoli wanted to stay before……we ran out of time…

I REALLY don’t have much interest in Toffoli. On a short term contract, maybe. Still would prefer Arvidsson over him if you’re going for secondary options.

 

[alternate]

I REALLY don’t have much interest in Toffoli. On a short term contract, maybe. Still would prefer Arvidsson over him if you’re going for secondary options.

For me, Toffoli is okay if he's signed on July 7 or whatever, but definitely not a July 1st type addition.

 

[Szechwan]

Here's my attempt at a dream team.

Trade Hronek. Use assets to dump Mikheyev, save the rest for the trade deadline.

Sign Guentzel, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev.

Also somehow Lekkerimaki surprises and is ready to rumble.

This leaves us with 60k in cap space. If we can also dump Poolman we'll have a bunch of room to add at the trade deadline.

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Suter/Bluegar was our 3/4 C for a good chunk of the most successful part of our season... I would rather go back to that and spend Lindholm's 7m on winger(s) for the top 6

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

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Let say his ask is $6 million x 7 Years. Is that worse than Hronek at 8 Million X 7 years.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

A few hard yes or hard no responses from posts above.

Zadorov- under $5m/yr signed for anywhere between 5 to 8 years. HARD YES

Hronek- any contract above 6.5 unless it is 5 + years isn't good value. HARD NO

Myers - give and take a bit? 4m x 6 yrs? YES

Unknowns
Joshua- players perceived value has blown the market. Does anyone have a comparable within the last 5 years?

Blueger- small raise and maybe 3 years.

 

[im gangster]

Zadorov over Hronek is an overreaction imo. Hughes has sung the praises of Hronek as a true, excellent long-term RHD partner, and the first half of the season had them as consistently the most elite pairing in the league. Zadorov is more charismatic, hits big, and had a much better playoffs, but I just dont see a universe where you can pay 5m+ to a bottom pairing guy. Only exception to this is if the team sits down with him and gets a commitment to move to the right side like was tried in the playoffs, and thus have him as a long-term top 4 fixture that keeps the D big and tough, but even then, that's a big gamble, imo.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Hot take but signing Elias Lindhom to a long term deal at 7M+ is going to be a massive mistake.

Praying that the management team is smart enough to see this.

Lindholm turns 30 before the end of the calendar year. We're going to be paying him till 37/38 if it's a 7/8 year contract. It's ok to pay elite players that type of contract like Miller, but the Canucks steered away from paying Horvat that type of deal - they should do the same with Lindholm.

Hoping they're just checking in to see if there's a discount but we're better off trading his rights to Boston for a third round pick or something.

Having a 7M third line centre is just a recipe for disaster. He was great as a deadline pickup because he wasn't that expensive. It's going to be really hard to build a sufficient top six and top four when your 3rd line centre is making 7.5M age 30 and onwards.

He's a good player but don't let 13 games affect his performance in the last 2 years. The smart thing is to move on.

 

[David71]

Doesn’t help team speed.

But open if it’s cheap and short.

team wants to be faster not slower.

If they get a line on an impact forward I expect them to basically be willing to let all the free agents go, if needed, and figure the defense out later.

go big game hunting on forwards. but cheaper deals onn defense? that could be okay i guess.

 

[JAK]

Myers - give and take a bit? 4m x 6 yrs? YES

On a 34 year old?

$1.4m x 6 sure why not, burying it wouldn't cost too much later.

 

[JohnHodgson]

I'm confident that this year will be similar to last year. Low risk and medium reward contracts. Keep finding value and building depth while looking for opportunities to improve throughout the year. This means learning when to walk away (aka bye Zadorov and Lindholm).

Ideal/Predicted offseason:

Trade

Mikheyev/Hronek for Necas/KK

- Necas gets the Caufield contract - it's a fair deal and I think he will outplay that 7.85M number if he's on Petey's wing. I'm more comfortable paying Necas near 8M than Hronek at this point in time.
- KK has been a solid defensive centre to date. If Canucks don't sign Lindholm, there's a huge gap in our C depth. Parlaying Mikheyev's bad contract and filling a hole would be a great use of cap space. If this doesn't work out, buy KK out next year and it'll only be 1/3 of his contract since he's still under 25. The penalty will be quite minimal. Not to mention, JTM eventually should transition to the wing as he gets older. We have no long-term C prospects that have top six potential and KK has the ceiling to be a solid 2C. The fit is there, especially if he's flanked between Joshua and Garland - he's poised for success.

UFAs (mostly using AFP projections)

- Zucker 1Y $3M per -> Previous history with JR. Zucker was producing with guys like Carson, Kerfoot, and Sissons last year. Playing next to JT and Brock would be a great opportunity for him to produce surplus value for us. He could also play with Petey and Necas and that would push Hoglander back to the 4th line. He would be the forward version of Ian Cole this year. Alternatives: Danton Heinen, Domi, Roslovic

- Joshua 4Y $3.25M per -> Tocchet loves Joshua and he's really shown to be a solid player. Canucks give some term for Joshua to reduce the cap hit.

