Post-Game Talk: Canucks 2, Flames 4: I </3 Cam Barker

[LiquidSnake]

Jon Cooper and Dallas Eakins are both ready for the NHL.

So was Mike Yeo

 

[Bleach Clean]

av has never inspired confidence with his lineup decisions but yeah this is just putrid

kassian and booth were creating a good amount of offence tonight and lapierre was like a black hole on that line, while schroeder had to try and create offence with sestito and weise...barker's play was self-evident and alberts was once again useless outside of the defensive zone

it's not like these are hard decisions, they're more like no-brainers

Bingo. All that needs to be said about the roster decisions. Take a better Dman out for two depth Dmen, both of which struggled. Then, destroy what little chance you had to create more secondary offense by putting Lapierre between two wingers that were creating.

Higgins-Raymond-Hansen were creating chances, so that worked. But it would have been so much better to get Booth and Kassian to another level by placing Schroeder between them. Apparently not in AV's universe.

 

[cutcopy]

Why do you people want to fire the coach? cause he benched ballard? there's obviously something going on. Maybe ballard is going to get traded and they don't want to risk injury, or maybe the team is trying to see if they can cope without ballard to know whether or not to trade him.

 

[arsmaster*]

Thing is Daniel shot was blocked, could he have gotten a better shot off? Yes but there was a defensive play on the shot, and yes Daniel needs to bury that and neither him or Hank played well this game, and both of them needed to be better but there's 16 other players out there that can also score, there's only one player that is the goalie it's just how things are.

The point, is many are arguing Luongo got outplayed because a puck went in off Garrison's shins....just as lucky/unlucky as hitting a stick while shooting at an gaping net.

Nobody's fault, everyone needs to be a lot better...except for Hansen (and Garrison).

 

[Bleach Clean]

That's on AV, IMO. Kassian was demoted for no good reason when that line was producing early in the season. They clearly just needed time to get into the groove.

That's one AV move that I have liked. Keep what is working together. That top line is the major reason this team hasn't spiraled into an offensive abyss.

 

[ahmon]

That's on AV, IMO. Kassian was demoted for no good reason when that line was producing early in the season. They clearly just needed time to get into the groove.

still if you take burrows, and put him with Kesler, i'm not sure they are talented as other teams 2nd line.

And I have doubts about Kassian being productive with the twins, 4 rounds in the playoffs. Thats a lot to ask of Kassian

And why can't we afford a 5th high end forward? we are paying booth(who was brought in to be the 5th), and ballard a combine salary of 8 million +.

 

[y2kcanucks]

The point, is many are arguing Luongo got outplayed because a puck went in off Garrison's shins....just as lucky/unlucky as hitting a stick while shooting at an gaping net.

Nobody's fault, everyone needs to be a lot better...except for Hansen (and Garrison).

I'd even add Raymond to that list. He did disappear in the third though, but up to that point I felt he was having a strong game and has had a strong season.

 

[deadinthewater]

Bingo. All that needs to be said about the roster decisions. Take a better Dman out for two depth Dmen, both of which struggled. Then, destroy what little chance you had to create more secondary offense by putting Lapierre between two wingers that were creating.

Higgins-Raymond-Hansen were creating chances, so that worked. But it would have been so much better to get Booth and Kassian to another level by placing Schroeder between them. Apparently not in AV's universe.

Lapierre is just pure garbage offensively. He can't pass, missed Booth's pass from behind the net, and was clearly dragging that line down. Yet, AV keeps putting him out there when he's probably suited to play with the new guy (Sestito) and hit some guys instead. He should be on the fourth line. End of story.

 

[cutcopy]

still if you take burrows, and put him with Kesler, i'm not sure they are talented as other teams 2nd line.

And why can't we afford a 5th high end forward? we are paying booth(who was brought in to be the 5th), and ballard a combine salary of 8 million +.

I don't Burrows and Kesler have that chemistry they once had anymore. They're good on the PK together, not so much 5 on 5.

 

[BeardedCanuck]

The point, is many are arguing Luongo got outplayed because a puck went in off Garrison's shins....just as lucky/unlucky as hitting a stick while shooting at an gaping net.

Nobody's fault, everyone needs to be a lot better...except for Hansen (and Garrison).

Luongo defiantly wasn't outplayed Taylor was so shaky we didn't take advantage I agree everyone is at fault.

 

[Orca Smash]

Lapierre is just pure garbage offensively. He can't pass, missed Booth's pass from behind the net, and was clearly dragging that line down. Yet, AV keeps putting him out there when he's probably suited to play with the new guy (Sestito) and hit some guys instead. He should be on the fourth line. End of story.

