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[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[timw33]

I did just start a twitter account purely for my summaries.



No idea if I'll have the energy to keep it up there but I'll always be posting here first and not linking to a summarized tweet.

Like Taj....but good

 

[arttk]

That is a horrible horrible idea

not really, there is enough cap to make it work.

 

[Vector]

Dhaliwal on Halford and Brough.

Zadorov:
-contract talks are pretty quiet
-no offer since the playoffs ended
-there was an offer during the regular season but was rejected
-no progress, offers, or concrete conversations
-Canucks did not meet with Milstein at the combine
-term and money is expected to be high
-was open to signing an extension when first acquired
-price has gone up
-some believe that the two sides are not super far apart
-Zadorov has all the leverage
-Milstein played a big role in getting him to the Canucks
-Zadorov loves it in Vancouver
-if he wants 6y/6m, the Canucks don't have a problem with term but do with cap hit
-issue with negotiations is money not term
-Canucks getting back to the negotiations

Joshua:
-not hearing much; pretty quiet

Cole:
-Miller "when Ian Cole talks, we listen"
-Cole wants to come back in a bad way and the Canucks want him back
-need him to take a big paycut; under 2m
-unless something changes drastically, he will be a UFA
-cut his ankle in game 2 against Evander Kane; required 8 stitches
-took a lot of work to get his foot in a boot

DeSmith & Silovs:
-hearing more and more next season will be Demko & Silovs
-management very impressed with Silovs in the post-season
-zero talks with his agent since the season ended
-Silovs will be under 2m, maybe 1.5m

Yogi Svejkovsky:
-is known in Vancouver through the juniors; top guy to go
-Canucks players love Svejkovsky; unique way of teaching
-attributes Joshua's offensive growth to Svejkovsky
-hockey people are always looking for a guy like Svejkovsky

Luke Gazdic:
-realizes he made a mistake as a national broadcaster
-was a rookie mistake; let the twitter trolls get to him
-radio and TV made huge cuts to staff and management; if he started 20 years ago the chances of this happening would have been cut it half

Misc.:
-trying to make trades and free up capspace
-need some UFAs to take paycuts

 

[Bgav]

I did just start a twitter account purely for my summaries.



No idea if I'll have the energy to keep it up there but I'll always be posting here first and not linking to a summarized tweet.

Followed!

 

[TruGr1t]

Lot of this sounds predicated on moving Garland and Mikheyev. I haven't crunched the numbers, but it'll be very tough to keep Hronek if you're signing Lindholm and Zadorov to the rumoured deals, obviously.

If they end up signing Lindholm, it's likely Hronek vs. Zadorov for cap dollars.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Lot of this sounds predicated on moving Garland and Mikheyev. I haven't crunched the numbers, but it'll be very tough to keep Hronek if you're signing Lindholm and Zadorov to the rumoured deals, obviously.

If they end up signing Lindholm, it's likely Hronek vs. Zadorov for cap dollars.

From what I saw, for the most part Zadorov is a 4-5 and Lindholm is a decent 2C, and both are likely to decline soon. I just don't think these are players you mortgage anything for. I would still draw a firm line on AAV but not term.

Would the Canucks be offering these players big contracts in free agency if they were on other teams? If he'd gone elsewhere at the deadline, would any of us want Lindholm at 7x7?

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

From what I saw, for the most part Zadorov is a 4-5 and Lindholm is a decent 2C, and both are likely to decline soon. I just don't think these are players you mortgage anything for. I would still draw a firm line on AAV but not term.

Would the Canucks be offering these players big contracts in free agency if they were on other teams? If he'd gone elsewhere at the deadline, would any of us want Lindholm at 7x7?

I just think you have to commit to a path here. There's really only one option right now of going all out the next few years while you have JT Miller and Demko entering the latter stages of their prime while having Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser in their prime.

There is a clear 2-3 year window right now where you don't really have any consensus clear cut team that's in the way of a cup, especially out West.

