Ryp37
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They aren't doing the Sedins any favors with whatever this is.
Last year was the most frustrated I've ever heard/seen the Sedins so who knows what managements telling them.
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They aren't doing the Sedins any favors with whatever this is.
Last year was the most frustrated I've ever heard/seen the Sedins so who knows what managements telling them.
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So 25 top 3 rounds picks in the last 8 drafts? 1 extra pick in 8 years is "stockpiling picks"?
Yes, much better to strip and ship assets like to buy lottery tickets and then turn around and trade those picks for junk and/or use as throw ins to get even more ripped off in a deal. Or in the case of the deadline publicly try to ship assets out for picks and embarrass yourself in front of the entire league by failing to get a single asset in return.
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You ever go to a garage sale late in the day? All that's left is maybe some candy dishes, a broken weed wacker, and weird vinyl albums that make you say "somebody paid for studio time to record this?!".
That's basically what Benning offered, except he couldn't understand it. To him that was all early in the day garage sale stuff.
y2kcanucks
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Except it's funny when, in the past 2 drafts, you can't list more promising prospects than anyone else can from the 2012/2013 drafts.
How long does it take to revamp the way a team scouts? If Benning's idea of how to scout amateurs is anything close to how he scouts pro players, we're in for a HUGE mess.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Just wondering....if by some miracle Benning was able to sign a couple of UFA's like Kyle Okposo and Louie Eriksson, in essence creating a decent second scoring line centered by Horvat or Sutter, would it improve this team's playoff prospects?
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I have your gold medal Zippy!
I'd seriously consider "premastication" from you with that puck if that happens.
I'm not terribly worried about it.
American players from good teams that will have multiple suitors who are contenders don't sign with terrible Canadian teams with bad travel schedules.
There are some guys we might have a shot at. I'd be beyond shocked if Okposo even considers us as a destination.
Yeah, I agree. Signing a player like Okposo isn't realistic.
I mean, if you offered crazy dollars over a crazy term, maybe he thinks twice, but he'll probably get that anyway.
I could envision a guy like Erikson or Lucic possibly considering Vancouver, but I don't really see why a Stamkos or Okposo would consider the Canucks as a possible destination.
In general terms, it sure feels like teams make more mistakes on or around the July 1st free-agency period than they do at any other time. I don't know how many of these big money, long-term deals have worked out very well. I hope the Canucks approach this summer with some caution.
Consider also :
Okposo didn't play for the medicine hat tigers
Okposo didn't play for the Boston bruins
Okposo didn't play for the Calgary flames.
Benning in a recent interview actually went out of his way to say they're looking for guys who 'have a connection to our group.'
Which means Luci or Eriksson sure. Okposo no.
They are seriously that stupid.
Okposo didn't play for the medicine hat tigers
Okposo didn't play for the Boston bruins
Okposo didn't play for the Calgary flames.
Benning in a recent interview actually went out of his way to say they're looking for guys who 'have a connection to our group.'
Which means Luci or Eriksson sure. Okposo no.
They are seriously that stupid.
Jimson Hogarth*
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that's actually 22 top 90 picks over 5 drafts.
You guys are vouching for the oilers blueprint.
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guys draft pick are bad because the oilers had a lot and still suck. damn, you'd think the guy with "the best two drafts in canucks history" could do a lot with multiple extra draft pick, guess not.
y2kcanucks
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Why do you think Benning is a draft guru? I see you regularly state that Benning's first two drafts are the best in Canucks history, so why would adding more picks be a problem for a guru?
Yup. They added nearly 50% more picks in the top 90 over those 5 years with only Oscar Klefbom and Anton Lander to show for it outside of their lottery picks.
Evidence that bad drafting will minimize any advantage those extra picks would've gained and, by corollary, good drafting will minimize the disadvantage of not stockpiling picks.
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I've said this before, but how good would Benning have to draft outside of the Top 10 (their stated plan) to get the equivalent prospects the Oilers did in the last 7 or 8 seasons? You'd be lucky to get a single Nugent-Hopkins and you'd have next to a 0% chance of getting a Taylor Hall or a McDavid.
