Canucks Management and Ownership Thread v30.0 (Post #186)

[Hollywood Burrows]

I've been as critical about the Canuck drafting as anyone, but still don't have any problem with Juolevi over Tkachuk.....there's no way this guy would have five goals with the Canucks anyway....the way Willie uses young players, he'd have been stapled to the pressbox every time he made a mistake or in Tkachuk's case, took a bad penalty. Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.

Can't draft a good player cause our coach won't use him, shouldn't draft a good player because we already have these (inferior) guys at the same position. Got it.

 

[CanaFan]

I've been as critical about the Canuck drafting as anyone, but still don't have any problem with Juolevi over Tkachuk.....there's no way this guy would have five goals with the Canucks anyway....the way Willie uses young players, he'd have been stapled to the pressbox every time he made a mistake or in Tkachuk's case, took a bad penalty. Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.

Name the last "scoring winger" drafted by Vancouver.

Here's a list of your best candidates going back to 2000:

- Virtanen - 7 goals in 65 games
- Shinkaruk - 2 goals in 13 games
- Jensen - 3 goals in 24 games
- Rodin - still waiting
- Grabner - 116 goals in 417 games
- Raymond - 115 goals in 546 games
- Hansen - 101 goals in 549 games


If it's so easy, why is this the best we've been able to do in 17 drafts?

 

[TheBleedingEdge]

This really is complete BS that some posters continually bring up.

The only players that were effected were Horvat, Hutton, and Granlund. NHL players don't typically get send down to play in the AHL playoffs period. One reason may be that teams get contacted about the availability of players for the world championships. Horvat isn't going to play in the AHL playoffs. He's earned that right and playing in the AHL playoffs ain't gonna help his development. Hutton was good enough to play in the World Championships for Team Canada so no he's not going to play for the Comets in the playoffs. Same thing applies to Granlund.

This is as much of a non issue as it gets but Benning haters love to bring it up as if it's something they forgot to do.

If you say so F A N.

I disagree, this is a point added to a large laundry list of systematic errors/gaffs/brainfarts and other outright blunders made by a management team that are all first timers.

First time GM
First time Pres
First time HeadCoach

Do you really believe many of the younger players wouldnt have gained by playing more games together under a good AHL coach?

 

[Jack Burton]

Ugh. Just remebering that pisses me off. I lost my mind watching them select juolevi. Not bebause I don't like him but because I desperately wanted tkachuk

Yep!
No bulls**t.....I had to stop myself from putting my foot through the TV.
30 years of following the draft and I have never been that angry. Felt sick to my stomach.
Bo, Jake and Matt on the same line f*********************! What could have been.

 

[banme*]

Benning getting fired is great and all but I find it pretty concerning that the reasoning is that we didn't pick a player that could step into the lineup straight away. If true, Aqualini needs to get a grip, he's not exactly a scout.

 

[KeninsFan]

I've been as critical about the Canuck drafting as anyone, but still don't have any problem with Juolevi over Tkachuk.....there's no way this guy would have five goals with the Canucks anyway....the way Willie uses young players, he'd have been stapled to the pressbox every time he made a mistake or in Tkachuk's case, took a bad penalty. Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.

That's not Willie with young players, that's Willie with ****** young players.
Hell Linden Vey was a ****** young player and look at all the opportunities he got. Hutton has been bad this year and he's still getting loads of ice time.

I know it sucks to say but the Nucks haven't had any good young players - not of the same calibre that Nylander/Larkin/Drai are.

Willie doesn't favour Bae, Granlund, Virtanen, McCann. Looking back in a couple years those guys won't be looked at like NHL calibre players during this time period.

 

[Fat Tony]

I've been as critical about the Canuck drafting as anyone, but still don't have any problem with Juolevi over Tkachuk.....there's no way this guy would have five goals with the Canucks anyway....the way Willie uses young players, he'd have been stapled to the pressbox every time he made a mistake or in Tkachuk's case, took a bad penalty. Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.

Yep, WD is the straw that stirs the drink.

 

[Hit the post]

Yep, WD is the straw that stirs the drink.

Problem is the dribble glass that Benning gave WD....

 

[y2kcanucks]

Hopefully by "summer" they mean "spring" as in, just after the Canucks season ends. I want Benning gone as soon as possible. Hopefully this is in conjuncture with Linden re-signing. Bring in someone who has a clue and let's start the long (5-6 year) process of cleaning up this mess and rebuilding this team.

