Canucks Managerial Thread II

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You may want to revisit the Kesler trade thread, and the especially the draft day thread, where at one point he was accused of being a racist anti-Russian, right until the moment he drafted one. It was, frankly, embarrassing.

No it wasn't, the whole board was happy as hell about Benning being hired. Hell we were worried that we wouldn't get him since there were rumors that another franchise was looking at him as well.

The board turned sour over time because of all the stupid **** he did not because there is some hidden agenda. I've been browsing this board for too many years and never have I ever seen so many posters agree with each other over the stupidity of his management group. This board is nowhere near this critical even when Nonis was around, this really shows you how bad Benning is. If you can't see it it's because you are refusing to see it.
 
This forum, and this thread in particular, has become a parody of an internet message board. People turned on Benning from his first day on the job and are bound and determined to be proven "right", even to the point of wishing failure upon the team you supposedly cheer for. Bizarre.

The team had a good season last year, and is younger, faster and more skilled this year. Things aren't that bad, are they?

I mean, Benning has made some very clear mistakes (in my opinion, anyway), but I can't think of a GM who hasn't made a bad trade or a poor signing. When you're attempting to turn over an entire roster, there are going to be missteps. Maybe instead of attempting to discredit every single thing this administration does, we could focus on the overall direction of the team. I think things are looking up, myself.

I think some if you are in it so deep you can't now turn back, so we see this doubling down of personal insults toward Benning, and they players he's acquired, when things might start to look a little positive. The forum was toxic in the summer and seems not to have gotten any better.

It's too bad, because I used to enjoy reading these boards, engaging in debate with other posters, and reading the opinions of the very knowledgeable posters here. These days, though, the forum has become nothing but a forum for people to bash the GM, the coach, the president, and belittle and mock every thing they do or say.

I wonder, honestly, if even a Stanley Cup would be enough to change the minds of some of you. Would we spend thousands of pages mocking the parade route?

Agree. The rancour and lack of rational discourse on here turned me off so much that I basically stopped posting.
 
This board is nowhere near this critical even when Nonis was around, this really shows you how bad Benning is. If you can't see it it's because you are refusing to see it.

he got the team back into the playoffs last year and they're 1-0 this year. he's getting results.
 
Benning and HFCanucks:

99.999999% of the people here were excited about the Benning hire - FACT
95% after some posters heard him speak
80% optimistic after his first flurry of moves (Kesler, Garrison, Vey, Dorsett trades and subsequent draft) - I was apart of the 20% now

Left with 30% of his supporters after the Dorsett and Sbisa resigning
20% remained after losing to Calgary in 6
3% after his 2015 free agency trades till now
 
You may want to revisit the Kesler trade thread, and the especially the draft day thread, where at one point he was accused of being a racist anti-Russian, right until the moment he drafted one. It was, frankly, embarrassing.

Perhaps because the Kesler trade was awful? Previously, most either supported the hiring or were neutral on the subject. The subsequent vitriol happened when we started to see his body of work. While it's nice to champion a good season, it's a bit undermind when said season includes numerous poor decisions (Kesler, Garrison, Sbisa) and a first round exit from arguably the easiest team to qualify for the playoffs.

That said, I will partially agree some of the hate has gotten out of hand at times.
 
Benning and HFCanucks:

99.999999% of the people here were excited about the Benning hire - FACT
95% after some posters heard him speak
80% optimistic after his first flurry of moves (Kesler, Garrison, Vey, Dorsett trades and subsequent draft) - I was apart of the 20% now

Left with 30% of his supporters after the Dorsett and Sbisa resigning
20% remained after losing to Calgary in 6
3% after his 2015 free agency trades till now

Yeah on paper he had all the right things teams look for in a potential GM

Then the Kesler trade video came out and all hope was lost
 
Read until I saw people turned on Benning since the first day.

