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When the Sedins come to a standstill maybe Aquilini will allow some change. How much weight do these players carry in the boardroom? They are able to veto coaching decisions? Is Aquilini helpless to stop this reign of error?

If Aquilini wants to succeed or just avoid being a joke, he has to gas WD. Then the incoming coach must be empowered to run the team as he sees fit. This would be better if it were a coach and GM situation but Benning remain? I cite as evidence the numerous bodies in the Sedin closet. Gillis, Vigneault, Tortorella and Desjardins have dared suggest Sedin remedies. Sedins are still here and are still the top line. Unless a new coach can tell them what to do it's pointless.

I'd try splitting them up. If they won't split, they sit. While they sit, I would relay offers to them. It might be enlightening for them to hear where they are in the marketplace. If they remain united, I put one of them in to cover an injury on the wing. I'd offer it to Henrik first, as Captain. If he won't play wing, I activate Daniel. If he refuses he is in breach of contract and I sue him.
 
The Stig said:
Im not proponent of his work. Im a believer in waiting and seeing how moves work out before automatically hating it before seeing a player or prospect play a game. But clearly something isn't right. If the team didn't get damn lucky, we'd have 2 whole wins to our name. Even if you're rebuilding, that sucks.
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What if you watch other teams/leagues and are reasonably sure said player or prospect will not amount to much? Still wait and see?

I may have misinterpreted your support of Benning. My bad.



Regarding your comment about retaining Linden for the negligence/incompetence of his subordinate, I must disagree Stig. This is the flipped argument of Gillis and his scouts. If Gillis has to own the work that his scouts have done, regardless of allowing them to work autonomously, then that's the way it is. It's the same with Linden. He is responsible, ultimately.


racerjoe said:
No mainly because it doesn't put us any farther ahead. I want futures for any trade we make. Have to be younger than Horvat IMO.

I was doing some thinking about this, I think you do fire Trev as it is more clear that he is in way over his head. What about having Nazzy as the Pres though? He is much more of a hockey guy, it can still be that more of a buffer position so he does not spend too much time away from family (I think I remember hearing this was part of the reason he left the Swedish team), another face of the franchise to make Aqua happy.

I think the bigger piece will be the GM still, but finding the right buffer could really help.
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Linden is over his head, no question, but he's already here and it's obvious Aqua has some idol worship/reverence affecting his view of Linden.

Whatever is happening to the team now has to be a learning experience for Trevor. I recall some rumours behind the scenes where not everyone is on the same page... that there is turmoil. Maybe that's Linden not always seeing eye to eye with Benning/Weisbrod...?
 
Bleach Clean said:
What if you watch other teams/leagues and are reasonably sure said player or prospect will not amount to much? Still wait and see?

I may have misinterpreted your support of Benning. My bad.



Regarding your comment about retaining Linden for the negligence/incompetence of his subordinate, I must disagree Stig. This is the flipped argument of Gillis and his scouts. If Gillis has to own the work that his scouts have done, regardless of allowing them to work autonomously, then that's the way it is. It's the same with Linden. He is responsible, ultimately.
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He is. But like other have said I believe that Benning was a Aqua hire more than Linden. Plus Benning was a sought after GM prospect at the time. As a President isn't nearly as influential to the one ice product as a GM, Im willing to give Linden one more chance. If he makes the right call and fires Benning and hires someone that ends up being a much better fit, then it works out and he can continue to be the familiar mouthpiece of the franchise. If the next guy is Benning 2.0, dump both of them. Or if he promotes Weisbrod. But he seems like a Benning guy. Not a Linden guy.
 
VanJack said:
Local pundits scoffed at the 'experts" at ESPN and EA Sports who predicted a 65 point season for the Canuckleheads.....but as things stand, they're on pace for 60.....hoping that sometime after the U.S. Thanksgiving (the official 'Tanks' giving) for non-playoff teams, they'll start strip-mining their rosters for picks/prospects.
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Hate to break it to you but there's barely anything there to 'strip mine' this year. Maybe we can get something for Miller or Burrows, but otherwise we're not going to be in a position to start accumulating picks tell next year.
 
Bleach Clean said:
Linden is over his head, no question, but he's already here and it's obvious Aqua has some idol worship/reverence affecting his view of Linden.

Whatever is happening to the team now has to be a learning experience for Trevor. I recall some rumours behind the scenes where not everyone is on the same page... that there is turmoil. Maybe that's Linden not always seeing eye to eye with Benning/Weisbrod...?
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Yes this is definitely the case, but people who want to fire Linden along with Benning/Weisbrod should keep in mind that that with him gone to the only one left to start the hiring process over again is Francisco Aquilini.

Linden's green and he certainly isn't as astute as Shanahan turned out to be, but he's certainly more tuned into the game than Aquilini is. Unless there's someone more qualified already waiting in the wings at the moment the safest option may be to just Linden do a broader search and hire with oversight from the boss.
 
