Friedman: Canes to buyout Kotkaniemi?

[bleedgreen]

The trade angle was simply posturing after the fact. Carolina may have made an "offer" for KK in a trade but it was likely the variety that gets you laughed off HFboards. With the bad blood between the teams any kind of good faith negotiation would be out the door. There were no attempts from the Hurricanes to "work out a trade". This was pretty much verified by Bergevin at the time.

There were no indications that KK was available that summer via trade. In fact it was pretty clear that he was looked upon to be a key cog in the upcoming season with the departure of Danault in the #2 spot.

The offersheet put a priority on damaging the Canadiens over improving the Hurricanes. There wasn't even a spot for KK when he was acquired.

I know you want to believe it, I know you need to believe it. You’re just making it up about the trade being an afterthought. Both sides admitted to it. It’s easy to see the process, they knew the value of the offer sheet and obviously MTL liked that value over ours. They must’ve really wanted that first rounder, already knowing and salivating about what they were going to use it on…

That last paragraph is classic for this argument. It’s not weird at all for any team to think KK was right around the corner from figuring it out. It’s not often you get a high draft pick like him with three years experience. The Canes like to pay for guys in their prime instead of vets.

Trocheck was leaving, They knew they weren’t going to pay his contract. Staal was older even then and maybe not permanent. They needed centers and they also hoped he could move to wing if they needed him to in the interim. KK was a good bet that hasn’t worked out that great. It was fine last year, this year it wasn’t.

People think Canes fans are fake in their ambivalence but it’s just not true. This didn’t hurt us, and doesn’t really hurt us moving forward. Obviously we knew we had years for a cheap buyout, which we still have. Teams are interested in him. His salary never hurt us. You could say this off season his salary could be used and that’s fair collectively speaking as five million of course would help in some way but it’s not enough to individually keep any of our good ufa’s and I think if it comes down to needing that money he’s gone.

I don’t think it’ll come down to his money. Waddell had said a month or two ago they already know who would stay for what they’d pay them and who won’t. That’s completely separate from KK. They’ve already known for some time how much money they’ll need to keep guys.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I know you want to believe it, I know you need to believe it. You’re just making it up about the trade being an afterthought. Both sides admitted to it. It’s easy to see the process, they knew the value of the offer sheet and obviously MTL like that value over ours. They must’ve really wanted that first rounder, already knowing and salivating off what they were going to use it on…

That last paragraph is classic for this argument. It’s not weird at all for any team to think KK was right around the corner from figuring it out. It’s not often you get a high draft pick like him with three years experience. The Canes like to pay for guys in their prime instead of vets.

Trocheck was leaving, They knew they weren’t going to pay his contract. Staal was older even then and maybe not permanent. They needed centers and they also hoped he could move to wing if they needed him to in the interim. KK was a good bet that hasn’t worked out that great. It was fine last year, this year it wasn’t.

People think Canes fans are fake in their ambivalence but it’s just not true. This didn’t hurt us, and doesn’t really hurt us moving forward. Obviously we knew we had years for a cheap buyout, which we still have. Teams are interested in him. His salary never hurt us. You could say this off season his salary could be used and that’s fair collectively speaking as five million of course would help in some way but it’s not enough to individually keep any of our good ufa’s and I think if it comes down to needing that money he’s gone.

I don’t think it’ll come down to his money. Waddell had said a month or two ago they already know who would stay for what they’d pay them and who won’t. That’s completely separate from KK. They’ve already known for some time how much money they’ll need to keep guys.

There is only one fanbase that needs to believe something about the offersheet. Its not the Habs.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

I think someone would trade a late pick for him. He’s not that bad.

A buyout means he plays well for a team they see in the East.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

There is only one fanbase that needs to believe something about the offersheet. Its not the Habs.

And that extra $20 is a strong piece of evidence...

 

[bleedgreen]

There is only one fanbase that needs to believe something about the offersheet. Its not the Habs.

Hf gold.

 

[Frank Drebin]

And that extra $20 is a strong piece of evidence...

Well sure *that* was revenge motivated, but they really wanted that particular player who clearly wasn't available and really wasn't all that impressive.

Hf gold.

One day you'll come to terms with this and you'll have peace.

 

[Bottomshelf]

Honestly don’t think he’s that bad I expect a team to trade for him with some cap going the other direction, I think he could be a quality 3C with the rising cap that hit won’t be a huge deterrent in a year or two. Teams with Weak centers or aging rosters should take a look. Chicago, SJ, Ducks all make sense to me. Penguins are another although the cap maybe a slight issue.

So add that with that contact as it stands I don’t think he holds any value (if that wasn’t clear). But if the Canes take something that fits their roster better I think it is the best case for them. Looking at their roster they probably want a true 2C that can 100% be that come playoff time next season.

 

[bleedgreen]

Well sure *that* was revenge motivated, but they really wanted that particular player who clearly wasn't available and really wasn't all that impressive.


One day you'll come to terms with this and you'll have peace.

Canes fans have peace my friend. There’s a difference between one fan base starting threads over and over about the same topic and fans defending their team. This is easy for us. The Canes board doesn’t wring their hands amongst themselves about this, I was maybe the strongest supporter of Trocheck on the board. I knew they weren’t going to keep him. I wish they did. That’s separate of KK to me. I wanted them to find a real replacement for Tro.

We as a group just look at this fuss with bemusement.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Canes fans have peace my friend. There’s a difference between one fan base starting threads over and over about the same topic and fans defending their team. This is easy for us. The Canes board doesn’t wring their hands amongst themselves about this, I was maybe the strongest supporter of Trocheck on the board. I knew they weren’t going to keep him. I wish they did. That’s separate of KK to me.

