Canucks Managerial Discussion | Part 18

[drax0s]

Except it's funny when, in the past 2 drafts, you can't list more promising prospects than anyone else can from the 2012/2013 drafts.

Is this a serious argument? It seems pretty obvious to me that draft picks need some time to stand out from the pack?

 

[MS]

ALMOST 70%

Bonino
Sbisa
Vey
Acton
Pedan
Clendening
Conacher
Baertschi
Prust
Sutter
Etem
Granlund
Larsen
Biega
Sanguinetti
Miller
Vrbata
Dorsett
Sautner
Bartkowski
Cracknell
Stecher
Gartieg

I'm discussing guys pro scouted for the pro team, not fringe guys in Utica or amateur college signings.

Larsen played for Willie previously and Brandon McMillan was acquired because Willie loved him at the WJCs. Biega was a Gillis signing.

That makes 9/16 plus two others (Bonino, Clendening) who were playing college hockey in Boston when Benning/Weisbrod were based there.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

I'm discussing guys pro scouted for the pro team, not fringe guys in Utica or amateur college signings.

Larsen played for Willie previously and Brandon McMillan was acquired because Willie loved him at the WJCs. Biega was a Gillis signing.

That makes 9/16 plus two others (Bonino, Clendening) who were playing college hockey in Boston when Benning/Weisbrod were based there.

The mental backflips one must do to attribute two Boston area collegiate players to Benning but deny he had a role in drafting Demko smh

 

[y2kcanucks]

The mental backflips one must do to attribute two Boston area collegiate players to Benning but deny he had a role in drafting Demko smh

Still waiting for an answer to this: Why do you think Benning is a draft guru? I see you regularly state that Benning's first two drafts are the best in Canucks history, so why would adding more picks be a problem for a guru?

 

[DL44]

I'm discussing guys pro scouted for the pro team, not fringe guys in Utica or amateur college signings.

Larsen played for Willie previously and Brandon McMillan was acquired because Willie loved him at the WJCs. Biega was a Gillis signing.

That makes 9/16 plus two others (Bonino, Clendening) who were playing college hockey in Boston when Benning/Weisbrod were based there.

Plus Prust played for Montreal... Benning's arch rival..
Plus Sbisa, Sutter, Cracknel, and Vrbata all played games in Boston while he was there.

So more like 16/16.. It's like this guy only signs guys he's familiar with with. Dim. Jim.

 

[DL44]

The mental backflips one must do to attribute two Boston area collegiate players to Benning but deny he had a role in drafting Demko smh

funny if true, heh

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Still waiting for an answer to this: Why do you think Benning is a draft guru? I see you regularly state that Benning's first two drafts are the best in Canucks history, so why would adding more picks be a problem for a guru?

I've stated Bennings first two drafts could be the best back to back opening drafts of any Canuck GM and it's true. That's very promising.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I've stated Bennings first two drafts could be the best back to back opening drafts of any Canuck GM and it's true. That's very promising.

So you believe he's great at drafting, and you've said as much. You've stated that all you care about is drafting and nothing else matters to you in a GM. So, how come adding more draft picks would be a bad thing when we have such a great drafting GM and you state that we need to be building through the draft?

 

[mossey3535]

The day Benning starts getting and giving proper value for trades, in line with comparable moves at the time, I will change my tune.

Just like I changed my tune from trying to give him the benefit of the doubt to becoming a full-on "hater" after the trade deadline.

He can't just draft well. He's a GM. He has to everything. Or at least 2/3 of things well. He has to do it now. Values he fritters away hurt us now AND in the future.

 

[Samzilla]

So you believe he's great at drafting, and you've said as much. You've stated that all you care about is drafting and nothing else matters to you in a GM. So, how come adding more draft picks would be a bad thing when we have such a great drafting GM and you state that we need to be building through the draft?

Answers:

-because more draft picks means we'll turn out like the oilers (as they had extra draft picks ["extra" meaning 1 whole extra pick in the top 3 rounds over a multi year span])

-because more draft picks are too much for jim to focus on, he can only handle a few while still drafting with laser precision

-something something gillis something something

 

[y2kcanucks]

Answers:

-because more draft picks means we'll turn out like the oilers (as they had extra draft picks ["extra" meaning 1 whole extra pick in the top 3 rounds over a multi year span])

-because more draft picks are too much for jim to focus on, he can only handle a few while still drafting with laser precision

-something something gillis something something

I'm legitimately curious as to an answer to that. It's completely nonsensical to think more draft picks would be a bad team, especially if you think Benning is a draft guru.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

I'm discussing guys pro scouted for the pro team, not fringe guys in Utica or amateur college signings.

Larsen played for Willie previously and Brandon McMillan was acquired because Willie loved him at the WJCs. Biega was a Gillis signing.

That makes 9/16 plus two others (Bonino, Clendening) who were playing college hockey in Boston when Benning/Weisbrod were based there.

And another named Sutter who Weisbrod probably knew through Calgary.

Anyone think that trade happens if the players name is Brandon Sundburg?

