GDT: Canes vs. Wild, 8:00 p.m.

[Navin R Slavin]

So what I’m taking away from this is that Twitter is about to enter its Facebook life stage.

No, Facebook is profitable.

 

[Tryamw]

No, Facebook is profitable.

Shots fired...

 

[MinJaBen]

No, Facebook is profitable.

Also easily "programmable". I spent a week and completely altered what the algorithm brought me by very specifically clicking on only the thing I now wanted to see and ignoring those I didn't. I never see the political stuff anymore.

 

[Daeavorn]

What I will miss is the ability to see "news" about things "the News" thinks is not worth their time today. For example, what the people of Iran are doing is getting almost no coverage in the US currently by most media. Seeing stuff like this is what I am looking for. I think Musk's plans will be a boon for autocrats every where.

You will still see this stuff on there. it just wont be covered by "verified" journalists.

I also think the hubbaloo about verification is hilarious because most of these journalist got their checkmarks by paying twitter under the table.

So this is really a discussion about elitism vs populism.

People in favor of Pre-Musk twitter believed it was a good thing to have elites elevated above the normal users.

I did not then, and do not now.

Twitter had far too much influence on important things it shouldn't have, like government discourse and policy.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Also: I think the demise of Twitter is somewhat exaggerated.

I knew a bunch of folks who worked at Twitter over the years. They were all pretty universally agreed that it was a mess both administratively and technically.

Their biggest issue right now is that they pissed off their customers, i.e. their advertisers. But those customers will come back when the heat dies down and it becomes obvious that Twitter isn't actually any shittier than it ever was.

Shots fired...

That's just the reality and always has been. Facebook makes a lot of money. Twitter does not and never has.

 

[bleedgreen]

Twitter as a "news-aggregation source" had too much influence on our society. I am glad that has been ruined, our country will be better off for it.

This. I have no idea what the guy is up to, but fake news and the reaction to fake news has gotten so ridiculous I don’t pay attention to any of it anymore. I don’t even pay any attention to the stories of all the crazy things that are going on at twitter. I don’t believe the numbers of how many people have left, or how bad it’s going internally. Anyone can say anything and everyone believes it and pushes it through.

I use twitter to follow hockey and nothing has changed at all yet. It’s all a bunch of crap so far. Either what he’s doing is actually good by lighting a fire under (or taking a flamethrower to) a workforce that was just collecting a paycheck doing the same things over and over which created stagnation internally and a cesspool for us or he’s way off base and he’s accidentally destroying something that needed a stake in the heart a long time ago.

I struggle to believe people like this are idiots. I think that’s a modern way of thinking that our social media feeds into. The need to diminish or cancel anyone that doesn’t agree with us about everything. Make them not only one of us but less intelligent than one of us.

I have no idea what’s going on but I’m going to wait a bit on this one.

 

[raynman]

Also easily "programmable". I spent a week and completely altered what the algorithm brought me by very specifically clicking on only the thing I now wanted to see and ignoring those I didn't. I never see the political stuff anymore.

I didn’t intentionally do that but I never see anything political on Facebook. My news feed is all mma stuff, hockey stuff, and crazy Florida man type news articles. I mostly use it for the marketplace these days anyway

This. I have no idea what the guy is up to, but fake news and the reaction to fake news has gotten so ridiculous I don’t pay attention to any of it anymore. I don’t even pay any attention to the stories of all the crazy things that are going on at twitter. I don’t believe the numbers of how many people have left, or how bad it’s going internally. Anyone can say anything and everyone believes it and pushes it through.

I use twitter to follow hockey and nothing has changed at all yet. It’s all a bunch of crap so far. Either what he’s doing is actually good by lighting a fire under (or taking a flamethrower to) a workforce that was just collecting a paycheck doing the same things over and over which created stagnation internally and a cesspool for us or he’s way off base and he’s accidentally destroying something that needed a stake in the heart a long time ago.

