GDT: Canes vs Avs (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Seth Jarvis)

[zman77]

48 Shots for the 'Canes vs 14 for the Stanley Winners in 2022!!
Lots to like here. Boys are playing very well.

 

[AD Skinner]

Funny that that graphic doesn't include the actual score of the game

 

[Gocanes0506]

Funny that that graphic doesn't include the actual score of the game

Aho’s face says it all

 

[chaz4hockey]

Good Power plays really aren't rocket science. You look at the AVs, and Tampa and it's a combination of constant movement, and passing with speed. Many times it's a back door play, or a well positioned screen with a tip. It's 3-4 passes and a shot or drive the net.

It's sort of baffling since we have so many set plays (or seem to) in OT. Our OT play is what other teams look like on the PP. Once we're confined though, we're handicapped.

Agreed and it also helps to have at least 3 one time guys; the point and bookend wingers.

In Tampa’s case, Kucherov and Stamkos on either side with Hedman are deadly shot wise that opens up their passing lanes too. They can also bring in Point or a big goofy guy in front of the goalie too.

For us, who makes that triangle? Necas has a good one timer (but not as good as elite guys) and balance of squad are not elite one timers ( Svetch is improving but he is still a little slow and not scoring area accurate ). Burns has a good shot but it hasnt fully clicked yet either. Aho not good enough. Who else, plus we don’t have that big goofy winger to wreck havoc up front.

Perhaps Patches will be that missing one time partner with Necas?

Btw: perhaps more importantly (particularly if you believe Patches is the PP fix), we need a much better (quicker faster) penalty killing up front specialist. I’d dump Stasny and/or Stephan for that guy(s).

Edit: coaching/positioning too?

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Funny that that graphic doesn't include the actual score of the game

I don't believe this one ever does, even when we win.

 

[raynman]

Agreed and it also helps to have at least 3 one time guys; the point and bookend wingers.

In Tampa’s case, Kucherov and Stamkos on either side with Hedman are deadly shot wise that opens up their passing lanes too. They can also bring in Point or a big goofy guy in front of the goalie too.

For us, who makes that triangle? Necas has a good one timer (but not as good as elite guys) and balance of squad are not elite one timers ( Svetch is improving but he is still a little slow and not scoring area accurate ). Burns has a good shot but it hasnt fully clicked yet either. Aho not good enough. Who else, plus we don’t have that big goofy winger to wreck havoc up front.

Perhaps Patches will be that missing one time partner with Necas?

Btw: perhaps more importantly (particularly if you believe Patches is the PP fix), we need a much better (quicker faster) penalty killing up front specialist. I’d dump Stasny and/or Stephan for that guy(s).

Kucherov, Stamkos, and Hedman are all arguably better or have been better than any Canes player since relocation.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Agreed and it also helps to have at least 3 one time guys; the point and bookend wingers.

In Tampa’s case, Kucherov and Stamkos on either side with Hedman are deadly shot wise that opens up their passing lanes too. They can also bring in Point or a big goofy guy in front of the goalie too.

For us, who makes that triangle? Necas has a good one timer (but not as good as elite guys) and balance of squad are not elite one timers ( Svetch is improving but he is still a little slow and not scoring area accurate ). Burns has a good shot but it hasnt fully clicked yet either. Aho not good enough. Who else, plus we don’t have that big goofy winger to wreck havoc up front.

Perhaps Patches will be that missing one time partner with Necas?

If Patches isn't that guy, we have a serious problem going into the playoffs, because at this point we are basically hinging all of our hopes this year on a guy recovering from a torn Achilles who has never laced up in a game with a Canes jersey on. We have nobody else on the roster with the kind of skillset you are talking about who can legitimately turn our putrid PP around.

And really, the PP is just exposing the complete lack of scoring talent that we have offensively. Last year we had a lot of guys with a lot of points, but we didn't really have anyone who stood out as the guy you can count on to score when the team needs it. And we've removed 2 of those high point producers, one of their replacements hasn't played yet, and the other one is struggling to find his way on the blue line. Not great.

Btw: perhaps more importantly (particularly if you believe Patches is the PP fix), we need a much better (quicker faster) penalty killing up front specialist. I’d dump Stasny and/or Stephan for that guy(s).

Right now its looking like Stastny was a mistake of a signing. He's noticeably slow out there, ineffective in most of what he's trying to do, and just doesn't have any chemistry with anyone he's been paired with. Our PK is struggling badly, and if he was brought in to help in that regard, its just not working at all.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I’m sure it’s been brought up, in this thread and elsewhere … but, where are the one timer opportunities on the PP? Far as I can tell, each winger plays on their strong side, so they have to settle the puck before shooting. Aho does eventually get to the right side, but as someone else said, he’s probably got the weakest shot among Svech/Necas/himself.

