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Canucks Management and Ownership Thread v30.0 (Post #186)

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y2kcanucks said:
People should care when a player is getting all that ice-time and yet is producing so little. That's an inefficient player.
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I care about the fact that the Canucks have been given 18x60=1080 minutes of ice time and have produced only 38 goals in total which is a goal for every 1.5 periods of hockey.

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Blaming Brandon Sutter right now is just scapegoating.
 
mathonwy said:
I care about the fact that the Canucks have been given 18x60=1080 minutes of ice time and have produced only 38 goals in total which is a goal for every 1.5 periods of hockey.

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Blaming Brandon Sutter right now is just scapegoating.
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Not at all. When his primary points/60 is so poor, and yet he's getting all that ice-time, he is a part of the problem. Sutter ranks 225th in the NHL in ES points/60, and his primary points/60 is even worse. Yet he's on our top line. :laugh:

The other part is that Jim Benning built a crappy hockey team.
 
y2kcanucks said:
Not at all. When his primary points/60 is so poor, and yet he's getting all that ice-time, he is a part of the problem.

The other part is that Jim Benning built a crappy hockey team.
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Brandon Sutter, like Loui Eriksson, is playing to the best of his ability.

Other than Jake, nobody on this team is floating around.

Jimbo hired a painter to do the grout work. Is it the painter's fault that he sucks at grouting? Or is it the general contractor's fault for being a moron?
 
mathonwy said:
I care about the fact that the Canucks have been given 18x60=1080 minutes of ice time and have produced only 38 goals in total which is a goal for every 1.5 periods of hockey.

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Blaming Brandon Sutter right now is just scapegoating.
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Sutter is finally putting up some points after being placed on the first line. I mean he was one of the reasons we couldn't score when he was centering our 2nd line.

Even now all he is doing is finishing some of the chances the twins are creating and he is not doing jack for them.
 
Sutter
Eriksson
Gudbranson
Dorsett
Granlund
Baertschi
Biega
Sbisa
Virtanen
Miller

Some solid cap crippling contracts in there and people believe Benning has an eye for talent?!?!? Lol wow

That's a whole lot of garbage acquired through trade, draft and Free agency.
 
The Drop said:
Sutter
Eriksson
Gudbranson
Dorsett
Granlund
Baertschi
Biega
Sbisa
Virtanen
Miller

Some solid cap crippling contracts in there and people believe Benning has an eye for talent?!?!? Lol wow

That's a whole lot of garbage acquired through trade, draft and Free agency.
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Gillis forced Benning to acquire them.
 
arttk said:
Sutter is finally putting up some points after being placed on the first line. I mean he was one of the reasons we couldn't score when he was centering our 2nd line.

Even now all he is doing is finishing some of the chances the twins are creating and he is not doing jack for them.
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Sutter, like Eriksson, like Vrbata need a playmaker to be productive right?

That's who all three of these players are and as a general manager, you'd think Jimbo would know too.

I don't think you're giving Sutter enough credit in the ozone. Because he's much faster than Eriksson, he forces turnovers (and helps maintain puck possession) a lot better because he's fast enough to get to the loose puck / or to tie up the opposing d-man and hold it for the overload until the one of the Sedins can finesse the puck out of the scrum and dump it back into the corner or to a d-man.
 
arttk said:
Gillis forced Benning to acquire them.
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Gillis forced his hand. It was impossible for him to get anything for Kesler. Or after for a Bonino. It was the owners that drafted Virtanen and made them extend Sbisa. And Aquilini traded for Dorsett.

All this could be avoided if Benning was allowed to update his black board daily. He's got an eye for talent. He saw something special in Sbisa.
 
mathonwy said:
Sutter, like Eriksson, like Vrbata need a playmaker to be productive right?

That's who all three of these players are and as a general manager, you'd think Jimbo would know too.

I don't think you're giving Sutter enough credit in the ozone. Because he's much faster than Eriksson, he forces turnovers (and helps maintain puck possession) a lot better because he's fast enough to get to the loose puck / or to tie up the opposing d-man and hold it for the overload until the one of the Sedins can finesse the puck out of the scrum and dump it back into the corner or to a d-man.
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He has no playmaking skills whatsoever and he is a poor 2nd line center because of that. You need a guy to do all the heavy lifting to make that work.

Give it a couple games more and the teams will learn that if they focus on the twins, Sutter will be useless because he doesn't really do ****. Let him have the puck, what is he going to do? Create offense by himself?

Basically he was penned in as a center for this team and whatever line he plays on as a center, he kills the offense for that line. Now the coaching staff has resort to turning him into a winger to make minimize his offense killings effect.
 
arttk said:
He has no playmaking skills whatsoever and he is a poor 2nd line center because of that. You need a guy to do all the heavy lifting to make that work.

Give it a couple games more and the teams will learn that if they focus on the twins, Sutter will be useless because he doesn't really do ****. Let him have the puck, what is he going to do? Create offense by himself?

Basically he was penned in as a center for this team and whatever line he plays on as a center, he kills the offense for that line. Now the coaching staff has resort to turning him into a winger to make minimize his offense killings effect.
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Yes. You are entirely correct and we all saw this in his 20 games he played last season where, like this season, we had too many wingers and not enough centers. The only games Sutter was productive last season was when he was playing the Sedins.

Why Jimbo decided to sign Sutter to a 5 x 4.25M AAV contract no one will ever know.

No playmaking ability at all.

I question Jimbo's intelligence and not in a malicious way.
 
mathonwy said:
I care about the fact that the Canucks have been given 18x60=1080 minutes of ice time and have produced only 38 goals in total which is a goal for every 1.5 periods of hockey.

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Blaming Brandon Sutter right now is just scapegoating.
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We have actually only scored 33 goals in that 1080 minutes of ice time. You're counting the 4 we scored in OT and the 1 the League awards us for winning a shootout.
 
Hit the post said:
That in itself isn't necessarily fatal.

Problem is, we don't have alot of "playmaking forwards" - course Benning knew that before he went for Sutter.
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To be honest, it is generally somewhat fatal when you're talking about scoring line centres.
 
Bleach Clean said:
The interesting thing here is that not everyone agrees that this is the best way to re-tool... There has been support for Benning's method of Packaging picks + futures for mid-aged players. Also, an aversion to cycling vets per possession metrics.

It's interesting to me that posters can be so divergent on how to re-tool, given the fact that every GM has a limited amount of resources with which to re-tool.
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That's the whole point. You not only have a finite supply of assets but some of them are also rapidly depreciating. This management group has taken so many stupid gambles and the problem with that is that those assets are never coming back. The only way to get more is to get lucky in the later rounds of the draft and to sign free agents, but looking at Loui's contract and the failure to move expiring contracts here it doesn't seem plausible that we'll be gaining assets anytime soon.
 
The Drop said:
Gillis forced his hand. It was impossible for him to get anything for Kesler. Or after for a Bonino. It was the owners that drafted Virtanen and made them extend Sbisa. And Aquilini traded for Dorsett.

All this could be avoided if Benning was allowed to update his black board daily. He's got an eye for talent. He saw something special in Sbisa.
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Don't forget Willie forcing Benning to sign Vey and Etem. Poor Benning not getting the chance to build his team without all these roadblocks.
 
TraderJim said:
Don't forget Willie forcing Benning to sign Vey and Etem. Poor Benning not getting the chance to build his team without all these roadblocks.
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Poor guy. He was forced to give away McCann and a high 2nd round pick to Florida or they said he wouldn't be allowed to eat Fish crackers anymore.
 
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