Canucks Managerial Thread | Part 19 | Maybe we are in on Tallon, maybe not? *Post #61

[Hit the post]

At this point Eddie Lack if here is Luca Sbisa.....I'm glad we chose not to have another Luca Sbisa.

Key difference is, Luca Sbisa makes how much?

Nothing wrong with Luca Sbisa at what a #6 left side SHOULD MAKE.

I'm glad we don't have two Ryan Miller's on the team.

 

[sting101]

With Lack instead of Miller, do you think the Canucks would have had a better chance at a bottom 3 pick, instead of a bottom 5? With Miller, the Canucks were a bottom 5 team... With Lack, perhaps also a bottom 5 team. Miller didn't save the Canucks from being a bottom feeder. If that was the expectation and reason to keep Miller, then Miller failed (the calming veteran presence didn't calm anything). I think that Lack would have done a better job than Miller in net, but even if not, I don't see how Lack wouldn't be a better choice. There are apparently franchise players at the top of this draft.

Then why keep the Sedin's or Edler or anyone expensive.

We could put Carey Price or Henrik Lundqvist on my beer league team......how do you think we would fare against the rest of the NHL?

 

[banme*]

We were middling when Benning took over, now we're bad. Both Gillis and Benning screwed up. Who cares who screwed up less.

 

[sting101]

Stealth tank is the biggest indicator that Benning is a terrible GM. Fans have to invent false narratives to justify just how awful his moves have been.

Ahhh yesss......."Scoreboard!"

 

[Hit the post]

We were middling when Benning took over, now we're bad. Both Gillis and Benning screwed up. Who cares who screwed up less.

Well one guy was fired for screwing up. Other guy wasn't.

 

[Ryp37]

Who gives a **** what Gillis said, actions speak louder than words. bottom line, he ran the team into the ground, not Benning.

I like how you hate the guy who wanted to do the same thing you want

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...f-being-a-canadian-nhl-owner/article17892642/

 

[VC]

Well one guy was fired for screwing up. Other guy wasn't.

Yet.

|If the team continues down this path, I wouldn't be surprised there is turnover again.

 

[absolute garbage]

good team with a good core? 2011 was 5 years ago.

You mean when we had the most dominating team in 21st century? Yeah, that was a decent core. Holy ****. Spoiled much?

Again, the core was aging, yes, but still a good one. As evidenced by the first year under Benning.

When a team has the Sedins and good depth forwards, excellent 1st D pairing and solid 3-5 vets in Garrison, Hamhuis and Bieksa, and cheap promising good goalies, yeah, it's a good enough core to start the retool and bring in young guys.

And for the record, that is EXACTLY what Benning tried to do. That was his plan, to make a quick retool on the fly. It's just that he has no idea what makes an NHL player good, so he ended up shipping away the good ones and bringing in trash.

 

[banme*]

Well one guy was fired for screwing up. Other guy wasn't.

I guarantee you the other guy will be fired eventually for screwing up too.

 

[Pip]

Not sure but given that it was a 2 year term, he is gone, and the 5 million is off the books.

We ended up with nothing but a disappointing first round loss while blowing 10 million dollars on the guy. Couldn't even be traded for a late round pick

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Name Benning's top 5 moves at this point of his tenure.

 

[sting101]

You mean when we had the most dominating team in 21st century? Yeah, that was a "decent core". Holy ****. Spoiled much?

Again, the core was aging, yes, but still a good one. As evidenced by the first year under Benning.

When a team has the Sedins and good depth forwards, excellent 1st D pairing and solid 3-5 vets in Garrison, Hamhuis and Bieksa, and cheap promising good goalies, yeah, it's a good enough core to start the retool and bring in young guys.

the core was old in 2011

Salo 37 Samuelsson 33 Luongo 32 Sedin's 31 Burrows Bieksa 30 Hamhuis Ehrhoff 29

5 yrs is huge in sports

 

[NoShowWilly]

Name Benning's top 5 moves at this point of his tenure.

including drafting:

Boeser
Demko
Mccann
Tryamkin
Vrbata signing

excluding drafting:

Vrbata signing
Bieksa for a 2nd
paying Tanev his market rate and getting him signed to term
Baertschi trade and i'm still not even a fan of it.
Not qualifying Weber.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I should have been more clear that no, you can't use "drafting" since 95% of fans would list their team's most recent draft as great.