It’s just weird, based on what I see for other teams across the NHL.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

I’m sure it’s been brought up, in this thread and elsewhere … but, where are the one timer opportunities on the PP? Far as I can tell, each winger plays on their strong side, so they have to settle the puck before shooting. Aho does eventually get to the right side, but as someone else said, he’s probably got the weakest shot among Svech/Necas/himself.

It’s just weird, based on what I see for other teams across the NHL.

The passing lanes just aren't there for the opportunity to one time the puck. And a big reason for that is that we have a terrible tendency to play the PP with lead in our skates having at least 4 of the 5 players on the ice completely stationary throughout. Those other PPs have at least 2 or 3 guys in motion at all times, and we just don't. And it allows the PK to just stand motionless in the passing lanes completely shutting us down.

And the kicker is, to start the season last year, we played with the kind of constant motion I'm referencing, and our PP numbers were actually good. But come December, they just kind of stopped working hard on the PP leading to the shit we are seeing now. I just don't get it.

 

[tarheelhockey]

$185 for a jacket? God, what's it like to have so much disposable income?

I guess you could view it as a choice between a jersey or a nicer-end jacket.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

I guess you could view it as a choice between a jersey or a nicer-end jacket.

I need to see a pic of it, but I'm definitely intrigued

 

[Sens1Canes2]

The passing lanes just aren't there for the opportunity to one time the puck. And a big reason for that is that we have a terrible tendency to play the PP with lead in our skates having at least 4 of the 5 players on the ice completely stationary throughout. Those other PPs have at least 2 or 3 guys in motion at all times, and we just don't. And it allows the PK to just stand motionless in the passing lanes completely shutting us down.

And the kicker is, to start the season last year, we played with the kind of constant motion I'm referencing, and our PP numbers were actually good. But come December, they just kind of stopped working hard on the PP leading to the shit we are seeing now. I just don't get it.

Definitely didn’t see the motion on that last PP .. it was incredibly stationary. But I stand by, there are no one timer opportunities because no one is on their off-side.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Mhmm, I am certain that if we trade for Gibson we won’t get good goaltending for the next four seasons. He’s toast.

He’s only 29. A change of scenery to an elite defensive club could fix him. Carolina is goalie rehab.

 

[MinJaBen]

I’m sure it’s been brought up, in this thread and elsewhere … but, where are the one timer opportunities on the PP? Far as I can tell, each winger plays on their strong side, so they have to settle the puck before shooting. Aho does eventually get to the right side, but as someone else said, he’s probably got the weakest shot among Svech/Necas/himself.

It’s just weird, based on what I see for other teams across the NHL.

I've brought it up many times and it still perplexes me as to why they constantly put both Necas and Svech on their natural sides. I think the last PP goal that Necas scored was when he and Svech flip-flopped sides and he one-timed a goal.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Kucherov, Stamkos, and Hedman are all arguably better or have been better than any Canes player since relocation.

That’s not arguable

 

[ndp]

I've brought it up many times and it still perplexes me as to why they constantly put both Necas and Svech on their natural sides. I think the last PP goal that Necas scored was when he and Svech flip-flopped sides and he one-timed a goal.

Is that a player thing or a coaching thing? I guess we’ll never really know for sure. Are the players doing what the coaches are telling them to do or not? Maybe this will finally be the season where somebody in the FO nuts up and they fire an assistant. If they finish with a below average PP AND PK, something needs to happen.

 

[Rad ChaLose]

That 4 on 4 looked better than any power play that I can recall this season. The movement was just beautiful and fluid…it’s like they were just playing free and not thinking (albeit the movement was intentional).

Which goes back to our PP system that is being coached. I don’t know what the deal is sitting from my couch at home, but it sure would be interesting if Rod just threw out Burns, Aho, Svech, Necas, + someone else and said “Do what you want, be creative, have fun”

 

[tarheelhockey]

Definitely didn’t see the motion on that last PP .. it was incredibly stationary. But I stand by, there are no one timer opportunities because no one is on their off-side.

I agree with both takes.

It’s perplexing to set up the PP in that formation with the wingers on their natural side. In one of the PPs last night we actually saw the wingers (Svech and ???) call an audible and switch sides mid-sequence. It was memorable because it was so obviously improvised, with guys yelling and pointing each other to new positions. You see that in basketball sometimes, but it’s unusual in the NHL. From where I sat, it looked like Svech just got sick of fumbling with the puck on the left side and wanted to set it up the opposite way for a quicker release.