- Tanev 3Y $4.25M Per -> Self-explanatory. This might not be enough... alternatives I like are Carrier, Dumba and Chatfield.

- Myers/Dillon 2Y $3M per -> Bring two local guys back home. Contracts are reasonable given their age - big bodies that the Canucks want to build. Offense might be lacking from the back-end though.

- Hakanpaa 1Y $1.5M per -> This puts Juulsen as a 7D - right where he belongs. Hakanpaas a huge solid bottom pairing dman. Alternatives I like are DeAngelo, Lybushkin and Barrie.

Aman's been pretty good and I think he's ready to step up to a permanent 4C role. If not, Suter can play at 4C - great having positional flexibility throughout the lineup. Adding Necas and Zucker into the top six should give this team a huge offensive jolt. KK with Garland and Joshua flanked between them seems like a recipe for success - KK could be a better version of Bleuger. Suter is an adequate linemate for JTM and Brock, but sticking him on the 4th line to help Aman and Podz would be great depth. The offence is much better as Necas, Zucker and KK >>> Lindholm, Bleuger, Mikheyev. Is the defence any worse for wear? Tanev, Dillon and Hakanpaa can probably fill 80% of what we had last year. I think this roster gives us a competitive chance to do some damage in the playoffs while retaining flexibility and avoiding giving out long term deals to UFAs. The true window for cup contention is 2 years from now when Willander, DPetey and Lekk come into the lineup on ELCs. That's when we should truly go all-in.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Here's my attempt at a dream team.

Trade Hronek. Use assets to dump Mikheyev, save the rest for the trade deadline.

Sign Guentzel, Lindholm, Zadorov, Tanev.

Also somehow Lekkerimaki surprises and is ready to rumble.

This leaves us with 60k in cap space. If we can also dump Poolman we'll have a bunch of room to add at the trade deadline.

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Signing Guentzel, Lindholm and Zadorov to long-term deals is just bad business. We'd cap our own window for Cup contention in 2 years.

 

[dellzor]

My offseason would look something like this.

Buying out Mikheyev would save us 2.6m this upcoming year.

Trade Hronek for Necas (7.25mx8) put him on Petey's wing and he'd be deadly on the PP with the zone entries. Hog stays on the Petey line, I think the playoff atmosphere will be a good learning experience for what he needs to improve on this offseason.

Miller line stays the same.

Let Lindholm and Zadorov walk (as much as I love Zadorov, we cannot be paying a player of his caliber near 6m. Lindholm I think will probably go to Boston.

Re-sign Joshua at (3mx4)

Re-sign Blueger at (2mx3)

Sign Tanev at (5mx2)

Sign DeMelo at (5.3mx4), and Tanev or DeMelo can be switched on the pairings. But I think DeMelo would do great considering he and Morrissey were a great pairing.

Sign BC boy Dillon (3mx1), big bodied guy who can hit and block and put him on the 2nd pairing.

Re-sign Silovs at (1.5mx2) and have him be the main backup next season

This entire roster will leave us with 2.8m in cap space for any TDL acquisitions or incase DeMelo / Necas want more. Extra cap space can also be maybe used on Myers on a cheap contract (2.5mx1-3) as it's stated he and his family love it here and I believe he stays in Kelowna in the offseason?

I think this team would have enough depth on the forward front and defensive front. Having Tanev, DeMelo and Dillon would make it much easier on the goalie as they'd block plenty of shots.

 

[PavelBure10]

I don't mind trading Hronek for Necas, whether Necas centers Petey or becomes his winger it will help Pettersson immensely and give the Canucks a greater opportunity of having a one-two scoring punch from the top lines. Saying that trading away Hronek will leave a massive hole on the backend offensively. Whether you bring back Myers, Zadorov or fill in these holes with Dillon and Tanev, there will be virtually no offense coming from the backend. Sure with these towers on D the shot suppression would be sky high, and there would be a tonne of blocked shots making life easier for our goalies but there would be no breakout plays from our defense other than Hughes. It would also be slow as molasses. I don't mind the idea of trading Hronek but I think his offensive capabilities will also need to be replaced. As much as I love Hoglander, his game and his salary cap is a God send for a capped out team, I would be looking to deal him for a similar aged offensively capable defenseman if the Hronek/Necas deal were to be made.

Allvin and Rutherford have a lot of decisions to make in the near future, I for one am excited as hell to see what changes they make to improve the roster.

 

[arttk]

Doesn’t help team speed.

But open if it’s cheap and short.

Plan c