 

[MikeK]

oh what a mess it is.

 

[Jyrki21]

This was related to an ownership change as I recall

Well not really, or McCaw would have turfed him right when he came in – and it would have been a curious move so soon after the most prosperous era in team history. Quinn was fired after the Messier-led team lost 10 in a row, and it was definitely tied to team performance.

 

[Zaddy91]

Name the last "scoring winger" drafted by Vancouver.

Here's a list of your best candidates going back to 2000:

- Virtanen - 7 goals in 65 games
- Shinkaruk - 2 goals in 13 games
- Jensen - 3 goals in 24 games
- Rodin - still waiting
- Grabner - 116 goals in 417 games
- Raymond - 115 goals in 546 games
- Hansen - 101 goals in 549 games


If it's so easy, why is this the best we've been able to do in 17 drafts?

daniel sedin

 

[Bleach Clean]

At the 17:30 mark JD Burke references Botchford's article about Evander Kane. He says that Botchford implies that Ownership may have prevented a transaction. That it was green lit by Benning, but that Aqua put on the breaks. I think that's significant to what it means for their confidence in Benning right now.

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/11/23/canucks-army-podcast-episode-5-2016-2017

Further, Kuzma implied that a year end GM change is perhaps more likely, instead of canning the coach, where that GM gets to make the call on Desjardins based on a fresh assessment of roster strength.

 

[valkynax]

At the 17:30 mark JD Burke references Botchford's article about Evander Kane. He says that Botchford implies that Ownership may have prevented a transaction. That it was green lit by Benning, but that Aqua put on the breaks. I think that's significant in what it means in their confidence in Benning right now.

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/11/23/canucks-army-podcast-episode-5-2016-2017

Further, Kuzma implied that a year end GM change is perhaps more likely, instead of canning the coach, where that GM gets to make the call on Desjardins based on a fresh assessment of roster strength.

Oh wow. So Aquaman gonna grow a pair and put Benning's head on a pike himself?????

 

[Bleach Clean]

Oh wow. So Aquaman gonna grow a pair and put Benning's head on a pike himself?????

That Kuzma bit was from TSN1040. It was referenced by Price during Canucks Lunch.

 

[valkynax]

That Kuzma bit was from TSN1040. It was referenced by Price during Canucks Lunch.

It sounds like Benning is pretty much tied to the ejection seat with Aquaman's finger on the button.

Unless Benning can pull of a biblical miracle (ie. collecting 7 dragon balls, summons the dragon wishing for Gretzky to be 20 then have him join the Canucks).

Is it too early to celebrate?

 

[yvrtojfk]

Hopefully by "summer" they mean "spring" as in, just after the Canucks season ends. I want Benning gone as soon as possible. Hopefully this is in conjuncture with Linden re-signing. Bring in someone who has a clue and let's start the long (5-6 year) process of cleaning up this mess and rebuilding this team.

Agreed. I don't understand where this misconception from the owners came from on fans not supporting a rebuild.

I think everyone heading into the season knew this was going to happen. Even if some miracle played out where everything aligned we'd still be a 9th-10th team bubble team.

Making the playoffs should always be the goal for a franchise, and anything can happen when you make the playoffs but after 40+ years of coming close but no cup I want change that will help rebuild this franchise to a true cup contender and that will be accomplished through drafting and making smart decisions. None of which is Jim's strengths, proven by all his poor moves and questionable draft choices in the first round. Nothings a guarantee but whatever state we're in won't be bringing this team championships and I'm all in favor of a rebuild.

I think this team could potentially be exciting to watch after a season, and I think it can be competitive after a few years.

Everyone throws around Oilers 10 years, Leafs 10 years, but that was a trainwreck and combination of poor management, owners, and coaching. I don't think they're the standard.

 

[CanaFan]

daniel sedin

Winner winner. Took a 2nd overall pick to get him. Not exactly "easy to find".

 

[y2kcanucks]

Agreed. I don't understand where this misconception from the owners came from on fans not supporting a rebuild.

I think everyone heading into the season knew this was going to happen. Even if some miracle played out where everything aligned we'd still be a 9th-10th team bubble team.

