Yes, but next game is Saturday in Vegas. Then Sunday in San Jose will likely be Demko.
Post-Game Talk: Canucks def. Avs - 4-3 (Mikheyev, Horvat, Dries, Bear)
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Bit of a scramble and a long way from fluid but Canucks should be satisfied with this team win. Lots of contributions from unexpected sources. Refs looked to be into the Thanksgiving brew early and gave Avs every chance to win.
Good
Pettersson - showing more and more character. Seems just as concerned with doing it defensively as offensively. Overall probably our best player, to date, although its close with Horvat
Martin - not tidy but some critical saves. Stopping shots Demko isn't and clearly the #1 at this point. Don't think we win with Demko in there.
Kumenko - good job of shielding the puck and making plays. Goes to the net harder than anyone with the exception of Horvat.
Dries - had a good game. Don't win long term with a player like this but if he can chip in efforts like this does provide some depth. Seemed to have better wheels in this game - maybe looking to prove something to the Avs
Buroughs - liked his game. Took people off the rush well and move the puck well under pressure. He is always going to have some trouble with size around the net but did ok here as well. Hardly anyone can consistently handle the size the Avs have and Burroughs did a decent job. Canucks would have lost this game with Stillman in the lineup. If you want to tank playing Stillman is a must.
Schenn - hardly a mistake all game. Covering for Hughes some. Very patient in moving the puck and rarely makes a bad play coming out of his zone. In our end, is clearly the best d-man and absurd that he makes so mush less than OEL and Myers
Hughes - far from perfect but his ability to lug the puck out of his zone was important in this game. Handling size in his end remains an issue but he make a big effort to keep better position
Joshua - another good night in managing puck movement and play along the boards. Is improving.
Horvat - scoring streak is phenomenal. Having a career year offensively and improved defensively. Another solid effort in this one.
Bad
Boeser - too slow to play at this level. Can move the puck effectively at times but creates no offense on his own and terrible in transition.
Myers - think the effort is there but he just can't seem to keep it going on a consistent basis. Has looked uncomfortable all season and forces passes and offensive plays. I think he is a better player than he is showing but year got off to a bad start and he has never really recovered. Off balance way too often - one of the reason for the constant stick fouls.
Others
Hoglander - had a good third. Needs to stay in the lineup.
Miller - same old story - some good, some bad. Just seems like he can't keep his head in the game at times. You're always little anxious when he has the puck waiting for him to do something stupid. That said, I thought he made a committed effort in this game.
Bear - nice goal but still having trouble with size around his net. Give him some open ice and he looks ok but in traffic he can get pushed off the puck. Trouble is the team has too many defensemen like him and not enough guys who can get people off the puck.
Good
Pettersson - showing more and more character. Seems just as concerned with doing it defensively as offensively. Overall probably our best player, to date, although its close with Horvat
Martin - not tidy but some critical saves. Stopping shots Demko isn't and clearly the #1 at this point. Don't think we win with Demko in there.
Kumenko - good job of shielding the puck and making plays. Goes to the net harder than anyone with the exception of Horvat.
Dries - had a good game. Don't win long term with a player like this but if he can chip in efforts like this does provide some depth. Seemed to have better wheels in this game - maybe looking to prove something to the Avs
Buroughs - liked his game. Took people off the rush well and move the puck well under pressure. He is always going to have some trouble with size around the net but did ok here as well. Hardly anyone can consistently handle the size the Avs have and Burroughs did a decent job. Canucks would have lost this game with Stillman in the lineup. If you want to tank playing Stillman is a must.
Schenn - hardly a mistake all game. Covering for Hughes some. Very patient in moving the puck and rarely makes a bad play coming out of his zone. In our end, is clearly the best d-man and absurd that he makes so mush less than OEL and Myers
Hughes - far from perfect but his ability to lug the puck out of his zone was important in this game. Handling size in his end remains an issue but he make a big effort to keep better position
Joshua - another good night in managing puck movement and play along the boards. Is improving.
Horvat - scoring streak is phenomenal. Having a career year offensively and improved defensively. Another solid effort in this one.
Bad
Boeser - too slow to play at this level. Can move the puck effectively at times but creates no offense on his own and terrible in transition.
Myers - think the effort is there but he just can't seem to keep it going on a consistent basis. Has looked uncomfortable all season and forces passes and offensive plays. I think he is a better player than he is showing but year got off to a bad start and he has never really recovered. Off balance way too often - one of the reason for the constant stick fouls.
Others
Hoglander - had a good third. Needs to stay in the lineup.
Miller - same old story - some good, some bad. Just seems like he can't keep his head in the game at times. You're always little anxious when he has the puck waiting for him to do something stupid. That said, I thought he made a committed effort in this game.
Bear - nice goal but still having trouble with size around his net. Give him some open ice and he looks ok but in traffic he can get pushed off the puck. Trouble is the team has too many defensemen like him and not enough guys who can get people off the puck.
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Johnny Canucker
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It's the strangest start to a season I've ever seen.
The record is terrible and the defensive play is terrible.
But if we'd had even average goaltending we'd be in the playoffs.
If we'd only blown 4 two-goal leads in the first 20 games (which would still be the most by any team since 1990) instead of 7, we'd be comfortably in the playoffs.
And the conference sucks ... so we're really only 3 points out of the playoffs.
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Good analysis, except I would have put Bear under the "good" heading.
