Post-Game Talk: Canucks 2, Flames 4: I </3 Cam Barker

[Orca Smash]

Salo was anything but a stabilizing player his last season here. He couldn't keep up with Bowness' system and the impact it was having on his body anymore.

Garrison has been a clear upgrade on Salo over the last 10 games. There's a reason he's currently +7 despite taking a while to adjust to our style of play.

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I have to agree with this, salo had trouble keeping up and playing top 4 minutes, he could not keep up with what was asked of him playing top 4 minutes against top teams, the edler salo pairing was a nightmare near the end of the stretch last season, yet like whenever a player leaves, canucks fans seem to overvalue past players.

 

[TruGr1t]

Just don't understand Lapierre over Schroeder plus Alberts and Barker over Ballard. Both head scratchers from the coaches in my opinion.

 

[Barney Gumble]

I have to agree with this, salo had trouble keeping up and playing top 4 minutes, he did not play very well and could not keep up with what was asked of him, yet like whenever a player leaves, canucks fans seem to overvalue past players.

I think that was moreso after the Marchand cheapshot.

 

[BeardedCanuck]

The rest of the team can make a big difference. Prime example - Schneider was largely excellent against LA, but was a big time goat on LA's second goal. However, the rest of the team played an excellent game and spanked LA.

Tonight, similar scenario, but the team ran out of gas and couldn't cover one mistake. But that doesn't alter the fact that, really, Luongo only made the one mistake.

Not saying its all his fault but the position he plays one mistake is so much larger then any player on the ice, so yes the team needed to be better but so did he, as a goalie one mistake causes is at a much larger scale its just the way it is.

 

[pahlsson]

Just don't understand Lapierre over Schroeder plus Alberts and Barker over Ballard. Both head scratchers from the coaches in my opinion.

especially when booth and kassian were looking to have their best games in a while through the first 2 periods

lapierre was just an anchor offensively

 

[LiquidSnake]

But the reality is that Everyone thinks Somebody else's junk is better then ours. Take Booth for example. Most Canuck fans were happy to aquire him. Now he's on his way to Bernier 2.0.

Who are we going to get that is so much better then Booth ?

Who are we going tto get that is so much better then AV ?

MG traded Hodgson away because AV didnt give him 2nd line minutes. So I dont think AV is going aeay soon

MG traded Hodgson because he was junk and a whiner.

 

[cutcopy]

We lost to Calgary.What a joke.This team is in trouble if they keep playing Jekle/Hyde
hockey.

The team just got to Calgary 2 hours before they had to play. It's also a back to back game. They were good for the first two periods, clearly tired in the third.

 

[serge2k]

The disrespect for the Canucks by the league is amazing...

Sad there is not much the organization can do about that. Anything they say against the NHL it will only get worse.

Even small stuff like that faceoff.

How many teams don't get to put a guy in? Imagine if they pulled that crap on Detroit.

 

[Jyrki]

Just don't understand Lapierre over Schroeder plus Alberts and Barker over Ballard. Both head scratchers from the coaches in my opinion.

Agreed. Lappy works hard and is physical but he has no hands, no finish, little vision. That's why he's a 4th liner.

 

[serge2k]

The team just got to Calgary 2 hours before they had to play. It's also a back to back game. They were good for the first two periods, clearly tired in the third.

Good in the first 2 periods?

So good they wound up in a tie with a terrible team playing a third string goalie.

 

[Orca Smash]

I think that was moreso after the Marchand cheapshot.

I dont know if thats the case/excuse then we can be in agreement it was the right move to move on and could not expect him to play top minutes anymore, he was to damaged.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Not saying its all his fault but the position he plays one mistake is so much larger then any player on the ice, so yes the team needed to be better but so did he, as a goalie one mistake causes is at a much larger scale its just the way it is.

Not sure I agree with this. Daniel misses an open net which costed us the tying goal late in the third, yet he doesn't deserve a large part of the blame? That's essentially how ridiculous it is to try to pin the loss on one player (or a large part of the blame).

The whole team wasn't good for a full 60 minutes tonight.

 

[serge2k]

Not sure I agree with this. Daniel misses an open net which costed us the tying goal late in the third, yet he doesn't deserve a large part of the blame? That's essentially how ridiculous it is to try to pin the loss on one player (or a large part of the blame).