I struggle to believe people like this are idiots. I think that’s a modern way of thinking that our social media feeds into. The need to diminish or cancel anyone that doesn’t agree with us about everything. Make them not only one of us but less intelligent than one of us.

I have no idea what’s going on but I’m going to wait a bit on this one.

My twitter feed is pretty much all hockey news and I hope it isn’t affected too much by everything. It’s funny during the playoffs or cup final to see like 50 accounts say the same thing at the same time

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Musk is an idiot. Its truly remarkable how quickly he went from the reputation of being a Tech genius for everything he did with Tesla and SpaceX to exposing himself as being a technically illiterate dumbass who just buys existing companies and pretends that he invented what they produce. The stories that are coming out of the meetings he's having internally at Twitter right now shows just how completely out of his element and completely in over his head he is. He has no idea how to run that company, and came in assuming he was the smartest man in the room. Its no wonder its circling the drain as fast as it is right now.

I don't like him, but he's not an idiot. For years, he's played the "carbon credits" game which had the other automakers funded his company (Tesla) before it was profitable. Now he's worked with the government to change the EV tax credits so that it basically means that many other EV suppliers won't qualify for credits.

He's also understood that one side of the political spectrum has been a big proponent of EVs/technology and the other side a big opponent of them (generally speaking). So he's now courting that other side of the spectrum through Twitter and how he's acting on Twitter.

I have no idea how much of a "tech genius" he is vs. understanding governments, markets and consumer sentiments, but that's just as important.

 

[bleedgreen]

I didn’t intentionally do that but I never see anything political on Facebook. My news feed is all mma stuff, hockey stuff, and crazy Florida man type news articles. I mostly use it for the marketplace these days anyway


My twitter feed is pretty much all hockey news and I hope it isn’t affected too much by everything. It’s funny during the playoffs or cup final to see like 50 accounts say the same thing at the same time

And to be completely fair there is a small percentage that is on the political side. It’s always feeding more of what I already think, and it’s a bit horrifying. Nothing has changed there either. I’m still getting fed the same concepts.

But mostly hockey. And cute animals doing silly things.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Twitter is going to skip right over Facebook and go straight to MySpace.

All of its advertisers have bailed, and a significant portion of the user base is bailing by the minute, only for the CEO to come out and openly encourage everyone left to bail as well. Oh, and Twitter's workforce has been gutted by around 83% over the last 2 weeks, with entire teams, such as platform security, completely wiped away. When that app breaks, and it will break, they won't have enough experienced people left to bring it back up, and there's a growing amount of speculation that the Saudis might have paid off Elon to make this happen.

It gets worse. Turns out their copyright tracking system no longer works, so users are just posting Twitter threads containing entire movies. Musk may be rich, but is he rich enough to face down the legal team of The Mouse? We might find out soon.

 

[Svechhammer]

I didn’t intentionally do that but I never see anything political on Facebook. My news feed is all mma stuff, hockey stuff, and crazy Florida man type news articles. I mostly use it for the marketplace these days anyway

I have too many family members on my wife's side as well as former friends from high school who are completely wrapped up in right wing conspiracy theory crap that it really does end up driving the trending topics on my Facebook that I just don't even go to the site anymore.

It gets worse. Turns out their copyright tracking system no longer works, so users are just posted Twitter threads containing entire movies. Musk may be rich, but is he rich enough to face down the legal team of The Mouse? We might find out soon.

Yep, I saw the thread where someone uploaded the entire Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift movie over the weekend. Legally, Twitter is signing itself up for a whole load of trouble down the line, if not already.

 

[Svechhammer]

As an aside - has anyone signed up for the GDT today? If not, I can get that going.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yep, I saw the thread where someone uploaded the entire Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift movie over the weekend. Legally, Twitter is signing itself up for a whole load of trouble down the line, if not already.

There are already a few accounts dedicated to just posting Disney movies in an attempt to get Musk in legal trouble.