Agreed. Not sure what's going on with Demko but we need to keep riding Martin here.
This season as a whole has been really strange. Lots of streaky teams. Why the heck are New Jersey and Boston so good and since when did Hampus Lindholm become Nikalas Lidstrom? Why is Vector doubting the mind of genius Ruthervin? All of these things truly beg the question.
Nucks have had a horrid record against Eastern Conference teams this year but we seem to have held our own against the West so far. LA and Seattle are two good teams and we defeated them, Maybe there is hope for this team yet.
We shouldn't move Horvat at all. Keep him and try and move Boeser at some point if his point totals remain artificially high.
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I think we are really starting to see the Players who are checked out and the guys who are worth keeping. That being said All Horvat has done is driven up his value for both a potential trade and a new contract which is good for everyone I think.
Boeser would be a good player on a team like NJD but, we just dont have the skaters that can lug the puck into the zone for Boeser. Once he is in the offensive zone he is still a very useful player even at his cap hit.
Myers is as good as gone if we can get rid of his entire contract.
Burroughs, Joshua, and Dries have been nice surprises. They are fringe guys But have bought different elements to this team that have been nice to see.
I dont think Miller contract is unmoveable and he still has value around that league but his maximum value was probably as a rental at 50% and not on the contract that he signed this offseason. But I doubt the team would have problems moving him without attaching assets if they really wanted to shed his contract.
I think we should be all over resigning Kuz. that Petey line has been excellent this year and even if its a slight overpayment its hard to find players that mesh that well together and are a net postive value to the team
Hughes and Garland have been meh. Not negative assets but not players who have been driving the teams success lately.
Boeser would be a good player on a team like NJD but, we just dont have the skaters that can lug the puck into the zone for Boeser. Once he is in the offensive zone he is still a very useful player even at his cap hit.
Myers is as good as gone if we can get rid of his entire contract.
Burroughs, Joshua, and Dries have been nice surprises. They are fringe guys But have bought different elements to this team that have been nice to see.
I dont think Miller contract is unmoveable and he still has value around that league but his maximum value was probably as a rental at 50% and not on the contract that he signed this offseason. But I doubt the team would have problems moving him without attaching assets if they really wanted to shed his contract.
I think we should be all over resigning Kuz. that Petey line has been excellent this year and even if its a slight overpayment its hard to find players that mesh that well together and are a net postive value to the team
Hughes and Garland have been meh. Not negative assets but not players who have been driving the teams success lately.
logan5
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I'm starting to think that this is what Horvat is - a 40+ goal scorer. So imagine how valuable he would be in the play-offs now. You just have to re-sign him somehow. Boeser has to go.
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If the Canucks somehow start to win and make the playoffs, it was all because Horvat carried them there on his back.
But carrier contact year…
logan5
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Or for the first time in his career, he is playing with high skilled forwards.
I have so many questions about this team. Primarily, what it will take to get Demko going. If he was league average, we'd be in the WC right now. We're so far behind the 8 ball now though it is probably too late. It's 3 below .500, we're 3 points out with 1 game too many, so 4 points. They need a hot streak, but unless Demko goes back to stealing games, that isn't happening. Martin has been fine as a backup, but he's about replacement level. Demko is below that and it's shocking. I think we go forward with a 50/50 split until Demko gets a shutout.
Agree - Schenn is great at getting that one time shot away from the pass up the boards. Not usually a full slap shot, just a half slap towards the net. No one is set, so it gets through and often causes havoc if not ends up in a goal.
I remember when Schenn first arrived, he was doing the same thing and garnering the same kind of points from it and seemingly Edler took note and started doing the same thing. It was the first time in a long time where Edler wasn't hanging onto the puck and firing it straight into the opposing wing's shin pads.
There was a point in the first half of the third where Myers had three opportunities in a row to get it out of his end and every time he made a terrible pass - throwing a rocket straight into Pettersson's feet, another to no one in particular and the third to Colorado. Each time the Canucks were lucky to recover it, give it back to him, only to have him make another terrible play. He had time and space, it wasn't like he was under intense pressure. He would have been further ahead to bang it off the boards.
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...they are as real as Demko wills them to be.
Aphid Attraction
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If hes valuable in the playoffs then you absolutely trade him to a contender and get major pieces back our way
Agreed with this. While they've probably had some better performances in some of their other victories this season (LA and Pittsburgh games come to mind), this was probably their best win of the season in terms of calibre opponent. A game like this can easily serve as a catalyst of sorts. It's been an ugly season but again, they're only 3 points out of the wildcard in a significantly weaker conference.
That doesn't necessarily negate the fact that they could still start Martin on Friday.
They're a top 10-13 team in the league. Look at the way they punted LA the other day, combined with how they should have beaten Vegas. And of course, tonight's victory. This team could very easily be 3-0 over the last 3 games. If they had received .900 goaltending all-season, combined with being able to hold leads, we'd basically be where Seattle is right now. Pettersson and Horvat are top 10 players in the NHL right now.
Imagine how valuable he would look for those 4 or 5 games in the 1st round
This board seriously becomes unbearable when we win lol we won one game against a decimated Avs squad.
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Cancuks
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top 10?? This team is top 3 in sports bar none, best team since 80s Oilers....heart passion grit and skillzzz whhooooooo...we beat the Cup champs which means we ARE the cup champs now!!!
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