Canucks News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Off-Season Edition | Not satisfied, so now what?

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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Vector, here, I've taken over this original post. Here's the link to my spreadsheet. Contains regularly updated capspace totals, projected rosters, and UFA & RFA lists with AFP's contract projections.

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[Wisp]

this is just my gut feelings, but Dillon on Dhaliwal's show while they simultaneously discuss Milstein being a poopy butt head for Zadarov's high ask... Feels like the Canucks are applying negotiating pressure through their proxies.

 

[Vector]

Would you guys trade Hoglander straight up for Jeannot? He has a $2.6 mill cap hit and will be a UFA. He would mainly replace Joshua imo.

No. He's had two straight years of poor production, and injured a good chunk of last season, despite being put in a good situation.

Friedman does bring up Jeannot in today's 32 Thoughts. Says a lot of teams see something in him, though. Marek wonders if there's a fit for Jeannot and the Flames. Friedman hasn't heard of a connection between the two.

 

[TruGr1t]

My read is that Canucks aren’t prepared to commit to an offer beyond their initial budget until they know what else they can do in free agency or the trade market.

I don’t think it is entirely up to Vancouver to budge, either. The guy has already been traded from three US teams, and disparaged two Canadian teams. He seems to like it in Vancouver. For a guy that has a tough time picking a place—maybe he wants to prioritize just choosing a city he likes and wants to plant roots.

I think it's a term issue more than anything, not sure why they're hung up on term, but appears that way. Zadorov probably asking for 6-7 years and they're offering 4-5, probably at similar cap hits. I don't see the AAV really deviating too much from $4.5-5M generally.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If it takes 5 or less I resign Zadorov, and I almost don't care of the term... the team needs to win now, and we can deal with the long term contracts later.

Agreed. If we can get Zadorov inked at 5M, you can give him 8 years for all I care. By that point, the cap will have risen to were 5M is irrelevant.

Would you guys trade Hoglander straight up for Jeannot? He has a $2.6 mill cap hit and will be a UFA. He would mainly replace Joshua imo.

Absolutely not. Jeannot sucks, and wouldn't come close to replacing Joshua unless there was a serious regression on Joshua's part.

 

[credulous]

They also don't have much to dangle. No equivalent player. They may be willing to give up Poitras and Lohrei but I doubt both.

ullmark? i could see carolina being interested in a package around him. add in geekie and carlo or lohrei and i could see carolina doing it

 

[Nucker101]

Dillon to me is more of a Cole replacement than Zadorov. Looks slower than ever, probably best suited for top PK duty + 3rd pairing mins at 5v5

 

[Vector]

ullmark? i could see carolina being interested in a package around him. add in geekie and carlo or lohrei and i could see carolina doing it

He'd make sense but that would be a pretty big change in goaltending philosophy. They'd also have to trade Andersen or carry 3 goalies and over 10m in capspace allocated to them.

Ullmark is such an interesting situation because of his 16-NTC and public refusal to waive it. Should be the top guy on the market but really doesn't want to leave Boston.

 

[Horvat1C]

RFAs:
Hronek - 3 years, 6.25M per
Silovs - 2 years, 1M per
Depth signings like Karlsson, Woo, etc.

UFA:
Lindholm - 7 years, 7M per
Tanev - 2 years, 4M per
Dillon - 2 years, 2.5M per
Duhaime - 3 years, 1.5M per

Cap Space: 0.4M

Duhaime - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Pettersson - Lindholm
Mikheyev - Suter - Garland
Di Giuseppe - Aman - Podkolzin

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Dillon - Tanev

Demko
Silovs

Karlsson, Brisebois, Juulsen

 

[Vector]

Dillon to me is more of a Cole replacement than Zadorov. Looks slower than ever, probably best suited for top PK duty + 3rd pairing mins at 5v5

That's exactly who he is. Canucks have 4 defencemen to replace: Zadorov, Cole, Myers, and Hronek. The easy path is to sign Hronek & Myers, replace Cole with Dillon, and figure out what you want to for the 3rd pairing RD spot. Give it to Juulsen or upgrade.

