Confirmed with Link: Canes officially match l'offre hostile from MTL for Aho

[BB88]

I feel like this is about the 5 millionth time it's been said, but the disagreement during negotiations was never about the amount of money, but the amount of years.

Sebastian saw Matthews get that 5 year term and wanted the same. He's smart enough to know in 5 years that he'll be worth a hell of a lot more than 8.5 million.

When the money on max term was rumoured to be 7.5M you can bet it played a part.
Even when willing to sign a steal contract you can't expect Aho to sign that low.

Anyways you want to be signing him to a UFA franchise contract when he's 27 instead of 30y, carries way less risk.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Coming in peace,

We've been waiting a very long time to get a player like this, and the closest we've come is an offer sheet.

Great player, great contract, very jealous. Nice to read some different perspectives from you guys.

All in good fun. See you "bunch of jerks" at the rink.

Not if we see you first!

Well, maybe we'll buy you a Molson or somethin'. Good luck next year.

 

[Roboturner913]

When the money on max term was rumoured to be 7.5M you can bet it played a part.

Maybe, but the offer sheet made it so negotiations couldn't continue past those starting points. It's likely that if it had gone on all summer they would've ended up somewhere in the middle. 6 years at 8.75m (which was my prediction) or 7 years at 9.25m, something like that. He was never going to make $7.5m, that was just a starting point.

 

[HisIceness]

 

[Roboturner913]

That. is. amazing.

 

[BB88]

Maybe, but the offer sheet made it so negotiations couldn't continue past those starting points. It's likely that if it had gone on all summer they would've ended up somewhere in the middle. 6 years at 8.75m (which was my prediction) or 7 years at 9.25m, something like that. He was never going to make $7.5m, that was just a starting point.

A) At this point in time it shouldn't have been at the start of negotiations
&
B) Aho showed he wanted this to be dealt quick and negotiations should have never take all summer.

 

[Chrispy]

A) At this point in time it shouldn't have been at the start of negotiations
&
B) Aho showed he wanted this to be dealt quick and negotiations should have never take all summer.

Waddell said sometime in June that Carolina was not interested in signing a 5 year deal like this. Long term ideal, short term if they had to.

I think they were hoping to negotiate a 6th or 7th over time but didn’t expect it to be short circuited.

I hope they’ve learned something about negotiating with an upcoming offer sheet window.

 

[DaveG]

Coming in peace,

We've been waiting a very long time to get a player like this, and the closest we've come is an offer sheet.

Great player, great contract, very jealous. Nice to read some different perspectives from you guys.

All in good fun. See you "bunch of jerks" at the rink.

good luck guys... please beat Boston.

 

[BB88]

Waddell said sometime in June that Carolina was not interested in signing a 5 year deal like this. Long term ideal, short term if they had to.

I think they were hoping to negotiate a 6th or 7th over time but didn’t expect it to be short circuited.

I hope they’ve learned something about negotiating with an upcoming offer sheet window.

I can understand them wanting a 8 year term at cheap at 1st, but this should have been so easy.
They've had a year to figure out what he is, what he means to the team and what he wants.
When you figure out he's not interested at max and is willing to give you a steal on signing day you do it with a smile.

He's hitting UFA at a perfect age for himself and the team.

good luck guys... please beat Boston.

Hey hey hey why you like that?

 

[Primetime8]

I can understand them wanting a 8 year term at cheap at 1st, but this should have been so easy.
They've had a year to figure out what he is, what he means to the team and what he wants.
When you figure out he's not interested at max and is willing to give you a steal on signing day you do it with a smile.

He's hitting UFA at a perfect age for himself and the team.

They stopped negotiating back in October of last year. A breakout year in which he finished 10th in hart voting and recieved selke votes changes things quite a bit. Aho bet on himself and it paid off.

 

[Roboturner913]

A) At this point in time it shouldn't have been at the start of negotiations
&
B) Aho showed he wanted this to be dealt quick and negotiations should have never take all summer.

Aho said at the beginning of the season he didn't want to negotiate until after the end of the season, because he didn't want to be distracted. That was the point where they offered him 8 years at 6 million and he declined without even giving a counter offer. He simply didn't want to do it and he didn't budge.

Keep in mind, over the course of the season he became a PPG first-line center who got a significant number of Selke votes, whereas the season before he had played wing and scored 65 points. So there's quite a bit of difference in terms of player value and importance over a relatively short amount of time.

Again, to start the offseason, the team wanted an 8 year deal, he wanted 5. He didn't budge. Neither did the Canes. Eventually somebody would've blinked, but the offer sheet interrupted things.

There have been plenty of times player negotiations lasted most of, or the entirety of, an off-season. It doesn't mean anything other than both sides were very determined to get the deal that was best for them. All the rest of it is bored fans on message boards trying to create drama where none necessarily exists.

 

[HisIceness]

I can understand them wanting a 8 year term at cheap at 1st, but this should have been so easy.
They've had a year to figure out what he is, what he means to the team and what he wants.
When you figure out he's not interested at max and is willing to give you a steal on signing day you do it with a smile.

He's hitting UFA at a perfect age for himself and the team.



Hey hey hey why you like that?

I think he meant please beat the Boston Red Sox when the Expos return as an expansion team.

 

[spockBokk]

Nick Suzuki becomes an RFA after the 20-21 season, right around the time his brother should be NHL ready, if he develops on schedule. Suzuki bro #1 target of l’offre hostile?...