What a ****ing joke, Benning had a **** ton of support on this forum, almost nobody said anything bad. Even after the Kesler trade we hailed him as trader Jim.
Get your facts straight before trying to act as some Internet message board moral compass.

Yep most of us were wait and see, and the real turning on Benning didn't happen until the Sbisa and Dorsett signings.

Then we lost to Calgary in an embarrassing 1-2-3-4 manner. Then he chose not to trade Miller and got a pathetic return for Lack. Then he fired Gillis' highly competent top guys, and a day later our long time well liked & respected trainer. Then he gave Kassian away to Montreal with a pick for Lack. Then he gave Bonino+ for Sutter, and signed Sutter to a massive deal with an NHL first retroactive NTC and the expectations that he'd be our 2nd line center.

It was just one poorly recieved decision after another and another and another over these past 6 months that sunk Benning's popularity here.
 
This forum, and this thread in particular, has become a parody of an internet message board. People turned on Benning from his first day on the job and are bound and determined to be proven "right", even to the point of wishing failure upon the team you supposedly cheer for. Bizarre.

The team had a good season last year, and is younger, faster and more skilled this year. Things aren't that bad, are they?

I mean, Benning has made some very clear mistakes (in my opinion, anyway), but I can't think of a GM who hasn't made a bad trade or a poor signing. When you're attempting to turn over an entire roster, there are going to be missteps. Maybe instead of attempting to discredit every single thing this administration does, we could focus on the overall direction of the team. I think things are looking up, myself.

I think some if you are in it so deep you can't now turn back, so we see this doubling down of personal insults toward Benning, and they players he's acquired, when things might start to look a little positive. The forum was toxic in the summer and seems not to have gotten any better.

It's too bad, because I used to enjoy reading these boards, engaging in debate with other posters, and reading the opinions of the very knowledgeable posters here. These days, though, the forum has become nothing but a forum for people to bash the GM, the coach, the president, and belittle and mock every thing they do or say.

I wonder, honestly, if even a Stanley Cup would be enough to change the minds of some of you. Would we spend thousands of pages mocking the parade route?

Give me a break.

1) absolutely nobody was against Benning 'from his first day'. His hiring was greeted with massive optimism. This only changed when it became apparent he had no grasp of either talent evaluation or the business side of the game.

2) yes, there are a few people who will criticize every move at this point. There are also several with their heads completely in the sand who defend everything he does.

3) the vast majority are looking at his moves and his explanations for those moves are consistently terrible and non-sensical. Yes, a couple moves have been good but his track record so far is atrocious.

4) Benning inherited a powerhouse team that had a terrible 40 games for off-ice reasons. They made the playoffs last year because we had an elite top line and an elite shutdown defensive pairing inherited from the previous regime and rode that and Eddie Lack to a good record.

5) based on what Gillis was saying at the end of his tenure and the players he was clearly planning on integrating, this team would be younger with him here. This isn't some sort of 'feat' from Benning.
 
Perhaps because the Kesler trade was awful?
At the time I don't think it was awful - given the circumstances (ie., Kesler's "one-team list").

However just like Gillis not unloading Keith Ballard sooner - Benning should've cut his losses on Sbisa. It made an acceptable move into an unacceptable one (ie., extending Pizza to that dumb contract).

Just my opinion of course...

Yep most of us were wait and see
Again, just my opinion; there was far more scepticism of the Linden hiring than Benning.
 
At the time of the Kesler trade the only dissidents were some of the more vocal posters and the majority of which are still wait and see or giving excuses such as Kesler forced his hand

everyone else said it was a breath of fresh air from Gillis and that it was a good return and Sbisa cap dump was okay
 
At the time of the Kesler trade the only dissidents were some of the more vocal posters and the majority of which are still wait and see or giving excuses such as Kesler forced his hand
Seemed to me alot of the those that liked the trade - defended the adding of a cap dump in Pizza by saying "it's only of one season - no big deal". I would include myself in that category.
 