I wonder what lapierre TOI is at lately, av is putting him out an absurd amount, and I have no idea what he see's.

 

[Tiranis]

So was Mike Yeo

Yeo was horrible with the Penguins.

Cooper has had the fastest and best career rise of any coach in the last 20+ years. He has now taken 3 non-playoffs teams at 3 levels and transformed them into champions. On top of that he develops players out of nothing and every single former player loves him.

 

[serge2k]

Yeo was horrible with the Penguins.

Cooper has had the fastest and best career rise of any coach in the last 20+ years. He has now taken 3 non-playoffs teams at 3 levels and transformed them into champions. On top of that he develops players out of nothing and every single former player loves him.

Which is all great, but there have been coaches who have failed at the NHL level. It's a big jump.

 

[Steve Bennett*]

wtf happened to Alberts? He used to be a good 6/7 dman, now he looks lost, fighting the puck and really counter-productive. I didn't think Barker was that bad, I'd almost be more comfortable with him out there as the #6 if Bieksa is out again. But Ballard, o lord poor old Ballard he must be in the lineup. I disagree with that AV.

I thought Hansen-Raymond-Higgins was pretty dangerous for periods 1+2 but the team collectively went to sleep in the third. Even Hamhuis didn't play his best period.

Thought the Sedins played well again but they can't score every night...

I didn't like how the team didn't have much killer instinct in this one. It was clearly a great team that wasn't playing great and got beat by a much poorer team who just hung around and got a few lucky bounces. Blame AV for another one? I never fathomed that thought before but I can't explain this one...

 

[Tiranis]

Which is all great, but there have been coaches who have failed at the NHL level. It's a big jump.

With his track record? I would like to see it. IMO he's as much or more of a homerun than Guy Boucher.

 

[LightningBurrows]

This random caller makes better points that half of Team 1040 in a 1 minute call.

 

[deadinthewater]

With his track record? I would like to see it. IMO he's as much or more of a homerun than Guy Boucher.

Why hasn't he been hired yet?

 

[TruGr1t]

I mean you have two obvious lines in Booth - Schroeder - Kassian and Sestito - Lapierre - Weise and you have to go and over think it?

I guess Raymond and Schroeder are poor on face offs, but still... Lapierre is such an offensive black hole I'd almost just deal with losing the draws.

 

[Tiranis]

Why hasn't he been hired yet?

Same reason Scott Bowman took as long as he did to get to the NHL. There was a time when Babcock, Hitchcock, Boucher, etc. were in the same position.

 

[Lindt]

Well then it's a good thing he didn't get outplayed. I'm far more concerned about the way our defense gave up some golden chances tonight than our goaltending. One weak goal isn't the reason we lost. Keith Ballard should draw back into the lineup, and hopefully Alberts is the one sitting.

Hilarious. He didn't play terribly but he certainly did get outplayed. One weak goal is one more weak goal than Taylor let in. Coincidentally it was a one goal loss (empty net aside). Tell me again how Luongo does not have a large hand in a one goal loss where he lets in a ridiculously weak goal.

If the Canucks lost by a goal against the Kings then Schnieder would certainly take a large part of the blame because of his terrible goal. I'm pretty sure you would have been the first to point it out, too.

 

[PRNuck]

Lapierre is just pure garbage offensively. He can't pass, missed Booth's pass from behind the net, and was clearly dragging that line down. Yet, AV keeps putting him out there when he's probably suited to play with the new guy (Sestito) and hit some guys instead. He should be on the fourth line. End of story.

Yup, you can see Booth and Kassian are both reluctant to pass to him, get Schroeder out there ffs.

 

[LiquidSnake]

With his track record? I would like to see it. IMO he's as much or more of a homerun than Guy Boucher.

I'd be for it but in a "assistant coach" role and then he takes over if AV gets canned.

 

[Tiranis]

I'd be for it but in a "assistant coach" role and then he takes over if AV gets canned.

With some guys you have to bite the bullet. There will be a team that takes that risk and if we're not the ones (if AV is actually fired) then we'll regret it soon enough. Having watched him in the AHL, I have little doubt of that.

What was Gillis' track record when he was hired? He should recognize this opportunity better than anyone.

 

[Fat Tony]

So was Mike Yeo

You see that team breathing down the Canucks' neck?

 

[Orca Smash]

You see that team breathing down the Canucks' neck?

Has a bit better team this year and they are 1 game behind us, wild still have some really green players and gaping holes to on D. I dont know if that says less about us or more about him.