 

[Blueline Bomber]

5 more years, boys and girls!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Nick Suzuki becomes an RFA after the 20-21 season, right around the time his brother should be NHL ready, if he develops on schedule. Suzuki bro #1 target of l’offre hostile?...

I realize this is completely sarcastic, but others have commented about a retaliatory offer sheet down the road so this post is aimed at that sentiment( not your post which I am piggybacking on)

I really don’t see the Canes doing a retaliatory offer sheet for a few reasons.

1) we don’t need to. We are one of the youngest teams in the nhl, have a very deep prospect pool, and just had 12 draft choices in this draft.

2) we value draft and development. We already traded for Toronto’s 1st round pick and will likely continue to make deals like that to keep the pipeline full. Our talent will mainly be from drafting.

3) like it or not, we will always have a budget and Dundon wants to spend where it makes sense. I can see the team moving higher priced vets when they think a guy on an ELC can fill the void (like de Hann). We’ll also try to take advantage of cap teams (like the TT and Haula deals). RFA offer sheets will be expensive.

I think that’s the model and RFA offer sheets don’t seem to fit. Now, maybe Dundon wants to flex so throws a “don’t mess with me” offer sheet, but I find that unlikely.

 

[Roboturner913]

Montreal is at a point where RFA offer sheets are a solution to a two-pronged issue they have: 1) they can't attract big-time free agents and 2) they aren't at a point in their cycle where they can afford to trade away their top prospects to acquire big-time players in trades.

We also can't pull big names in free agency, but we do have players that could be offered in a trade. If a couple years down the road, Suzuki is RFA and we want his rights, we can offer a package of prospects and picks that would at least give them something to think about.

 

[Canes]

I'd rather none of the Habs players become good enough for us to want to offer sheet anyway.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'd rather none of the Habs players become good enough for us to want to offer sheet anyway.

I don’t care. They are irrelevant to me.

 

[Roboturner913]

I don’t care. They are irrelevant to me.

You're just posturing

 

[Svechhammer]

like it or not, we will always have a budget and Dundon wants to spend where it makes sense. I can see the team moving higher priced vets when they think a guy on an ELC can fill the void (like de Hann). We’ll also try to take advantage of cap teams (like the TT and Haula deals). RFA offer sheets will be expensive.

I think that’s the model and RFA offer sheets don’t seem to fit. Now, maybe Dundon wants to flex so throws a “don’t mess with me” offer sheet, but I find that unlikely.

The more this goes I don't think we are operating on a budget to be cheap, but more so in order to allow ourselves the ability to keep our talent down the line. We start spending now and in a few years when our RFA and ELC deals are done, we are probably looking at tough decisions on who we keep around. As long as we stay smart, we look to probably be able to give most the big contracts they deserve while not gutting our core.

And I say this because Waddell has stressed we were reportedly willing to go to any price on keeping Aho. And Dundon has repeatedly said he's willing to spend when the player is worth it.

 

[Roboturner913]

Guys, it's really gonna suck when Aho is a Hab in 5 years

 

[BB88]

Waddell said sometime in June that Carolina was not interested in signing a 5 year deal like this. Long term ideal, short term if they had to.

I think they were hoping to negotiate a 6th or 7th over time but didn’t expect it to be short circuited.

I hope they’ve learned something about negotiating with an upcoming offer sheet window.

These RFA contracts have gone through the roof and some of the kids are willing to make it challenging.
When you have your franchise kid offering you a steal from the start you don't mess with it, you just get it done(doesn't mean in a day), but the way which would never lead to this point.

They stopped negotiating back in October of last year. A breakout year in which he finished 10th in hart voting and recieved selke votes changes things quite a bit. Aho bet on himself and it paid off.

Aho said at the beginning of the season he didn't want to negotiate until after the end of the season, because he didn't want to be distracted. That was the point where they offered him 8 years at 6 million and he declined without even giving a counter offer. He simply didn't want to do it and he didn't budge.

Keep in mind, over the course of the season he became a PPG first-line center who got a significant number of Selke votes, whereas the season before he had played wing and scored 65 points. So there's quite a bit of difference in terms of player value and importance over a relatively short amount of time.

Again, to start the offseason, the team wanted an 8 year deal, he wanted 5. He didn't budge. Neither did the Canes. Eventually somebody would've blinked, but the offer sheet interrupted things.

There have been plenty of times player negotiations lasted most of, or the entirety of, an off-season. It doesn't mean anything other than both sides were very determined to get the deal that was best for them. All the rest of it is bored fans on message boards trying to create drama where none necessarily exists.

I know they didn't negotiate mid season, but as I said they had last summer to get a touch on Aho and what he was looking at then, they had the whole year to see what he is, what he means to the city and to the team, and they've had time this offseason again to negotiate.
No way should late june be the starting point for Aho's negotiations and 7.5M be the number then.

 

[Svechhammer]

Guys, it's really gonna suck when Aho is a Hab in 5 years

That is such a weak flex on their part. Like, with how young this team is, and with all the players we have about to be in their prime at the same time, they really think he's going to leave here right in the middle of the contention window to start over somewhere else?

Please, this man is here for the long haul. And he knows it.

 

[raynman]

Guys, it's really gonna suck when Aho is a Hab in 5 years

It is going to suck but we have to remember that the reason he signed this contract is because he wants to play for Montreal in 5 years.

 

[Highest Boss]

We mustn't hate. At least so overtly.