If I were Aquaman, I knew that Benning is wrong guy for the job and the team is in rebuilding, I wouldn't allow him to trade away picks just to save his job and make him keep draft picks and trade away any veterans for some value back, including stockpiling the picks and have Benning at the draft table for two more years then can him just before the start of the UFA. That way, no UFA would sign with us that summer and let new GM do his job, reorganize the team back to the winning culture after all, I wanted him to make picks is the guy I hired for, making good picks for us and he is good at it and is not good at assessing the trading market. If I see that is the way to rebuild faster, I would use him to make good picks then can him after restocking the prospect pool in 3 years. And I would continue making Benning to say to the media, our goal is to remain competitive and make the playoffs while thinking about the future swan song just to make some extra cash as much as possible just to rile up the fans even more, making them care about this franchise even in losing seasons but just enough not to cause apathy fan bases by hiring a new management team at the right time.
 
This franchise is in worse shape than a lot of people think. They are quickly losing an entire generation of fans. I know a lot of young kids who had Luongo jerseys and the likes who were diehard fans playing ice hockey, roller hockey, watching every game and after the Tortorella season it started to go down hill and a lot of these kids now don't even watch the Canucks anymore. People are embarrassed to wear their merchandise and I can't even give away tickets to family or friends kids, they say the Canucks are so boring with no good players and they would they'd rather play video games. This roster and management team needs to be torched to the ground.
 
If the Aquilini's were smart they would cut their losses and restart.

New management and new coach to bring in the new high draft pick.

We can't double down and let Benning waste another pick (I.E. Virtanen).
 
The aquilinis have a chance here where they can do a rebuild and not face any scorn, fire the 3 stooges hire someone with a plan to rebuild properly. Come out and say that the team was ready to contend when they hired the 3 stooges but they messed up. So to save our franchise he's brought in this new management team who are going to bring us back to glory and bring a cup to Vancouver by going younger faster and better
 
Cancuks said:
This franchise is in worse shape than a lot of people think. They are quickly losing an entire generation of fans. I know a lot of young kids who had Luongo jerseys and the likes who were diehard fans playing ice hockey, roller hockey, watching every game and after the Tortorella season it started to go down hill and a lot of these kids now don't even watch the Canucks anymore. People are embarrassed to wear their merchandise and I can't even give away tickets to family or friends kids, they say the Canucks are so boring with no good players and they would they'd rather play video games. This roster and management team needs to be torched to the ground.
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thats the part that baffles me. how can the aquilinnis watch their brand get destroyed? It shows you how incompetent they are.
 
Cancuks said:
This franchise is in worse shape than a lot of people think. They are quickly losing an entire generation of fans. I know a lot of young kids who had Luongo jerseys and the likes who were diehard fans playing ice hockey, roller hockey, watching every game and after the Tortorella season it started to go down hill and a lot of these kids now don't even watch the Canucks anymore. People are embarrassed to wear their merchandise and I can't even give away tickets to family or friends kids, they say the Canucks are so boring with no good players and they would they'd rather play video games. This roster and management team needs to be torched to the ground.
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yup i've noticed this amongst my friends/family. even the 'diehards' checked out and that was after 2014. i know two people other than myself that watch games on a fairly regular basis. three more that follow along and will watch sometimes.

no one else cares or the canucks weren't their favourite team.
 
So when is the Free Willie show? Thought friday would be a perfect day to release him back to his natural surroundings?
 
I guess Aquillini thought when he hired Linden that it would be same as Shanahan (TO) and Yzerman (Tampa)....but Linden is no Shanny or Stevie Y...Owner is going to have to go out in the off-season and find an experienced hockey man to pull this franchise out of the swamp....it all starts there....rest of the hockey ops purge will take place in hopefully an orderly fashion after that.
 
James Underbuss said:
So when is the Free Willie show? Thought friday would be a perfect day to release him back to his natural surroundings?
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I bet for after the Chicago game this week, if it's a losing record: one win and three losses; or even worse. Three day break, then. After Hockey Night in Canada, for less news coverage. A new coach would also have a day or two with the players, unless he joins the Canucks the night Willie gets fired.

I'll also hedge a little, and bet for any night if any of these upcoming home games are gong show blowout losses.
 
Hit the post said:
I'm guessing they'll play a season or two in the SEL to finish off their career.
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That's what they've always maintained they would do. Spend a couple of years playing for Modo after their NHL careers wound down. At this point, yeah. They're just running out the clock. Sucks, but they have won just about everything except the Stanley Cup.
 
Linden steps down and Benning gets fired... new GM comes in and trades Virtanen for an ok vet and maybe others and try's to be a playof team. Few years he's fired, and repeat...
 
iFan said:
Linden steps down and Benning gets fired... new GM comes in and trades Virtanen for an ok vet and maybe others and try's to be a playof team. Few years he's fired, and repeat...
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Or maybe just maybe they hire a guy who isn't delusional about the team's chances as currently constructed.
 
iFan said:
Linden steps down and Benning gets fired... new GM comes in and trades Virtanen for an ok vet and maybe others and try's to be a playof team. Few years he's fired, and repeat...
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Yep ... there's my biggest fear. They dump this lot and replace them with an equally incapable management team.
 
Saw Weisbrod out and about tonight in Victoria at the Royals versus Tri-City game. Suspect he was scouting Michael Rasmussen, the big goal scoring C prospect looking like a top 10 pick in the upcoming draft. For what its worth, thought Rasmussen had a hell of a game, dominant in all zones.
 
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