You ideally want to have a long window but there's no real prospect pool or budding crop of young reinforcements to suggest this team having that luxury.

 

[arttk]

From what I saw, for the most part Zadorov is a 4-5 and Lindholm is a decent 2C, and both are likely to decline soon. I just don't think these are players you mortgage anything for. I would still draw a firm line on AAV but not term.

Would the Canucks be offering these players big contracts in free agency if they were on other teams? If he'd gone elsewhere at the deadline, would any of us want Lindholm at 7x7?

there are so much ton consider, yes 7x7 sucks if it is flat cap but the cap is expected to go up another 4M next year so it should be around 92M for the 25-26 season and with potential expansion of Atlanta and Utah actually making real money, the cap will probably go up again to at least 96M by 26-27. Even if Lindholm declines into a 50ish point center with above average/elite defensive play, 7M is fine if the cap is at 96M+.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Followed!

Ditto.

 

[VanCanucks53]

Lindholm at 7x7 is not something I would feel comfortable with despite his strong playoffs.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I just think you have to commit to a path here. There's really only one option right now of going all out the next few years while you have JT Miller and Demko entering the latter stages of their prime while having Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser in their prime.

There is a clear 2-3 year window right now where you don't really have any consensus clear cut team that's in the way of a cup, especially out West.

You ideally want to have a long window but there's no real prospect pool or budding crop of young reinforcements to suggest this team having that luxury.

There's some truth to this. But there's also the trade deadline this season, and trades/free agency next off-season, etc. You're closing a lot of doors trying to keep one or two open.

 

[Kickassguy]

I did just start a twitter account purely for my summaries.



No idea if I'll have the energy to keep it up there but I'll always be posting here first and not linking to a summarized tweet.

Instafollow!

(...that's "followed instantly", not "followed on Instagram", to be clear)

 

[Vancouver_2010]

can we trade Mikheyev to some place like san jose since they might be desperate for talent?

 

[Wisp]

can we trade Mikheyev to some place like san jose since they might be desperate for talent?

i'm sure they can manage something with the cap rising. but it probably costs the team futures.

Utah i think is interesting, they got Simashev coming in late this season but no other Russian players to acclimate him with.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

i'm sure they can manage something with the cap rising. but it probably costs the team futures.

Utah i think is interesting, they got Simashev coming in late this season but no other Russian players to acclimate him with.

i was thinking maybe we can trade him for future consideration (essentially free)

 

[credulous]

Carolina and their owner have a reputation for penny pinching and doing everything on a budget.

Beyond AAV offered you have to wonder how much that culture permeates through the team experience. It’s eye-opening to me that Jake Guentzel wants nothing to do with re-signing there.

Have to wonder whether Necas would ever re-sign there regardless of the money offered.

i don't think carolina are cheap really. they spend to the cap every season and they have a gigantic front office relative to other nhl teams. they've got a ~12 person team just doing custom software development for them. the only other nhl teams i know with more than a couple software devs are the knights and the leafs

i think carolina just have a fundamentally different outlook on how to succeed in the nhl

if you look at their moves they definitely like to take on 'cheap' players but i think they are minimizing long term risk more than they are pinching pennies. they're probably out on guentzel because he wants max term and they don't want to risk an unproductive player on their roster in years 5-8 if he declines. they're setup to be competitive every single season going forward. as players 'age out' (or price themselves out) they have the prospects and cap space to replace them because they've never gone all in like other nhl teams tend to do

i don't know if this is the right approach (maybe they never hit critical mass and are simply a top 10 team forever) but they clearly think more bites at the apple is more important than bigger bites

 