At the time I don't think it was awful - given the circumstances (ie., Kesler's "one-team list").


It was later revealed that there was no such list/restriction. Only that ANA paid roughly what was asked at the time. Other teams chose to wait.

If Benning had carried Kesler into the season and had sold at the deadline, I believe he would have gotten a better return.
 
It was later revealed that there was no such list/restriction. Only that ANA paid roughly what was asked at the time. Other teams chose to wait.

If Benning had carried Kesler into the season and had sold at the deadline, I believe he would have gotten a better return.

Serious?:amazed:

I'll have to revise my thinking of that trade then...
 
the kesler trade was what it was.

we can't criticize gillis for not trading kesler and then criticize benning for trading kesler.
 
the kesler trade was what it was.

we can't criticize gillis for not trading kesler and then criticize benning for trading kesler.


Except, Gillis gets criticized for not trading Kelser at the deadline...

If Tony G is to be believed, then Gillis was prevented from doing so by Aqua (who still wanted the team to 'compete'), but Gillis still 'wears' that inaction. Kesler should have been moved then.
 
Benning and HFCanucks:

99.999999% of the people here were excited about the Benning hire - FACT
95% after some posters heard him speak
80% optimistic after his first flurry of moves (Kesler, Garrison, Vey, Dorsett trades and subsequent draft) - I was apart of the 20% now

Left with 30% of his supporters after the Dorsett and Sbisa resigning
20% remained after losing to Calgary in 6
3% after his 2015 free agency trades till now

No kidding. This is pretty much it.

I was initially optimistic, very disappointed with last summer but somewhat willing to see if it was just because he was unprepared and unfamiliar with the group he inherited ... then completely turned on the Sbisa signing which could not have been made by anyone remotely competent. Then last summer was just more confirmation.

Perhaps because the Kesler trade was awful? Previously, most either supported the hiring or were neutral on the subject. The subsequent vitriol happened when we started to see his body of work. While it's nice to champion a good season, it's a bit undermind when said season includes numerous poor decisions (Kesler, Garrison, Sbisa) and a first round exit from arguably the easiest team to qualify for the playoffs.

That said, I will partially agree some of the hate has gotten out of hand at times.

Yeah, gee, no kidding his approval rate would go down after he completely botched the most important trade for the franchise in 15 years. Shocking.
 
the kesler trade was what it was.

we can't criticize gillis for not trading kesler and then criticize benning for trading kesler.

if you went back the majority supported the Kesler trade

they thought it was a good return

or

they thought it was the best return given the circumstances

only 10-20% flat out disliked it
 
Benning and HFCanucks:

99.999999% of the people here were excited about the Benning hire - FACT
95% after some posters heard him speak
80% optimistic after his first flurry of moves (Kesler, Garrison, Vey, Dorsett trades and subsequent draft) - I was apart of the 20% now

Left with 30% of his supporters after the Dorsett and Sbisa resigning
20% remained after losing to Calgary in 6
3% after his 2015 free agency trades till now

While a bit crude, this about sums it up. For me, I grudgingly accepted the Kesler trade, but was quite torn with how Garrison was handled. My Benning of the doubt supply ran out after Sbisa's extension and the various comments implying he sought after both him and Bonino when trading Kesler. This offseason more or less reaffirmed it.

/shot for horrible pun
 
While a bit crude, this about sums it up. For me, I grudgingly accepted the Kesler trade, but was quite torn with how Garrison was handled. My Benning of the doubt supply ran out after Sbisa's extension and the various comments implying he sought after both him and Bonino when trading Kesler. This offseason more or less reaffirmed it.

/shot for horrible pun

I can handle the idea of re-allocating the cap space spent on the blueline (particularly on "left side D"). It's not so much hating the return (not that it was great by any means) - but turning around and handing that cap space to an inferior player - in every way except "meat and tatters" (who ALSO is a left side D) is rediculous.

but that's removed from the trade itself.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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