 

[y2kcanucks]

And another named Sutter who Weisbrod probably knew through Calgary.

Anyone think that trade happens if the players name is Brandon Sundburg?

Funny how Nick "Can't Play in Playoffs" Bonino has almost as many points in this year's playoffs as Sutter has his whole career.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Plus Prust played for Montreal... Benning's arch rival..
Plus Sbisa, Sutter, Cracknel, and Vrbata all played games in Boston while he was there.

So more like 16/16.. It's like this guy only signs guys he's familiar with with. Dim. Jim.

Are you arguing (through puerile sarcasm of course, as always) that this group doesn't place an emphasis on guys they've had before, moreso than most teams? Even 50% is silly. And benning all but confirmed that the fas he is interested in this offseason would be ex Boston players.

 

[MS]

Plus Prust played for Montreal... Benning's arch rival..
Plus Sbisa, Sutter, Cracknel, and Vrbata all played games in Boston while he was there.

So more like 16/16.. It's like this guy only signs guys he's familiar with with. Dim. Jim.

Give me a break. That's a pathetic response and you know it.

It's pretty clear that there are a far higher proportion of acquisitions tied to these 3 guys than you'd normally ever expect.

Use 'over half' then if you want. The point still holds.

 

[RangerBoy]

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network about 40 minutes ago. He reported Dale Tallon might be headed to Vancouver. Elliotte said he heard the rumor at the end of the season and the rumor has gotten stronger with Tallon being "promoted" in Florida. Tallon is at the World Championships and there a lot of smoke around him going to Vancouver. EJ Hradek started the whole discussion by asking Elliotte if Tallon might end up leaving to be GM again because Hradek has heard the same rumor about the Canucks.Tallon wants to be a GM.

 

[Canucker]

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network about 40 minutes ago. He reported Dale Tallon might be headed to Vancouver. Elliotte said he heard the rumor at the end of the season and the rumor has gotten stronger with Tallon being "promoted" in Florida. Tallon is at the World Championships and there a lot of smoke around him going to Vancouver. EJ Hradek started the whole discussion by asking Elliotte if Tallon might end up leaving to be GM again because Hradek has heard the same rumor about the Canucks.

Sounds nice....won't happen.

 

[Canucks LB]

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network about 40 minutes ago. He reported Dale Tallon might be headed to Vancouver. Elliotte said he heard the rumor at the end of the season and the rumor has gotten stronger with Tallon being "promoted" in Florida. Tallon is at the World Championships and there a lot of smoke around him going to Vancouver. EJ Hradek started the whole discussion by asking Elliotte if Tallon might end up leaving to be GM again because Hradek has heard the same rumor about the Canucks.Tallon wants to be a GM.

That would give me immense hope for this franchise

 

[DL44]

No, just wondering why its considered such an absolute negative if once upon a time a kid played a season with the coach here or there.

It's a sweeping general negative from the moment go, vs a case by case approach...THAT's the pathetic part.

Ah well...

I'll just continue to look forward to the informative and well thought out 'Benning's boys' posts over and over i guess.

 

[sting101]

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network about 40 minutes ago. He reported Dale Tallon might be headed to Vancouver. Elliotte said he heard the rumor at the end of the season and the rumor has gotten stronger with Tallon being "promoted" in Florida. Tallon is at the World Championships and there a lot of smoke around him going to Vancouver. EJ Hradek started the whole discussion by asking Elliotte if Tallon might end up leaving to be GM again because Hradek has heard the same rumor about the Canucks.Tallon wants to be a GM.

I would like it. I really think Benning if he wants to be here long term is better off having a position more involved with scouting. Weisbrod can go to Utica or go away.

I always had a feeling that when the Canucks hired JB that they might bring in Pat Quinn as a senior advisor. ( I wasn't aware he was as sick as he was...I wonder if Linden even knew)

Interesting

 

[thepuckmonster]

Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network about 40 minutes ago. He reported Dale Tallon might be headed to Vancouver. Elliotte said he heard the rumor at the end of the season and the rumor has gotten stronger with Tallon being "promoted" in Florida. Tallon is at the World Championships and there a lot of smoke around him going to Vancouver. EJ Hradek started the whole discussion by asking Elliotte if Tallon might end up leaving to be GM again because Hradek has heard the same rumor about the Canucks.Tallon wants to be a GM.

Well this is out of left field. I'd like it but I'd be surprised.

 

[Samzilla]

Too good to be true. Benning is here forever.

 

[DL44]

I'm just impressed that we are about burn thru 1000 posts within a week where there were zero transactions... heh.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Answers:

-because more draft picks means we'll turn out like the oilers (as they had extra draft picks ["extra" meaning 1 whole extra pick in the top 3 rounds over a multi year span])

simply wrong. Between 2009-2013 (5 drafts) the oilers had 22 top 90 picks. That's over an extra top 90 pick per draft.

 

[Canucker]

I'm just impressed that we are about burn thru 1000 posts within a week where there were zero transactions... heh.

Passionate fans with a crap team while hockey is still being played.