Sure, the Oilers could have drafted better, but anyone that thinks the prospects they've gotten from the draft is the problem with that franchise is out to lunch.
Does anyone here want to volunteer to believe that getting McDavid, Hall, RNH, Eberle, Draisaitl, etc. in a 6-year window is "bad" drafting? That a well run team will have a better haul than that? I'd love to see someone argue that because it looks like about the dumbest argument I can think of.
The story of the Oilers is the story of a poorly managed franchise who can't even turn a bunch of good prospects into a decent on-ice product. And yet the people denigrating it are some of the same posters who think nothing Benning does but drafting matter. Makes you think
Sure, the Oilers could have drafted better, but anyone that thinks the prospects they've gotten from the draft is the problem with that franchise is out to lunch.
Does anyone here want to volunteer to believe that getting McDavid, Hall, RNH, Eberle, Draisaitl, etc. in a 6-year window is "bad" drafting? That a well run team will have a better haul than that? I'd love to see someone argue that because it looks like about the dumbest argument I can think of.
The story of the Oilers is the story of a poorly managed franchise who can't even turn a bunch of good prospects into a decent on-ice product. And yet the people denigrating it are some of the same posters who think nothing Benning does but drafting matter. Makes you think
I don't expect a lot of good from free agency. 28th place teams aren't typically destinations without the team having to do something like add more term or more money than everyone else. And of course you have the NMC and NTCs, which I hear are exceedingly evil and has been the issue with the team despite having more now then 2 years ago.
I don't believe the team is in the position it needs to be to be wasting term, money and clauses on the bigger names (or heaven forbid the lesser names). Stamkos I'd say is the potential exception but I'll be honest and say that still makes me uncomfortable.
I don't believe the team is in the position it needs to be to be wasting term, money and clauses on the bigger names (or heaven forbid the lesser names). Stamkos I'd say is the potential exception but I'll be honest and say that still makes me uncomfortable.
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This is perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this management team. It's as if they primarily target guys whose character is vetted by someone in the "brain" trust. Then they talk up said intangibles to an absurd level.
They must believe if they acquire enough "good guys" they will win hockey games. Either that or Benning and co. are using the Canucks partly as a vehicle to pay their friends
I've said this before, but how good would Benning have to draft outside of the Top 10 (their stated plan) to get the equivalent prospects the Oilers did in the last 7 or 8 seasons? You'd be lucky to get a single Nugent-Hopkins and you'd have next to a 0% chance of getting a Taylor Hall or a McDavid.
Sure, the Oilers could have drafted better, but anyone that thinks the prospects they've gotten from the draft is the problem with that franchise is out to lunch.
Does anyone here want to volunteer to believe that getting McDavid, Hall, RNH, Eberle, Draisaitl, etc. in a 6-year window is "bad" drafting? That a well run team will have a better haul than that? I'd love to see someone argue that because it looks like about the dumbest argument I can think of.
The story of the Oilers is the story of a poorly managed franchise who can't even turn a bunch of good prospects into a decent on-ice product. And yet the people denigrating it are some of the same posters who think nothing Benning does but drafting matter. Makes you think
Great post.
Yeah, Edmonton might not have maximized their non-high picks, but the bottom line is that - regardless of how they did it - they still drafted a ton of talent over the last 7-8 years.
And they still suck. Because their management has been incompetent.
This is perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this management team. It's as if they primarily target guys whose character is vetted by someone in the "brain" trust. Then they talk up said intangibles to an absurd level.
They must believe if they acquire enough "good guys" they will win hockey games. Either that or Benning and co. are using the Canucks partly as a vehicle to pay their friends
It's just bizarre.
I'm not sure if it's by a very stupid design or just incompetence, but in two years under these guys our acquisitions have come mainly from the very small pool of players involved with these guys previously who they 'knew real good'. And it's just insanity.
And you can pick the guys who'll be likely targets this summer by the same metrics.
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Yup, outside the top 20, the oilers did miserably between 2009-2013 at the draft, even with all their beloved "lottery tickets". Drafting matters.
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