But there's a lot of flexibility.

 

[Vector]

With no updates on Hronek negotiations and the Necas rumours, I figure it would be interesting to look at all the RFA forwards projected to make over 4m.

Seth Jarvis	Hurricanes	RW	22	7y/7.898m
Lucas Raymond	Red Wings	W	22	7y/7.732m
Martin Necas	Hurricanes	RW	25	7y/7.495m
Quinton Byfield	Kings	LW/C	21	7y/7.389m
Matthew Beniers	Kraken	C	21	7y/6.637m
Cole Perfetti	Jets	LW/C	22	7y/5.565m
Dawson Mercer	Devils	RW/C	22	6y/6.498m
Anton Lundell	Panthers	C/LW	22	6y/5.781m
Kirill Marchenko	Blue Jackets	RW	23	6y/5.233m
Connor McMichael	Capitals	LW/C	23	6y/4.385m
Casey Mittelstadt	Avalanche	C	25	5y/5.985m
Shane Pinto	Senators	C	23	5y/5.274m
Barret Hayton	Utah HC	C/LW	24	5y/5.07m

 

[Peen]

That projected Lucas Raymond contract will age strongly for the wings.

 

[Vector]

That projected Lucas Raymond contract will age strongly for the wings.

I don't see any reason why any of the 22 year old should sign these contracts.

 

[Nucker101]

Mittelstadt one would also be a steal for the Avs. That’s basically going to be average 3C money in 2-3 years.

 

[Hodgy]

That's exactly who he is. Canucks have 4 defencemen to replace: Zadorov, Cole, Myers, and Hronek. The easy path is to sign Hronek & Myers, replace Cole with Dillon, and figure out what you want to for the 3rd pairing RD spot. Give it to Juulsen or upgrade.

But there's a lot of flexibility.

You are right that there is theoretically a lot of flexibility, but defense was also the Canucks strong point, and I wonder how much management is willing to change a component of the team that was arguably its best component. To put it another way, if the Canucks make big changes to the defense and the defense gets materially or significantly worse, then this team may not make the playoffs.

 

[arttk]

I don't see any reason why any of the 22 year old should sign these contracts.

One injury away from losing the bag. Makes sense to try to get a contract to like 28-29 and then have a chance for a bigger pay day then.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Just do Hronek for Cernak!

 

[krutovsdonut]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1795149522026496368

Sounds like Milstein is not willing to negotiate really, Canucks know what it would take to get it done but is too much in their eyes.

lol, that is the most milstein sourced milstein story ever.

 

[Petey O]

RFAs:
Hronek - 3 years, 6.25M per
Silovs - 2 years, 1M per
Depth signings like Karlsson, Woo, etc.

UFA:
Lindholm - 7 years, 7M per
Tanev - 2 years, 4M per
Dillon - 2 years, 2.5M per
Duhaime - 3 years, 1.5M per

Cap Space: 0.4M

Duhaime - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Pettersson - Lindholm
Mikheyev - Suter - Garland
Di Giuseppe - Aman - Podkolzin

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Dillon - Tanev

Demko
Silovs

Karlsson, Brisebois, Juulsen

So pretty much the same team as last season but worse offensively and a negligible improvement defensively.

Kind of underwhelming.

 

[Vector]

Was looking through all the teams that may be interested in Hronek. Turns out there's a lot of teams that need a RD or could use an upgrade.

One team that stood out was the Blue Jackets. They have a large amount of appealing players, entire franchise is in some for of turmoil, new old GM coming in, and need to make the playoffs given all the big contracts and veterans they keep investing in. I don't think they are actually a good match for a Hronek trade but their RD have been brutal.

