BobClarkesfrontteeth
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And the Leafs get significantly worse. lol
with his play and contract right now the only way the Canucks can move his contract is in a Patches type deal. Except they get back half of the nothing Vegas got back.
Friedman: Canucks give Brock Boeser's agent the permission to speak with other teams
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with his play and contract right now the only way the Canucks can move his contract is in a Patches type deal. Except they get back half of the nothing Vegas got back.
BobClarkesfrontteeth
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JR is a mad genius type. When it goes good he gets you cups but when it goes bad well...... Just ask Pittsburg fans and Hurricanes fans.
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This doesn’t make a lot of sense.
They want to trade him so they scratch him? On hockey fights cancer night when his dad had cancer (among other diseases); and top it off Friedman’s rumour unconfined by either side?
If they (meaning both the team and agent) are having trouble trading him the last thing you do is scratch him and let out a rumour his agent can speak with other teams. That’s the kind of thing you do to light a fire under somebody - maybe with a view to a late or off season trade.
Even with his contract, the in-season cap crunch, and his recent poor (by Boeser’s standards) play, I find it hard to believe he isn’t tradeable. Plenty of ok (not great) offers in this thread for example.
They want to trade him so they scratch him? On hockey fights cancer night when his dad had cancer (among other diseases); and top it off Friedman’s rumour unconfined by either side?
If they (meaning both the team and agent) are having trouble trading him the last thing you do is scratch him and let out a rumour his agent can speak with other teams. That’s the kind of thing you do to light a fire under somebody - maybe with a view to a late or off season trade.
Even with his contract, the in-season cap crunch, and his recent poor (by Boeser’s standards) play, I find it hard to believe he isn’t tradeable. Plenty of ok (not great) offers in this thread for example.
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$6.6 mill x 3 years. For a shoot first player who only has 2 goals at 5on5 in 19 games and paced for 10 last season. When you consider his weak agility and lack of going to the difficult areas as well, I can't see Boeser returning much
BWJM
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Vancouver needs to make as many trades as possible.
They need to change the dynamic of the whole organization. The team has felt off since the cup run & firing of Gillis. I’d say they’re cursed.
Start with Boeser, Pearson, Myers and Garland.
They need to change the dynamic of the whole organization. The team has felt off since the cup run & firing of Gillis. I’d say they’re cursed.
Start with Boeser, Pearson, Myers and Garland.
I’m shocked to see the low balls to be honest. Boeser is a good player, I think this is a classic case of a player in need of a change in scenery. From COVID to his fathers illness I think he has dealt with a lot of stuff over the past few years - not to mention all the hockey related stuff to in vancouver.
This would be a great buy low opportunity. He’s young and I think that deal is not bad if he can return to his form and I think he has a good chance of doing so with a change of scenery.
From the habs POV, I would do Floridas 1st and then I might try to include one of Gallagher, Armia or Hoffman in the deal. Something like that.
This would be a great buy low opportunity. He’s young and I think that deal is not bad if he can return to his form and I think he has a good chance of doing so with a change of scenery.
From the habs POV, I would do Floridas 1st and then I might try to include one of Gallagher, Armia or Hoffman in the deal. Something like that.
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Currently pacing for 65 points this season. Feels like people think you get more than that for 6.5m but that seems about right to me.
And he has a 65 point per 82 games for his career too
And he has a 65 point per 82 games for his career too
Yeah I don’t believe for a second they scratched him on hockey fights cancer night for trade reasons. He may get traded but they likely have him the night off to grieve and remember his father.
WOOF.
His lack of speed can be overcome in the offensive zone in the right system but he’s become an absolute turnstyle liability 5 on 5.
This is the profile of a guy who should be playing bottom six minutes in a completely sheltered role who gets PP and situational usage in the o-zone.
No top quality scoring line can gloss over this poor of play away from the puck and hope to be maximizing their results. It’s like attaching an anchor.
Maybe he’s still unhealthy. Maybe his head or heart just isn’t in it at the moment. Maybe he can turn it around on another team…the problem is that contract doesn’t allow for a lot of “maybes”.
His point totals this season are fools gold. Even Canucks fans realize this….probably more than anybody. Doesn’t mean he can never turn it around but he’s been bad. The contract is bad.
His lack of speed can be overcome in the offensive zone in the right system but he’s become an absolute turnstyle liability 5 on 5.
This is the profile of a guy who should be playing bottom six minutes in a completely sheltered role who gets PP and situational usage in the o-zone.
No top quality scoring line can gloss over this poor of play away from the puck and hope to be maximizing their results. It’s like attaching an anchor.
Maybe he’s still unhealthy. Maybe his head or heart just isn’t in it at the moment. Maybe he can turn it around on another team…the problem is that contract doesn’t allow for a lot of “maybes”.
If that were the only or best way to judge a player’s on ice impact in 2022 you might have a point. Fortunately we have far advanced past that point.
His point totals this season are fools gold. Even Canucks fans realize this….probably more than anybody. Doesn’t mean he can never turn it around but he’s been bad. The contract is bad.
I agree . I’m not a canucks fan but i think brock is still a good player. Anyone saying otherwise I think can’t see the big picture with him. He’s dealt with a lot of stuff over past few years I think a change of scenery would do wonders for him.
yea but your advanced stats ignore the fact that he has had a tough few years personally. I think a change of scenery will do wonders for him and not to mention Vancouver has been a tire fire for the past 2 years, some of those personal advanced stats you mentionned are also because the team was bad.WOOF.