 

[Daeavorn]

Disney right now just had to bring back Bob Iger because they're doing so poorly.

I'm not sure we'll hear from them much until they right the ship

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Elon is definitely not an idiot.

Go find the interview with the rocket scientist that Elon founded SpaceX with. Elon has an absolute gift for understanding the critical path a business must take to be successful, and then ensuring that the company does not stray from that path. He's demonstrated that skill over and over.

That said, anyone can make a mistake, and Elon is making a ton of them right now. Fortunately for him, he has the money that allows him to make those mistakes.

I continue to be amused by everyone who is so worried that Twitter is gonna get so much worse.

 

[Borsig]

We aren't falling anywhere near hard enough for Bedard. That being said this year's round 1 is kind of deepish.

Though I see us as a SJ kind of middling bubble thing. You suck enough to suck, but still give a shred of hope until you get swept in round 1 because your PP is at 12% and the other team is running you.

 

[Chrispy]

We aren't falling anywhere near hard enough for Bedard. That being said this year's round 1 is kind of deepish.

Though I see us as a SJ kind of middling bubble thing. You suck enough to suck, but still give a shred of hope until you get swept in round 1 because your PP is at 12% and the other team is running you.

This is a reminder that talking about "failing for Bedard" and "round 1 sweep" is happening when the Canes are 2nd in the division and a point out of 3rd in the east with a game in hand.

And it's not Thanksgiving yet.

Reading things like this I'd expect them to be down where the Blue Jackets or Sens are, wondering if the hole is too deep to climb out of by the time they get their game together. You know, pre-Rod or even first season Rod.

There's plenty of time to get players back healthy and get their game together. I don't know if they will, but we've seen much worse teams turn their game on in the second half and/or the playoffs.

 

[Daeavorn]

While I think our team has taken a step back, I would be shocked if we fall out of a playoff spot. 75% of teams stay where they are at by Thanksgiving.

What we need to do is finally start trading assets for proven scorers, and take less risks. Kase was a risk and unfortunately he may be done for good.

I would've loved to get someone like Hagel but Tampa beat us to it.

We need to start putting chips in, and not just folding every time someone raises us.

 

[Svechhammer]

While I think our team has taken a step back, I would be shocked if we fall out of a playoff spot. 75% of teams stay where they are at by Thanksgiving.

What we need to do is finally start trading assets for proven scorers, and take less risks. Kase was a risk and unfortunately he may be done for good.

I would've loved to get someone like Hagel but Tampa beat us to it.

We need to start putting chips in, and not just folding every time someone raises us.

I mean.... yeah.

I feel like we're treading water right now. We should be fine, but I'm a bit uneasy about how close we could be to going under in a hurry, especially given how we've been playing lately.

If we are serious about contending this year, while it is nice to think that Patches could be the addition that fixes everything, we should absolutely still be looking for another add to push us over the top. If there is an opportunity to go out and get a 1st line player that will be a staple of our team for the next 5-10 years, we would be foolish not to do it. Tkachuk would have been amazing, and its frustrating that we lost out on that. We seem to always be sniffing around these big names but we always come away being left out because we have a hard and fast rule about not overpaying. But sometimes, you need to overpay when you want to buy a top player from another team, and its not like we're ever in the market for elite Free Agents.

 

[Chrispy]

I mean.... yeah.

I feel like we're treading water right now. We should be fine, but I'm a bit uneasy about how close we could be to going under in a hurry, especially given how we've been playing lately.

If we are serious about contending this year, while it is nice to think that Patches could be the addition that fixes everything, we should absolutely still be looking for another add to push us over the top. If there is an opportunity to go out and get a 1st line player that will be a staple of our team for the next 5-10 years, we would be foolish not to do it. Tkachuk would have been amazing, and its frustrating that we lost out on that. We seem to always be sniffing around these big names but we always come away being left out because we have a hard and fast rule about not overpaying. But sometimes, you need to overpay when you want to buy a top player from another team, and its not like we're ever in the market for elite Free Agents.