Making the playoffs should always be the goal for a franchise, and anything can happen when you make the playoffs but after 40+ years of coming close but no cup I want change that will help rebuild this franchise to a true cup contender and that will be accomplished through drafting and making smart decisions. None of which is Jim's strengths, proven by all his poor moves and questionable draft choices in the first round. Nothings a guarantee but whatever state we're in won't be bringing this team championships and I'm all in favor of a rebuild.

I think this team could potentially be exciting to watch after a season, and I think it can be competitive after a few years.

Everyone throws around Oilers 10 years, Leafs 10 years, but that was a trainwreck and combination of poor management, owners, and coaching. I don't think they're the standard.

I don't think this team will be a contender until after Eriksson's contract is up. By then we hopefully won't have Sutter or Gudbranson either (though I am worried about what Benning might sign Gudbranson to).

 

[sting101]

From a drafting perspective, Benning actually has done a decent job outside of the 1st round.

Unfortunately he's primarily ****ed up the 1st (and most critical) round so bad that it has set this team back years.

I think you might be getting a little carried away.
Virtanen still can be a solid player for us. But no doubt we missed out on a front line player. Boeser still looks excellent and Juolevi is a good looking player who if he's a top pairing defender probably carries as much if not more value than Tkachuk. I'm more worried about the development paths of these players.

My biggest dissapointment with Benning has to be moving 2 1st rounders (McCann Shinkaruk) 4 2nd rounders 2 3rd's, a 4th, 2 5ths a 6th and a 7th and Forsling for nothing that helps build our future core.

Add in the deadline dump when we all thought we were getting at least a 2nd for Hamhuis and Vrbata had they been pro active could have also returned a decent pick.

 

[Josepho]

Has a GM been fired mid season in the past few decades? Usually it's in the offseason or right at the end of the season isn't it? I think that is the best we can hope for.

Feaster (and Weisbrod!) were fired in December.

 

[yvrtojfk]

At the 17:30 mark JD Burke references Botchford's article about Evander Kane. He says that Botchford implies that Ownership may have prevented a transaction. That it was green lit by Benning, but that Aqua put on the breaks. I think that's significant in what it means in their confidence in Benning right now.

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/11/23/canucks-army-podcast-episode-5-2016-2017

Further, Kuzma implied that a year end GM change is perhaps more likely, instead of canning the coach, where that GM gets to make the call on Desjardins based on a fresh assessment of roster strength.

I'm glad but upset at the same time. I'm torn.

1. I don't want an owner that interferes with operations
2. I don't want Evander Kane and grateful ownership prevented this blunder from happening

I'm hoping when our new GM joins that he can instill enough trust to the ownership to back off and we as fans don't have to worry about any incompetent moves. There's light at the end of this tunnel.

 

[Samzilla]

I'm glad but upset at the same time. I'm torn.

1. I don't want an owner that interferes with operations
2. I don't want Evander Kane and grateful ownership prevented this blunder from happening

I'm hoping when our new GM joins that he can instill enough trust to the ownership to back off and we as fans don't have to worry about any incompetent moves. There's light at the end of this tunnel.

 

[Verviticus]

Name the last "scoring winger" drafted by Vancouver.

Here's a list of your best candidates going back to 2000:

- Virtanen - 7 goals in 65 games
- Shinkaruk - 2 goals in 13 games
- Jensen - 3 goals in 24 games
- Rodin - still waiting
- Grabner - 116 goals in 417 games
- Raymond - 115 goals in 546 games
- Hansen - 101 goals in 549 games


If it's so easy, why is this the best we've been able to do in 17 drafts?

Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.

every good player, by virtue of people wanting them on their team, is a mystical fairy thats virtually impossible to attain

 

[vancityluongo]

At the 17:30 mark JD Burke references Botchford's article about Evander Kane. He says that Botchford implies that Ownership may have prevented a transaction. That it was green lit by Benning, but that Aqua put on the breaks. I think that's significant in what it means in their confidence in Benning right now.

http://canucksarmy.com/2016/11/23/canucks-army-podcast-episode-5-2016-2017

Further, Kuzma implied that a year end GM change is perhaps more likely, instead of canning the coach, where that GM gets to make the call on Desjardins based on a fresh assessment of roster strength.

Most promising Canucks related news in the past 2 years.

Yes!