Also, the forwards are entirely too stationary for this kind of setup. I feel like the point men do a fair amount of movement, with a lot of drop passes to get the puckhandler open. But once he's open, the movement just stops and they start working the puck around to draw the defense open. I get what they're trying to accomplish, but last night was a great example of a game where the opponent just wasn't biting. Colorado knew better than to chase the puck, knowing we wanted those seams to open up. They, like a lot of other teams we've seen, were happy to see the puck moving around the perimeter without developing any real threat to score. Aside from Burns we really don't have the big point shots to hurt them if they just sit back and wait for us to make a move. How many of Francouz's saves last night were simply catching long point shots that didn't get tipped or fully screened? A lot, probably 5-10.

The culmination of these issues was the final PP, with something like 20 seconds left in regulation, when Aho had the puck on the right side and just stood there letting time run down while nothing happened anywhere on the ice. That was a moment where you could really see the lack of purpose in the puck movement, especially under the circumstances.

Don't get me wrong, I do think we had several near-misses and we will most likely see the odds swing in our favor eventually. Part of the frustration is just that we're not getting the breaks lately. But these same issues have been long-term fixtures of the PP as long as Rod has been the coach, so there's something systemic involved as well. I'm hoping that we see some real progress once Pacioretty is in the lineup, because he brings that big wrist shot and also knows how to cash in from the dirty areas. Between him and Teuvo, we're missing 40% of a good PP unit.

 

[raynman]

That’s not arguable

I was trying to be nice haha

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I still hate this game. 3 goals on 14 shots? That's inexcusable. And it took an opposing player literally bodychecking his own goalie to even get a point out of the game.

The good news is that the next three games SHOULD be wins if the Canes play even close to their potential. But since that's yet to happen this year, I'm not holding my breath

 

[Daeavorn]

Holy cow I just went and looked at PP rankings, I knew they weren’t good but didn’t realize it was that bad. That shit is embarrassing. Aho looked really frustrated in the post game, especially when asked about the PP, said it wasn’t a lack of effort on the power play, just got to be better.

And when was the last time the Hurricanes had a below average PK? What’s up with that?

The PK sucks because our goaltending is below average.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I still hate this game. 3 goals on 14 shots? That's inexcusable. And it took an opposing player literally bodychecking his own goalie to even get a point out of the game.

The good news is that the next three games SHOULD be wins if the Canes play even close to their potential. But since that's yet to happen this year, I'm not holding my breath

We've seen it so many times before, when you outshoot your opponents 3:1, their goalie gets in a great rhythm easily stopping our muffin shots, our goalie falls asleep and struggles to stay sharp. Colorado had 2 shots in the 3rd @ 14:08 & 14:15, that's a long time for no successful SOG (only a few wide & blocked shots otherwise)

 

[tarheelhockey]

I still hate this game. 3 goals on 14 shots? That's inexcusable.

I agree that the numbers are horrible, but look at how those goals took place. First goal, Jordan accidentally feeds the puck directly to an Av in the slot. Second goal, two Canes collide at the blue line to allow a clean breakaway. Third goal, Jarvis blows a tire deep in the zone to send an odd man break the other way.

Obviously you'd love Raanta to steal one of those, but to me the defense and goaltending was not the issue in this game. We smothered them aside from a handful of severely blown plays where the goalie was hung out to dry. The larger issue was the 2 goals on 49 shots, where one of them was frankly an unearned gaffe by the Avs. That level of offensive conversion is almost always going to lead to an L, let alone against a good team. There were tons of opportunities to get deflections, bury rebounds, clean shots which were passed up, power plays which never connected. Frustrating to watch.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I agree that the numbers are horrible, but look at how those goals took place. First goal, Jordan accidentally feeds the puck directly to an Av in the slot. Second goal, two Canes collide at the blue line to allow a clean breakaway. Third goal, Jarvis blows a tire deep in the zone to send an odd man break the other way.

Obviously you'd love Raanta to steal one of those, but to me the defense and goaltending was not the issue in this game. We smothered them aside from a handful of severely blown plays where the goalie was hung out to dry. The larger issue was the 2 goals on 49 shots, where one of them was frankly an unearned gaffe by the Avs. That level of offensive conversion is almost always going to lead to an L, let alone against a good team. There were tons of opportunities to get deflections, bury rebounds, clean shots which were passed up, power plays which never connected. Frustrating to watch.

And with that game Canes drop to a league worst 8.1% shooting

 

[MinJaBen]

The larger issue was the 2 goals on 49 shots, where one of them was frankly an unearned gaffe by the Avs.

Like, blue whale large.

And with that game Canes drop to a league worst 8.1% shooting