The whole team wasn't good for a full 60 minutes tonight.

Bouwmeester blocked the shot.

 

[Addison Rae]

05-07 sabres

Fair Enough. Still think this team is better, there's no doubt in my mind Ruff is a better coach than A.V. though.

 

[Seatoo]

If we fire AV RIGHT NOW who could we replace him with? Arneil? Ruff? Ill pass on both...anyone else available now?

 

[Jack Tripper]

Just don't understand Lapierre over Schroeder plus Alberts and Barker over Ballard. Both head scratchers from the coaches in my opinion.

av has never inspired confidence with his lineup decisions but yeah this is just putrid

kassian and booth were creating a good amount of offence tonight and lapierre was like a black hole on that line, while schroeder had to try and create offence with sestito and weise...barker's play was self-evident and alberts was once again useless outside of the defensive zone

it's not like these are hard decisions, they're more like no-brainers

 

[SillyRabbit]

If we fire AV RIGHT NOW who could we replace him with? Arneil? Ruff? Ill pass on both...anyone else available now?

Cooper.

 

[Orca Smash]

Av claimed we played real hard, and deserved a better outcome.

 

[Tiranis]

If we fire AV RIGHT NOW who could we replace him with? Arneil? Ruff? Ill pass on both...anyone else available now?

Jon Cooper and Dallas Eakins are both ready for the NHL.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Bouwmeester blocked the shot.

Wide open net and he doesn't get a hard enough shot away to hit the net, and instead is blocked by a player who's stretched out his stick like that. Still a bit of a mistake from my view but I'm not blaming Sedin for losing the game.

 

[Orca Smash]

If we fire AV RIGHT NOW who could we replace him with? Arneil? Ruff? Ill pass on both...anyone else available now?

Tiranis had a good suggestion, the more i read about the guy the more I liked him.

There are other options, fans mention ruff, and recycled coaches because its names mentioned on tv, paul mclean whose great was an assistant coach for many years, you dont need to recycle a head coach.

There are options out there.

Unfortunately informed fans are not being vocal on places like team 1040 or likely even listen to the team, and thus the media here keeps thinking there is no good replacement because fans just mention and yell a recycled coaching name to the radio stations and media because its all they are familiar with.

 

[ahmon]

How many high-end guys can a team afford? Sedin, Sedin, Kesler and Burrows are 4 high-end forwards. Burrows, every single year, is one of the top ES scorers in the league. That's not just on the Sedins, he did it even when Samuelsson was playing on the Sedin line for huge chunks of the season. Outside of Chicago, there aren't many teams with more high-end forwards who are actually comparable or better.

The problem is Burrows is the 3rd Sedin.

The Key is to have 2 scoring lines, imo.

What we have is Sedin-Sedin-Burrows. and Kesler on the other line.

Unfortunately, we don't seem have the right personnel to work with Kesler. And can we expect him to carry a line, like he did against Nashville?

Other teams might not have more than 4 high end forwards, but a lot have 2 lines going.

West:

Chicago

1. Toews-Hossa
2. Sharp-Kane

San Jose

1. Thornton- Pavelski
2. Marleau- Couture- Havlat

Anaheim

1. Getzlaf - Perry
2. Ryan -Koivu- Selanne


East:

Boston

1. Horton- Krejci- Lucic
2. Marchand - Bergeron- Seguin

Philly

1. Hartnell - Giroux- Briere
2. Voracel -Schenn, Simmonds

Pitts

1. Kunitz- Crosby
2. Neal - Malkin

 

[BeardedCanuck]

Not sure I agree with this. Daniel misses an open net which costed us the tying goal late in the third, yet he doesn't deserve a large part of the blame? That's essentially how ridiculous it is to try to pin the loss on one player (or a large part of the blame).

The whole team wasn't good for a full 60 minutes tonight.

Thing is Daniel shot was blocked, could he have gotten a better shot off? Yes but there was a defensive play on the shot, and yes Daniel needs to bury that and neither him or Hank played well this game, and both of them needed to be better but there's 16 other players out there that can also score, there's only one player that is the goalie it's just how things are.

 

[EpochLink]

AV looks tired

He's done

 

[Tiranis]

The problem is Burrows is the 3rd Sedin.

That's on AV, IMO. Kassian was demoted for no good reason when that line was producing early in the season. They clearly just needed time to get into the groove.