His lack of speed can be overcome in the offensive zone in the right system but he’s become an absolute turnstyle liability 5 on 5.
This is the profile of a guy who should be playing bottom six minutes in a completely sheltered role who gets PP and situational usage in the o-zone.
No top quality scoring line can gloss over this poor of play away from the puck and hope to be maximizing their results. It’s like attaching an anchor.
Maybe he’s still unhealthy. Maybe his head or heart just isn’t in it at the moment. Maybe he can turn it around on another team…the problem is that contract doesn’t allow for a lot of “maybes”.
If that were the only or best way to judge a player’s on ice impact in 2022 you might have a point. Fortunately we have far advanced past that point.
His point totals this season are fools gold. Even Canucks fans realize this….probably more than anybody. Doesn’t mean he can never turn it around but he’s been bad. The contract is bad.
I’d take a flyer on him for sure. I hate advanced stats so much it’s crazy. Some people treat them like it’s the only thing that matters.
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I do wonder if Vancouver would retain… Honestly, would love him in Winnioeg. Close to home and has enough players offensively around him that he doesn’t have to be “THE” guy.
Did I not mention that maybe he’s not healthy and maybe his heart isn’t in it?
The advanced stats are not “the problem”. They just show his effectiveness or lack thereof. Of course they don’t take into account what Brock may be going through or that he can potentially turn it around.
The problem is his contract and the risk/reward involved by taking a “flier” in 6.65 per year.
Brock seems like a great dude but he’s been flat out bad. Analytics are not a personal attack on him nor are they saying he can’t be better. They are saying don’t just parrot “65 point pace” and say that tells you the story of how he is playing.
Ok but don’t just parrot advanced stats either. There’s likely a reason for it.
And again, 6.65M for 3 years really isn’t that bad for someone who has 65 points and bad advanced stats. If that’s the floor, it’s a really a fine contract. There are far worse out there.
So the flyer I referred to is not : it either becomes a terrible contract or an ok one ….the flyer is it is an okay contract or a good one if he can return to form.
Advanced stats are so overused it’s crazy…every once and a while I’ll see someone post a chart like the one you did and then go to form a whole opinion on a player based on that alone.
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If this club was smart, they would deal Horvat first then move Boeser up the lineup and try and build his value….
Totally fair
My rule is generally you have the three catagories:
- Points / production
- Fancy stats
- Eye test
If a guy passes 2 of 3, I’d put less wait on the other. If he fails 2 of 3 - good chance the other is an outlier.
Brock’s production looks fine on the surface. His analytics suck. And he fails the eye test. One doesn’t need to spend much time in Canucks GDT posts to realize this.
I mean, he’s not being potentially shopped because he’s playing well. He’s being shopped because he’s playing bad.
He’s been a good player before. And has gone through some shit to put it lightly. But he’s also looked slower than ever due to injuries and this league is hard on players who have lost a step. Risky and tricky deal for both Vancouver and any suitor I would say. I have no idea what a deal would be structured like to be honest or what his value actually is on the trade market.
Ledge And Dairy
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Im not huge on 20 game sample sizes like this because they rarely show the whole picture. Look at the graphs for Josh Anderson, Mikko Rantanen, and Victor Hedman, they really aren't much different right nowWOOF.
His lack of speed can be overcome in the offensive zone in the right system but he’s become an absolute turnstyle liability 5 on 5.
This is the profile of a guy who should be playing bottom six minutes in a completely sheltered role who gets PP and situational usage in the o-zone.
No top quality scoring line can gloss over this poor of play away from the puck and hope to be maximizing their results. It’s like attaching an anchor.
Maybe he’s still unhealthy. Maybe his head or heart just isn’t in it at the moment. Maybe he can turn it around on another team…the problem is that contract doesn’t allow for a lot of “maybes”.
If that were the only or best way to judge a player’s on ice impact in 2022 you might have a point. Fortunately we have far advanced past that point.
His point totals this season are fools gold. Even Canucks fans realize this….probably more than anybody. Doesn’t mean he can never turn it around but he’s been bad. The contract is bad.
Schmidt? Dillon? From the outside seems like Jets have surplus of quality LHD.
Point taken - but truthfully Hedman has been poor to start the year by his standards. And the Avs haven’t been stout this year and that top line is all in on offense only because with the injury situation nobody else can score. And Anderson is one of those guys who GMs love even when the results aren’t all that great. Certainly none of these examples are defined by a graph but there’s a kernel of truth in there, even if not the entire picture.
Again if a 20 game fancy graph didn’t align with the eye test I’d say sure, something else is going on. But Boeser is actually definitely a liability defensively this year in a pretty egregious way and that aligns between the two. And he simply not scoring goals the way he has in the past to make up for the poor even strength play away from the puck. And I don’t consider Boeser in the past a particularly bad defensive player for his archetype of winger.
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We don't have the cap space for him, we only have 1.5 million available. The only reason Fabbro is even remotely being talked about is because with him, Carrier, and Jeanott all needing contracts next season it's going to be rough to fit it all. So adding that contract in isn't going to happen.
Lets be honest here, if Poile was willing to give up Fabbro for him the deal would have already been done, not being sat in his agents lap.