I think Tkachuk would have been amazing.

And then I think about Necas in Calgary starting the season this way, as he would be a likely piece going back.

 

[Daeavorn]

I mean.... yeah.

I feel like we're treading water right now. We should be fine, but I'm a bit uneasy about how close we could be to going under in a hurry, especially given how we've been playing lately.

If we are serious about contending this year, while it is nice to think that Patches could be the addition that fixes everything, we should absolutely still be looking for another add to push us over the top. If there is an opportunity to go out and get a 1st line player that will be a staple of our team for the next 5-10 years, we would be foolish not to do it. Tkachuk would have been amazing, and its frustrating that we lost out on that. We seem to always be sniffing around these big names but we always come away being left out because we have a hard and fast rule about not overpaying. But sometimes, you need to overpay when you want to buy a top player from another team, and its not like we're ever in the market for elite Free Agents.

I agree with you here.

What i'd like to see is if Patches can come back and score on a 30 or 40g pace then we extend him for at least 2 years.

We need more players like him and we need to stop relying on older vets and hope they bounce back.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

This thread is a great example of why there's a no politics rule on this site.

 

[Deon Thompson]

It's kind of interesting, from a bs armchair psychologist perspective, to watch the levels-of-institutional-trust thing play out on both the political and hockey front. If I'm gonna wildly generalize diehard Canes fans, a large amount of y'all are relatively affluent college-educated white folks, aka folks for whom our country's institutions have always done well by. Y'all place a lot of trust in those institutions, and in the FO. Meanwhile, F26's two most prominent skeptics (of both the gov't and the GMBC), Negan and Borsig, are, if I remember correctly, GWOT veterans, meaning that a large portion of their formative experiences were spent in a time and a place where the answer to the question "Is this whole thing some sort of f*&$ed up scheme that's trying to kill me?" was quite often yes.

Was that patronizing enough?

 

[LostInaLostWorld]

I don't trust anyone, especially myself.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." - Joseph Heller, Catch-22

 

[Sigurd]

Late replies, but...

Canes need 3 things to happen offensively

1) Patches comes back and isn't significantly hampered by the injury.
2) TT goes back to being 65-70 point forward he's consistently been the last few years.
3) Jarvis and KK start contributing offensively.

True, and while one of those things happening seems reasonable (probably Patches), I think two of those things happening would make us lucky, but all three of those things happening seem unlikely; at least certainly at this point with the way TT, Jarvis, and KK have played so far.

The team has massive issues and I do not think time will work them out. Freddie and Raanta looked off from the very beginning. Our defense is not the problem, as they have been shot suppressing very well.

I thought that Burns may be the issue on the PK but I have changed my mind. I think our problems are mainly losing 45 goals from trocheck and nino and then losing their intended replacements.

Kase was on a 20g pace last year and patches was a potential 30g scorer.

With Kotkaniemi, Teravainen and Jarvis having down years it is no surprise we are struggling.

We will see what happens as we go into December, but I am not sure just one player returning will completely fix our issues.

We have been lucky that Necas and Svech went on hot streaks to begin the season, that has given us a cushion that we will need.

If Turbo and Jarvis dont pick it up I expect we will make a move at the deadline.

With the forwards, this is a HUGE reason for some of the slumps we've seen in team performance. The one forward we got from the off season that hasn't been injured is Stasny, and I honestly don't see what the guy brings to the team; he's completely replaceable.

In hindsight, the long term injuries of Patches and Kase make our off season less than ideal with, at the very least, the first few months of the season. Who knows if Kase even plays again with all of his concussions. So, -Trocheck and Nino, +Patches for 1 season (technically far less than that) with no guarantee of an extension, is a net loss; especially when Koko has yet to show he's a good replacement for Trocheck.