We as a group just look at this fuss with bemusement.

One more time for the people in the back canes fans are at peace

I can't be more clear about this, the whole thing doesn't bother me at all.

 

[bleedgreen]

One more time for the people in the back canes fans are at peace

I can't be more clear about this, the whole thing doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The trade angle was simply posturing after the fact. Carolina may have made an "offer" for KK in a trade but it was likely the variety that gets you laughed off HFboards. With the bad blood between the teams any kind of good faith negotiation would be out the door. There were no attempts from the Hurricanes to "work out a trade". This was pretty much verified by Bergevin at the time.

The same Bergevin that assured the fanbase that Aho absolutely wanted to play for Montreal and that Dundon absolutely didn’t have money to match the offer sheet? Certainly, he’s not just saying what makes him look the best.



Again, the Canes wanted KK before the offer sheet came into play. They likely used the trade offers to determine how much the Canadiens valued him, and when that value proved too high, they went the offer sheet route.

 

[Stickpucker]

The trade angle was simply posturing after the fact. Carolina may have made an "offer" for KK in a trade but it was likely the variety that gets you laughed off HFboards. With the bad blood between the teams any kind of good faith negotiation would be out the door. There were no attempts from the Hurricanes to "work out a trade". This was pretty much verified by Bergevin at the time.

There were no indications that KK was available that summer via trade. In fact it was pretty clear that he was looked upon to be a key cog in the upcoming season with the departure of Danault in the #2 spot.

The offersheet put a priority on damaging the Canadiens over improving the Hurricanes. There wasn't even a spot for KK when he was acquired.

Canes: hey bargain bin were gonna give you a 1st and 3rd for Kokonut

Bargain bin: fu he is going to be our 2c and we drafted him at 3 oa.

Canes: we weren't asking.

Kokonut: evil grin.

Long term project who won't be good until he's 30.

 

[Colezuki]

I mean it’s a fail for Carolina, and a bad draft pick from Montreal anyone who says otherwise is a moron

 

[Stickpucker]

Canes fans have peace my friend. There’s a difference between one fan base starting threads over and over about the same topic and fans defending their team. This is easy for us. The Canes board doesn’t wring their hands amongst themselves about this, I was maybe the strongest supporter of Trocheck on the board. I knew they weren’t going to keep him. I wish they did. That’s separate of KK to me. I wanted them to find a real replacement for Tro.

We as a group just look at this fuss with bemusement.

Can confirm. Bleedgreen has a huge boner for Trocheck and roughly 50% of his posts are about him.

I mean it’s a fail for Carolina, and a bad draft pick from Montreal anyone who says otherwise is a moron

Hindsight is 2020.

Kokonut was worth the gamble. He is what he is.

The real winners are the people who enjoy the drama.

At this point it's old news I hope we can stir up something new.

 

[Chrispy]

There is only one fanbase that needs to believe something about the offersheet. Its not the Habs.

Just like the stories made up about relocation and Dundon not being able to afford the bonus structure for Aho, there certainly is one side that needs to believe something other than the truth.

If Carolina were motivated by revenge it wouldn’t have taken a month from the start of free agency to make the offer sheet. Montreal had plenty of time to work out a Kotkaniemi contract before or for a month after free agency opened.

The calendar completely works against the theory this was about revenge. It was the best option the Canes saw left after a month and an inability to trade for Kotkaniemi.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Calling him KK is stupid, JK should be warranted.

Or if you want just his lastname, go with KN as the two parts of his last name is Kotka - Eagle and Niemi - Cape

Stupid or not, KK is literally what Aho, Teravainen and other Canes players call him.

 

[AvatarAang]

No matter how you try to spin it, Montreal basically traded a 3rd overall pick for Christian Dvorak.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

No matter how you try to spin it, Montreal basically traded a 3rd overall pick for Christian Dvorak.

Awful spin...

 

[Bizz]

Canes offersheeted KK for revenge and it's blowing up in their faces. Bad Karma for a Bad Franchise.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Canes offersheeted KK for revenge and it's blowing up in their faces. Bad Karma for a Bad Franchise.

Aren’t you the “Slavin Sucks” guy? Please let me know how the Canes touched you?

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Please let me know how the Canes touched you?

Whenever I see that type of response, I know that the original post really was hurtful...

 

[WreckingCrew]

Canes offersheeted KK for revenge and it's blowing up in their faces. Bad Karma for a Bad Franchise.

I bet you believe the Earth is flat & 6000 years old too huh?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Whenever I see that type of response, I know that the original post really was hurtful...

You’re wrong. This poster has had some weird fascination with Carolina. Which is odd as a SJ fan and I it find amusing. A MTL fan? I’d get it. A NJ, NYR or even Sabres fan? I’d get it. This is just bizarre.

As a canes fan, I’ve never liked acquiring and signing KK so I don’t care if others feel the same. His obsession is what’s odd.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You’re wrong. This poster has had some weird fascination with Carolina. Which is odd as a SJ fan and I it find amusing. A MTL fan? I’d get it. A NJ, NYR or even Sabres fan? I’d get it. This is just bizarre.

As a canes fan, I’ve never liked acquiring and signing KK so I don’t care if others feel the same. His obsession is what’s odd.

The first part of your post (are you the Slavin sucks guy ?) was sufficient. The second part was a bit childish.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The first part of your post (are you the Slavin sucks guy ?) was sufficient. The second part was a bit childish.

As a Canadiens fan, I found this very funny...

This was you not long ago. Very childish so get off your high horse. The other poster is clearly looking for a reaction so I’m fine giving it.