 

[racerjoe]

I agree with what your saying in concept....except......

Lack is a decent backup not starter. He's had 3 in season stretches where he's played good/above his starter.....Luongo...Miller....Ward....by 28 he hasn't shown an ability to carry a load as a starter.?

Analysts (Woodley, Auld, Melanson, Cloutier, Healy Biron Hrudey) have all called him a good backup and not a starter or endorsed an AHL goalie as a better one to keep going forward.......not to mention his camp wanted 4 million dollars as the Canuck starter with term ......keeping Lack would have anointed him starter and worthy of starter cash and it would have flew against everything you just said about projection with Demko except you would be willing to do it at the very highest level. And freed 2 million dollars to get a defenseman?

A little chronology needs to be taken into context as well.

When our new President and GM were hired our owner was some pissed at the previous regime for turning the envy of the league and a good friend in Luongo into a laughing stalk. Do you think when they had meetings there was a burning desire to rectify this problem? Lack played terribly after Lou went to Florida. He played horribly to start 2014. He finished horribly against Calgary in 2015. He again started horribly this season and struggled down the stretch out played by a mediocre veteran starter (sound familiar) with Carolina. At this point Eddie Lack if here is Luca Sbisa.....I'm glad we chose not to have another Luca Sbisa.

This is not accurate at all, and there is rumors that it was the owner that wanted Lui gone too. Lack actually played well until he was extremely burnt out from not getting a rest down the stretch. Really that entire last paragraph is not factual. He had a bad 9 games with Carolina.

Either way his career sv% is on par with Millers sv%.

 

[Hit the post]

the core was old in 2011

Salo 37 Samuelsson 33 Luongo 32 Sedin's 31 Burrows Bieksa 30 Hamhuis Ehrhoff 29

5 yrs is huge in sports

Year 0 of Benning:

Big name UFA signings:

Miller 33 Vrbata 32

 

[coldsteel79]

Most GM's don't walk onto a team with 3 top 40 picks, 5 good D-men including a fantastic shutdown pairing, 2 young goalies, two prospects in Horvat and later Hutton ready to step in, 2 all-star 1st liners and a big trade chip in Kesler

So yeah he had it better than a lot of GM's who get hired. He dug his own grave

When Benning was hired, Buffalo (better situation) hired a new gm, Washington (better situation) hired a new gm, Pittsburgh (better situation) hired a new gm. The Canucks were in the worst situation no prospect pool and the super stars were mid 30's.

 

[VC]

Year 0 of Benning:

Big name UFA signings:

Miller 33 Vrbata 32

Free agents to compliment the core. Not every move is needed to be about youth, you do need vets aswell.

 

[NoShowWilly]

When Benning was hired, Buffalo (better situation) hired a new gm, Washington (better situation) hired a new gm, Pittsburgh (better situation) hired a new gm. The Canucks were in the worst situation no prospect pool and the super stars were mid 30's.

and they came in and told the owner they could compete.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I feel like every argument has been made and just goes in circles from week to week

 

[Hit the post]

Free agents to compliment the core. Not every move is needed to be about youth, you do need vets aswell.

Compliment to core by making it older which goes against the argument of needing to replace to core because it's too old.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

I feel like every argument has been made and just goes in circles from week to week

This tends to happen whenever Benning isn't actually DOING anything. Once he starts doing things (shudder) his dead-enders seem to disappear from this forum quickly.

 

[Pip]

Free agents to compliment the core. Not every move is needed to be about youth, you do need vets aswell.

Compliment the core like Vrbata did this season? Or how Miller, when healthy, tended to get the majority of the starts and in the case of last season the easier starts.

 

[Hit the post]

Compliment the core like Vrbata did this season? Or how Miller, when healthy, tended to get the majority of the starts and in the case of last season the easier starts.

heh great mentor right? Only reason Lack or Markstrom saw any meaningful icetime was when Miller got himself injured.

 

[y2kcanucks]

including drafting:

Boeser
Demko
Mccann
Tryamkin
Vrbata signing

excluding drafting:

Vrbata signing
Bieksa for a 2nd
paying Tanev his market rate and getting him signed to term
Baertschi trade and i'm still not even a fan of it.
Not qualifying Weber.

Sad that Benning's top move is signing a guy they couldn't even trade at the deadline.