Just look at their RFA list:

Kirill Marchenko	Blue Jackets	RW	23	6y/5.233m
Yegor Chinakhov	Blue Jackets	W	23	2y/2.311m
Cole Sillinger	Blue Jackets	C	21	2y/2.233m
Kent Johnson	Blue Jackets	LW/C	21	2y/1.647m	10.2(c)

Guys they have signed:

Boone Jenner	C/LW	30​	2y/3.75m
Dmitri Voronkov	FW	23​	1y/0.925m
Patrik Laine	W	26​	2y/8.7m

Laine would have to be at 50% retained.

We really have no idea what the Blue Jacket's plans are. I'm not even sure they know.

 

[Vector]

One injury away from losing the bag. Makes sense to try to get a contract to like 28-29 and then have a chance for a bigger pay day then.

More likely they do a 4 or 5 years. Leaving them with one year of RFA or right up to free agency.

 

[Jerry the great]

With no updates on Hronek negotiations and the Necas rumours, I figure it would be interesting to look at all the RFA forwards projected to make over 4m.

Seth Jarvis	Hurricanes	RW	22	7y/7.898m
Lucas Raymond	Red Wings	W	22	7y/7.732m
Martin Necas	Hurricanes	RW	25	7y/7.495m
Quinton Byfield	Kings	LW/C	21	7y/7.389m
Matthew Beniers	Kraken	C	21	7y/6.637m
Cole Perfetti	Jets	LW/C	22	7y/5.565m
Dawson Mercer	Devils	RW/C	22	6y/6.498m
Anton Lundell	Panthers	C/LW	22	6y/5.781m
Kirill Marchenko	Blue Jackets	RW	23	6y/5.233m
Connor McMichael	Capitals	LW/C	23	6y/4.385m
Casey Mittelstadt	Avalanche	C	25	5y/5.985m
Shane Pinto	Senators	C	23	5y/5.274m
Barret Hayton	Utah HC	C/LW	24	5y/5.07m

All of a sudden the Kotkaniemi contract doesn't look so bad......

 

[arttk]

More likely they do a 4 or 5 years. Leaving them with one year of RFA or right up to free agency.

I think teams are the ones that want to avoid that

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Was looking through all the teams that may be interested in Hronek. Turns out there's a lot of teams that need a RD or could use an upgrade.

One team that stood out was the Blue Jackets. They have a large amount of appealing players, entire franchise is in some for of turmoil, new old GM coming in, and need to make the playoffs given all the big contracts and veterans they keep investing in. I don't think they are actually a good match for a Hronek trade but their RD have been brutal.

Just look at their RFA list:

Kirill Marchenko	Blue Jackets	RW	23	6y/5.233m
Yegor Chinakhov	Blue Jackets	W	23	2y/2.311m
Cole Sillinger	Blue Jackets	C	21	2y/2.233m
Kent Johnson	Blue Jackets	LW/C	21	2y/1.647m	10.2(c)

Guys they have signed:

Boone Jenner	C/LW	30​	2y/3.75m
Dmitri Voronkov	FW	23​	1y/0.925m
Patrik Laine	W	26​	2y/8.7m

Laine would have to be at 50% retained.

We really have no idea what the Blue Jacket's plans are. I'm not even sure they know.

I keep looking at CBJ, but like yourself, I don't know what they are doing nor what the return could be.

Voronkov would be of great interest. But they would be stupid to move him (though he was previously unhappy).

Jenner likely doesn't move.

I like Sillinger as well.

They also have Provorov who I think could be a bounce back candidate in the right situation.

I'd like a package around Provorov+(say Voronkov).

 

[Vector]

I keep looking at CBJ, but like yourself, I don't know what they are doing nor what the return could be.

Voronkov would be of great interest. But they would be stupid to move him (though he was previously unhappy).

Jenner likely doesn't move.

I like Sillinger as well.

They also have Provorov who I think could be a bounce back candidate in the right situation.

I'd like a package around Provorov+(say Voronkov).

I'd be thrilled with any of Marchenko, Voronkov, of Chinakhov.

I think Provorov would get eaten alive by this market given his public stance against Pride jerseys.

 

[Hansen]

Extract Voronkov from CBJ pls