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Boom Boom Apathy

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Jarvis had 40 points in 68 games as a 19-20 year old rookie. Are we already pegging him to be a 40 point / 82 game forward because of a less productive sophomore season? Just two years ago, there were some suggesting that we keep Necas over Svech. Last year, some of the board was ready to ship Necas off before Jarvis. Now Jarvis will just be a 40 point forward so we should move (or should have moved) him.

I'm fine with keeping him and letting him develop.
 

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He can easily be a 50-point+ player but it depends on his usage. I agree that his time on the first line is actually not fostering his growth. Why? Because of the roster configuration, he is being asked to play a role that is not ideal for him regardless of playing beside Aho. He has settled into a forechecking role that supported getting Svech and Aho freed up in the slot. He needs to room to operate and can't create it on his own like a Necas.
I think Jarvis will benefit from moving down to the second line, but not with Fast. Kotkaniemi can play the forechecking and net front role, while Teravainen can hit Jarvis with passes to get him opportunities to be open.

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(Could keep Noesen on the 4th with Drury if you want; probably put Puljujarvi up on the 3rd in that case.)

I think Necas is what Aho needs right now. I think they can recreate the 2021 chemistry from when Teravainen was out.
 

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Jarvis had 40 points in 68 games as a 19-20 year old rookie. Are we already pegging him to be a 40 point / 82 game forward because of a less productive sophomore season? Just two years ago, there were some suggesting that we keep Necas over Svech. Last year, some of the board was ready to ship Necas off before Jarvis. Now Jarvis will just be a 40 point forward so we should move (or should have moved) him.

I'm fine with keeping him and letting him develop.
Next seasons cap Armageddon should have focus on what most teams would do, signing the two RFA’s who are the youngest and provide a lot of the depth this team needs moving forward. Maybe they’re the stars, maybe they’re the support. We need them either way. Jarvis developing is part of letting TT go. Internal replacements.
 

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Jarvis doesn't really have many flaws to his game for a 21 year old. He's fast, he can take the puck to the net, and he plays a 200 ft game for the most part. He also wins more board battles than I would anticipate given his age and size, but he's never gonna be a Svech or Martinook. Which is fine. I think he's getting a lot of shots but they just aren't going in. If that changes he's probably more of a 60 pt player with goal scoring upside.
 
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Next seasons cap Armageddon should have focus on what most teams would do, signing the two RFA’s who are the youngest and provide a lot of the depth this team needs moving forward. Maybe they’re the stars, maybe they’re the support. We need them either way. Jarvis developing is part of letting TT go. Internal replacements.
This is the important point, and why I think TT should be gone this summer if we can use him to help bring in an upgrade. If he’s not moved this summer there’s no way he’s here after next year, even if he does bounce back to a 70-80 point guy.
 

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This is the important point, and why I think TT should be gone this summer if we can use him to help bring in an upgrade. If he’s not moved this summer there’s no way he’s here after next year, even if he does bounce back to a 70-80 point guy.
I've been thinking this way for a while. If we are looking to include a roster player for a legitimate big swing trade, Turbo is the logical centerpiece of such a deal from our end. Package him with picks and prospects and we should have a pretty strong starting point to negotiations this summer.
 

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This is the important point, and why I think TT should be gone this summer if we can use him to help bring in an upgrade. If he’s not moved this summer there’s no way he’s here after next year, even if he does bounce back to a 70-80 point guy.
While true, and looking at Jarvis as an internal replacement for TT is very valid, the problem is we'd probably be selling TT while his value is at his lowest in his career so far. That's assuming the front office is even willing to trade TT; I doubt they will.

He's also going to turn 29 this September, and wouldn't fit with a rebuilding team's core (like say Vancouver or Arizona, etc.) unless they want a veteran guy with Stanley Cup experience.

Maybe you could trade him to a contending team for a 1st round pick if we're fortunate, and we then bundle that extra draft pick to push a trade over the finish line for an all star tier top 6 forward with our own 1st round pick ++ like say for EP or Keller (again, both long shots at this point, but I'm keeping EP as my pipedream scenario), or more likely, for a less skilled but still very good forward like PLD or Lindholm. Lindholm is less certain with extending with us due to his likely high asking price and the FO thinking he won't be worth it (particularly in his late 20s).

Maybe we sign a winger like Zucker in free agency this summer to a short contract (that's also a little cheaper than his current one), and that helps as a solid short term replacement for trading TT, or less likely, Jarvis, while still making a trade for a highly skilled top 6 forward to upgrade our offense.
 
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While true, and looking at Jarvis as an internal replacement for TT is very valid, the problem is we'd probably be selling TT while his value is at his lowest in his career so far. That's assuming the front office is even willing to trade TT; I doubt they will.

He's also going to turn 29 this September, and wouldn't fit with a rebuilding team's core (like say Vancouver or Arizona, etc.) unless they want a veteran guy with Stanley Cup experience.

