Friedman: Canes to buyout Kotkaniemi?

[Angler]

No matter how you try to spin it, Montreal basically traded a 3rd overall pick for Christian Dvorak

Yep that is true. And the Canes traded 2 draft picks and then signed a player to a 8 year 40 million dollar contract, who is now being talked about as a buyout candidate. It was a disaster for both teams.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I've yet to see a compelling explanation how spite theory fits the Canes signing Kotkaniemi to an 8 year deal.

Like okay, if they immediately let him walk, or jettisoned him for a ham sandwhich then sure. But they signed him to max term deal.

That says to me the Canes were hoping to lock in their 2c- who also happened to be the franchise players bff- to a long term team friendly deal. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. Not as bad as Jeannot in Tampa, but similar idea.

 

[The don godfather]

I say run the contract hes very young.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I've yet to see a compelling explanation how spite theory fits the Canes signing Kotkaniemi to an 8 year deal.

Like okay, if they immediately let him walk, or jettisoned him for a ham sandwhich then sure. But they signed him to max term deal.

That says to me the Canes were hoping to lock in their 2c- who also happened to be the franchise players bff- to a long term team friendly deal. It was a gamble that didn't pay off. Not as bad as Jeannot in Tampa, but similar idea.

Sunk cost fallacy. Not spite.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I’d take a flyer on him as a UFA. I’m unsure why though.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Sunk cost fallacy. Not spite.

Seems like a post hoc rationalization to me

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Aren’t you the “Slavin Sucks” guy? Please let me know how the Canes touched you?

He's just trolling and has openly admitted to it.


In his own words:

I only do what I do because the Canes and their fanbase have turned into this generation's Canucks fans. Obnoxious and severely overrating anyone that puts on their jersey.

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Yeah, but there seems to be a couple in here swinging that small D energy around. Like we're jerks so that's fine... let's just not be assholes though... I only gave Bizz shit because he's been trolling Canes related threads for years now, and it's only fair that we return fire sometimes...

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[lanceuppercut75]

I say run the contract hes very young.

At least one or two more years, yeah. His buyout is very cheap until 2026 offseason. After it's not cheap.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Explain Hamilton in the context of sunk costs driving decision making. Substantial price paid. Not an expected late 1st and 3rd like Kotkaniemi. They let him walk as a UFA a few years later, while Hanifin and Lindholm had several years of term left on their contracts.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Explain Hamilton in the context of sunk costs driving decision making. Substantial price paid. Not an expected late 1st and 3rd like Kotkaniemi. They let him walk as a UFA a few years later, while Hanifin and Lindholm had several years of term left on their contracts.

Or for that matter, Ferland

Edit: I just checked and he played 14 games in the NHL after leaving Carolina. Woof. f*** concussions

 

[HamiltonNHL]

his cap hit is only 4.8 AAV

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[Finlandia WOAT]

At least one or two more years, yeah. His buyout is very cheap until 2026 offseason. After it's not cheap.

Imo he has one more year in Carolina (2025) then if he's still not made progress they try to dump him onto someone as the final stop before 2026's cheap buyout

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

This was you not long ago. Very childish so get off your high horse. The other poster is clearly looking for a reaction so I’m fine giving it.

Very strange and unusual definition of childish.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Vancouver

 

[miscs75]

Now just bring back Kravtsov (and his generational talent)to make one of the greatest lines in the history of hockey lines. Kakko-Kotkaniemi-Kravtsov can be the triple bust line.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Now just bring back Kravtsov (and his generational talent)to make one of the greatest lines in the history of hockey lines. Kakko-Kotkaniemi-Kravtsov can be the triple bust line.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have heard about the rumor of KK packaged with Necas? Any truth to this? If so, what are the Canes wanting back? Is this attempt to get cap space freed up and you would want futures back with no contract coming?

 

[TheBigLetowski]

I have heard about the rumor of KK packaged with Necas? Any truth to this? If so, what are the Canes wanting back? Is this attempt to get cap space freed up and you would want futures back with no contract coming?

Only rumor that was "out there" was them packaged as a starting point for EP before he signed his long term contract. It was rumored that the package Carolina offered made Vancouver really think about it. Ultimately EP didn't want to get traded and signed his contract.

 

[miscs75]

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I know the names combine for something shady but we can call them the “perfect inning” for the amount of quality shifts they’ll give as a combo.

 

[StickShift]

He reminds me of Joel Eriksson Ek's development curve—with the added weight of (1) being a top-5 pick for the Habs, (2) being part of an offersheet, and (3) signing a long-term contract before he really deserved one due to those offersheet circumstances.

I'm not sure that whoever he plays for will be totally satisfied with his play-to-salary for the next couple seasons. But I suspect that contract will look like a bargain by the 2nd half.

 

[Chrispy]

I have heard about the rumor of KK packaged with Necas? Any truth to this? If so, what are the Canes wanting back? Is this attempt to get cap space freed up and you would want futures back with no contract coming?

Doubtful they want futures back in that case. Probably want an established player either replacing Necas at forward or at RD, with Kotkaniemi as a throw-in that neither adds nor subtracts value.

If someone wants a discount on Necas for taking Kotkaniemi, I doubt Kotkaniemi is included in the deal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Doubtful they want futures back in that case. Probably want an established player either replacing Necas at forward or at RD, with Kotkaniemi as a throw-in that neither adds nor subtracts value.

If someone wants a discount on Necas for taking Kotkaniemi, I doubt Kotkaniemi is included in the deal.

I would say KK added would mean slightly less value for Necas but not too much.

What's the intention of trading Necas? Wouldn't it be for cap reasons so the Canes can sign others?

 

[spockBokk]

I would say KK added would mean slightly less value for Necas but not too much.

What's the intention of trading Necas? Wouldn't it be for cap reasons so the Canes can sign others?

Likely their internal valuation of him doesn’t match what the market would bear. The Canes front office very strictly assigns values to players and they don’t budge off that, for better or worse. So, my guess would be, their internal valuation is not $7M.

This may change with the news today that Guentzel may test the market on 7/1. Imho, they can’t afford to lose Necas and Guentzel in one offseason. Next few weeks should be quite interesting.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Likely their internal valuation of him doesn’t match what the market would bear. The Canes front office very strictly assigns values to players and they don’t budge off that, for better or worse. So, my guess would be, their internal valuation is not $7M.

This may change with the news today that Guentzel may test the market on 7/1. Imho, they can’t afford to lose Necas and Guentzel in one offseason. Next few weeks should be quite interesting.

Canes do have a fair amount of work to do to resign guys and improve that back end. I get the feeling Guentzel would re-sign before July 1st but only if it's something he can't refuse. Otherwise, he tests the market.

I agree with you that the Canes can't loose both Guentzel and Necas.