Ben Kuzma was on 1040 this morning saying the Canucks could shake up their hockey ops department this summer. He brought up the Juolevi over Tkachuk pick several times - reading between the lines, I'm betting Aquilini isn't too happy seeing how Tkachuk is playing in Calgary. Direct quote from Kuzma, on management: "Some of the stuff I don't understand... and that's not coaching."
Canucks Management and Ownership Thread v30.0 (Post #186)
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Good. It was a terrible pick over Tkachuk and I'm not just talking about what we've seen this year. Look at what this team has needed for the past 10 years. For them to pass on Tkachuk to take Juolevi was just another example of the stupidity that is this current management team.
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Ugh. Just remebering that pisses me off. I lost my mind watching them select juolevi. Not bebause I don't like him but because I desperately wanted tkachuk
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These idiots knew before the draft that the Canucks needed help scoring and at LW.
Tkachuk addressed both while making the team younger and cheaper.
Instead they draft Juolevi knowing full well he wouldn't be ready for 3-5 years and signed Eriksson instead.
Now Tkachuk looks like the player this team desperately needs, Eriksson can only hit the side of the barn instead of through the doors and Juolevi is not progressing as well as most hoped.
Tkachuk addressed both while making the team younger and cheaper.
Instead they draft Juolevi knowing full well he wouldn't be ready for 3-5 years and signed Eriksson instead.
Now Tkachuk looks like the player this team desperately needs, Eriksson can only hit the side of the barn instead of through the doors and Juolevi is not progressing as well as most hoped.
It's funny because while Benning is considered a draft guru from his Buffalo days... Buffalo was actually pretty bad at picking in the 1st round with Benning as head scout. He was in that position from 1998-2004, maybe wasn't in place for the book end drafts but looking at these years Buffalo's 1st round picks were:
98(18) - Dmitri Kalanin
99(20) - Barret Heisten
00(15) - Artem Kryukov
01(22) - Jiri Novotny
02(11) - Keith Ballard(!)
02(20) - Daniel Paille
03(05) - Thomas Vanek
04(13) - Drew Stafford
That's pretty bad actually. Where Buffalo actually did well was in the 2nd round and later (NHL draft went to 9 rounds back then), where I count 10 players with more than 400 career NHL games: Kotalik, Miller, Gaustad, Roy, Thorburn, Pominville, Wideman, MaccArthur, Hejda, Sekera.
Perhaps the best draft to illustrate this was 2001. They got a bust in the 1st round with Jiri Novotny, but with 3 second round picks took Derek Roy, Chris Thorburn, and Jason Pominville... and damn but why does that sound like a big concern for our current team
polarbearcub
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100 percent they thought " we already have virtanen .. Don't need tkachuk."
Imagine ,
Sedin sedin Hansen
Tkachuk horvat baertchi
I wish ownership would just step away...unless they want to clean house and then give the reins, 100%, to someone else.
This whole situation reeks of everyone having two masters, leading to all the mixed messages. Benning probably gets different directions from Linden and Aquilini, while Willie gets different directions from Linden and Benning (via Aquilini).
Hopefully. But he needs to be fired before the new year IMO. give a new guy a chance to do something at the deadline and get a head start on plans. You do not want him in charge of signing free agents or trades.
Ownership shouldn't step away if the club is sinking and it is. They should step away once new people are in place and every time I think they have done that. Now they may jump in too quickly sometimes but this is not one of those times
I'm not sure if Benning will be fired before TDL, at the fastest maybe a bit after. WD gotta go first, and usually this kinda move will buy the GM at least til the end of the season.
Hopefully that is not the case.
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I'm really starting to believe Benning might get fired next summer. Wow. I thought it would take a couple more seasons. I'm feeling glimmers of... hope? Is that the feeling? Like maybe things won't be terrible forever? Is that possible??
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Agreed, although I did prefer Tkachuk to Juolevi at the draft (just not enough to view it as a huge miss). But hey, if this is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back, I'm not going to complain one bit.
Yeah, exactly. I'd rather he gets fired for the wrong reasons than not fired at all.
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Sedin - Sedin - Hansen
Tkachuk - Horvat - Nylander
Baertschi - Sutter - Eriksson
Benning could've still been a terrible GM (Sbisa/Dorsett deals, trading for Vey) and still fluked into that 2nd line.
If he was a good GM we could've retooled and I think the pile of obvious moves Benning should've done is growing too large to ignore for Aquaman.
Benning has been very forunate that all of his bad moves aren't colossal blunders. The phrase "death by a thousand cuts" was used last summer to indicate that all of Benning's moves are small and hurtful to the organization - maybe Aquaman couldn't pick up on those. He can definitely pick up on CGY fans buying tickets to see Tkachuk play while the Nucks fans aren't buying tickets to see Jake in Utica.
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From a drafting perspective, Benning actually has done a decent job outside of the 1st round.
Unfortunately he's primarily ****ed up the 1st (and most critical) round so bad that it has set this team back years.
Unfortunately he's primarily ****ed up the 1st (and most critical) round so bad that it has set this team back years.
I've been as critical about the Canuck drafting as anyone, but still don't have any problem with Juolevi over Tkachuk.....there's no way this guy would have five goals with the Canucks anyway....the way Willie uses young players, he'd have been stapled to the pressbox every time he made a mistake or in Tkachuk's case, took a bad penalty. Sorry, but scoring wingers, even tough ones, are far easier to unearth in the draft than impact d-men. And they're already got guys like Boeser and Lockwood in the pipeline anyway.
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