Maybe you could trade him to a contending team for a 1st round pick if we're fortunate, and we then bundle that extra draft pick to push a trade over the finish line for an all star tier top 6 forward with our own 1st round pick ++ like say for EP or Keller (again, both long shots at this point, but I'm keeping EP as my pipedream scenario), or more likely, for a less skilled but still very good forward like PLD or Lindholm. Lindholm is less certain with extending with us due to his likely high asking price and the FO thinking he won't be worth it (particularly in his late 20s).

Maybe we sign a winger like Zucker in free agency this summer to a short contract (that's also a little cheaper than his current one), and that helps as a solid short term replacement for trading TT, or less likely, Jarvis, while still making a trade for a highly skilled top 6 forward to upgrade our offense.
Disagree about the part of rebuilding teams. Even at his worst he's a middle six guy who has played in the playoffs almost every single year of his career and has his name on the Cup. No one 8s going to build around him but rebuilding teams absolutely want a guy like that on their team to mentor their young stars
 

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I think the most likely TT scenario is they keep him as a self rental like they’ve done in the past and let him test of FA. GMs have gotten smarter about signing someone in his circumstances to big money and term, but it only takes one desperate guy to send over a buck wild offer. You’ve got to think if he has another year closer to thirty points than seventy points what kind of action he’s going to see in FA.
 
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I wonder if TT signs cheaper than we expect. He signed his RFA deal very quickly with the Canes and for a team friendly deal at the time. Given his age and reduced output numbers over the last couple of years, maybe he decides he likes the stability and takes a longer and cheaper contract instead of testing free agency.
 

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If you trade TT to a rebuilding team, I bet he's going to show up drunk and out of shape after golf season. Might be the case anyway, trade or not.
 
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I wonder if TT signs cheaper than we expect. He signed his RFA deal very quickly with the Canes and for a team friendly deal at the time. Given his age and reduced output numbers over the last couple of years, maybe he decides he likes the stability and takes a longer and cheaper contract instead of testing free agency.
Teravainen is probably going to need to sign soon after July 1 if that's what he wants. Wait too long and the team may make the move pre-emptively.

Will they trade Teravainen to a rebuilding team? That doesn't make sense. Could they trade him to another contending team looking to move a forward in a similar contract situation? (Calgary: Lindholm, Toffoli; Winnipeg: part of a package for PLD; Florida: Reinhart; etc.)
 
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Jarvis doesn't really have many flaws to his game for a 21 year old. He's fast, he can take the puck to the net, and he plays a 200 ft game for the most part. He also wins more board battles than I would anticipate given his age and size, but he's never gonna be a Svech or Martinook. Which is fine. I think he's getting a lot of shots but they just aren't going in. If that changes he's probably more of a 60 pt player with goal scoring upside.
I still think he has Brayden Point upside. Needs to take some strides to get to that point but he could be that good. Also even if he does get there, it doesn't mean it'll translate to playoffs like Point's game has. That's a mentality thing and not many guys have it, jury is out on Jarvy. He has the natural skills though, which is exciting.
 

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I'm loathe to say it, but I suspect Jarvis ends up being injury-prone, starting sooner rather than later. He flat-out does not protect himself, and there's a limit to how many times a person can be thrown hard to the ice before something breaks. He's a guy I can very easily imagine having a Skinner-like arc, where there's a clear-cut end to the first chapter of his career.
 

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Disagree about the part of rebuilding teams. Even at his worst he's a middle six guy who has played in the playoffs almost every single year of his career and has his name on the Cup. No one 8s going to build around him but rebuilding teams absolutely want a guy like that on their team to mentor their young stars
Well, I did point out unless rebuilding teams want a veteran with Stanley Cup experience; so I accounted for that. Still, I doubt today's TT would be the main piece for a rebuilding team; particularly Vancouver and Arizona who I mentioned. I can't see them getting too excited about trading EP or Keller (both their best players on teams with little depth) for TT as the main piece. At the very least, Nikishin would probably be required. Why trade Jarvis if we view him as the internal replacement for TT? KK has gotten better, but would KK + TT be good enough for EP or Keller? I'm not sure, and if it's for Keller, we'd have a hole at 2C.

Teravainen is probably going to need to sign soon after July 1 if that's what he wants. Wait too long and the team may make the move pre-emptively.

Will they trade Teravainen to a rebuilding team? That doesn't make sense. Could they trade him to another contending team looking to move a forward in a similar contract situation? (Calgary: Lindholm, Toffoli; Winnipeg: part of a package for PLD; Florida: Reinhart; etc.)
Yeah, I think those teams would be more willing to trade those players for a TT package (since TT fits in well with their ages), than Vancouver or Arizona being willing to move EP and Keller respectively for TT as the main piece. The prices would be lower for those players too. Out of those, Lindholm and PLD would be the most expensive as the best players of the four you listed. All of those teams are bubble teams at worst, and so a veteran guy with skill like TT could be just what they need.
 
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I'm loathe to say it, but I suspect Jarvis ends up being injury-prone, starting sooner rather than later. He flat-out does not protect himself, and there's a limit to how many times a person can be thrown hard to the ice before something breaks. He's a guy I can very easily imagine having a Skinner-like arc, where there's a clear-cut end to the first chapter of his career.
If the second chapter of his career includes a 40 goal season and a huge contract, I think he'll be fine with that.
 

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