[Vector]

i don't think carolina are cheap really. they spend to the cap every season and they have a gigantic front office relative to other nhl teams. they've got a ~12 person team just doing custom software development for them. the only other nhl teams i know with more than a couple software devs are the knights and the leafs

i think carolina just have a fundamentally different outlook on how to succeed in the nhl

if you look at their moves they definitely like to take on 'cheap' players but i think they are minimizing long term risk more than they are pinching pennies. they're probably out on guentzel because he wants max term and they don't want to risk an unproductive player on their roster in years 5-8 if he declines. they're setup to be competitive every single season going forward. as players 'age out' (or price themselves out) they have the prospects and cap space to replace them because they've never gone all in like other nhl teams tend to do

i don't know if this is the right approach (maybe they never hit critical mass and are simply a top 10 team forever) but they clearly think more bites at the apple is more important than bigger bites

No they don't. They go into every season with capspace and accrue as the season goes on. However, I do agree with you! They aren't cheap.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Lindholm at 7x7 is not something I would feel comfortable with despite his strong playoffs.

It makes me hesitant too, but on the other hand - someone is going to get that money from the Canucks this off-season. If Lindholm walks, the Canucks will most definitely be looking to replace him with a similarly talented player up front. Maybe they luck out and get someone a bit younger, maybe not.

The Canucks' contention window is opening with this core, and they've got to go for it. Not many guys singing long-term deals like this are going to be very good by the end of it. But the Canucks obviously are going to be hoping that they give us a few strong years up front while we contend.

 

[Jovofan]

I wonder if there's a chance that we bridge Hronek for 2-3 years to retain him for less money and then offer him more once the cap goes up higher in a couple more years? That would help to alleviate the forward holes we need to fill in the shortterm and also protects us from a huge cap hit and term for a player that the jury is still out on.

 

[credulous]

No they don't. They go into every season with capspace and accrue as the season goes on. However, I do agree with you! They aren't cheap.

they do ultimately use all the space though. they aren't finishing out the season 5m under

 

[Vector]

they do ultimately use all the space though. they aren't finishing out the season 5m under

Yeah, that's the part that's hard to calculate. I don't think they end up actually using all the same and are usually a a mil or so under. Like you said, it is a strategy of theirs to maintain space to accrue and then load up at the deadline with expensive players at prices others can't afford. Doesn't come from cheapness (although waiting until the deadline does save them a lot of actual money).

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I wonder if there's a chance that we bridge Hronek for 2-3 years to retain him for less money and then offer him more once the cap goes up higher in a couple more years? That would help to alleviate the forward holes we need to fill in the shortterm and also protects us from a huge cap hit and term for a player that the jury is still out on.

I've been wondering that same thing. Bridge him, take advantage of the extra cap space for the next couple of years, and then see where things are at when his bridge comes up?

 

[Wisp]

The thing about Carolina is they're terrified of what happens to their market if they're a bottom feeder for an extended period. Their goal is to stay competitive for as long as possible. So they don't like rentals, they don't make short term moves.

That they ponied up significant futures for Geuntzal is uncharacteristic for them. They have typically avoided rentals. That nothing came from getting Guentzal and that they likely will not be able to extend him is going to make them thrice shy.

 

[krutovsdonut]

garland has proven he can drive play in the playoffs and that he can drive a third line and make it an offensive threat. that to me is worth more than the equivalent points from a top 6 or bust complimentary scoring forward even if that top 6 player has better line stats. you have to weight the incremental difference garland makes to his line mates, how much ice time (and what kind of ice time) he needs to produce and the fact a team with three scoring lines has more ways to break down a defence as well as the potential to bring pressure with a three line push. then you factor in his cap hit.

bottom line a guy who produces circa 50 points on the third line with minimal pp time at $5m is worth more than a guy who needs top 6 linemates, pp time and more minutes to score 65 at $7m.

 

[Canucks LB]

I did just start a twitter account purely for my summaries.



No idea if I'll have the energy to keep it up there but I'll always be posting here first and not linking to a summarized tweet.

Listen, if you keep this up for long term, I will make sure i Retweet the living hell out of everything you post and more lmao

This is brilliant