Seravalli: Canes discussing long term deal with Kotkaniemi, Canes want 8 years

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Whining about a 22 pts in 51 games player making 6.1 mil?

We're not whining about that, but Canes fans should..

It's not my money, so I really don't give a shit how much he's paid. Thanks for your concern, though

 

[trellaine201]

Something isn’t right with this rumor.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

The no move is a bit much.

Well, there's some things you might not know about negotiating. If I added a NTC then it'd be way too much but one of the two will be wanted in his next long-term contract.

 

[Mrfenn92]

8x$4.25

 

[sheed36]

The no move is a bit much.

If he did sign for 8 years the NMC wouldn't kick in until after the 3rd year of the extension was over (I believe) so if the Canes decided they wanted to move him they could move him before his NMC kicked in like the Habs did with Subban before his NMC kicked in.

 

[Stubu]

2mm per?

Two millimetres?

 

[HabsForHire]

In b4 Hab fans heads explode.

Why would they explode when we don't care lol

 

[Stubu]

Canes flat-out won the offer sheet in terms of value. IMO out of all of the questionable Bergevin moves, not matching the KK RFA contract was by far the worst of the bunch. A late 1st and a 3rd is laughably low asset value for a 21 year old center drafted #3 overall who was already in the NHL.

I don't see how you can massage the draft position into his value last off-season. Bergevin drafted for position out of desperation and all that jazz.

 

[Stubu]

Did you look at the standings or something?

Stop trolling.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

In b4 Hab fans heads explode.

???

 

[Seanaconda]

It's not Kotkaniemi that wants eight years... It's Carolina that wants it?

This doesn't make any sense.

I feel like the canes have been about the underpay over a long term deal train for a while, is why the aho oversheet happened in the first place . Over 8 for kotka I can't see them offering an aav he would accept yet tho

 

[Stubu]

Recent second and third line forwards who signed for 7 or 8 years as RFAs:

• Alex Killorn... $4.45m x 8y when the cap was at $71.5m
• Tyler Johnson... $5m x 7y when the cap was at $73m
• Viktor Arvidsson... $4.25m x 7y when the cap was at $73m
• Alex Tuch... $4.75m x 7y when the cap was at 79.5m
• Colton Sissons... $2.9m x 7y when the cap was at $81.5m

Cap goes up to $82.5m, figure that they see Kotkaniemi as Staal's heir at 2C, so after some arbitrary math, I'll guess we'll end up within a couple hundred thousand dollars AAV of either

$4.75m x 8y
$5.4m x 7y

That makes sense, but Canes would want to also massage in how he already got a few mil extra (that was a necessity for the offer sheeting rather than his value as a player).

Something like 4.25m x 8y?

If the rumor is correct, they are talking now, so maybe we'll see soon...

 

[japhi]

Two millimetres?

I should have used caps but in finance we use MM to represent millions, can also be thousands depending on your industry, or millimetres. Crazy web we weave pal.

 

[Stubu]

Problem is if Bergevin match, Kotkaniemi could not be traded for a calendar year. So you have a UFA contract and you are unable to trade it, if you don't agree on an extension.

IIUC, walking to UFA status next season is just one of the outcomes of abritration, in this (OS) case. Depends on if it's team elected or player elected arbitration, and which side rejects the QO, and whatnot; there's also an outcome where the player ends up RFA without a contract and can be traded for assets. (Or the extension talks start anew, obviously.)

@Lempo can you clarify this stuff?

 

[waitin425]

8 years - 6 mil per year.....KK's agent is a genius

 

[didimentionlarseller]

let Fox go and sign Kotka long term - interesting player choices

 

[Stubu]

I should have used caps but in finance we use MM to represent millions, can also be thousands depending on your industry, or millimetres. Crazy web we weave pal.

Just when I posted that, I remembered seeing that in metals trade. M for thousands, MM for millions, sort of a Roman numerals thing. This was particularly in USA and appeared in somewhat older documentation, but maybe it's still used there too.

I've also seen an attempt in the ship design industry to replace tonnes/tons with Gg for gigagram. Technically correct according to the SI system and very modern but somehow just... wrong. Crazy web indeed...

 

[Stubu]

8 years - 6 mil per year.....KK's agent is a genius

Why 6 mil per year? An extension (without the arbitration process) doesn't need to have anything to do with the figure in the OS. Granted, in that case his agent would be a genius, borderline magician.

 

[AvatarAang]

let Fox go and sign Kotka long term - interesting player choices

There’s still time to delete this post before you realize how dumb it is.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

There’s still time to delete this post before you realize how dumb it is.

I’ll be ok it’s just a hockey forum I just would have chosen Fox to go all in on of the 2

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Sorry to derail the conversation, but who was it that got a long term deal at like, 2 million per recently? Driving me nuts that I can't remember.

 

[Dishface]

I’ll be ok it’s just a hockey forum I just would have chosen Fox to go all in on of the 2

Fox only wanted to play in NY..... It was a blessing we even got anything for him, but since he was NHL ready, the Rangers traded for him instead of waiting a year.

 

[boboche]

I wouldn't reward a player who seems to lack the motivation/seriousness to improve on his weaknesses with a long term contract.

 

[GrandBison]

IIUC, walking to UFA status next season is just one of the outcomes of abritration, in this (OS) case. Depends on if it's team elected or player elected arbitration, and which side rejects the QO, and whatnot; there's also an outcome where the player ends up RFA without a contract and can be traded for assets. (Or the extension talks start anew, obviously.)

@Lempo can you clarify this stuff?

Kotkaniemi pretty much guaranteed himself 11.4 M$ (or a more valuable long term contract) over this season and next or UFA status. The Canes still have leverage to trade him if they can't agree on an extension but there is an other team want him at negotiated conditions or if they want the arbitration deal to come. Habs were screwed with the move as they can't trade a player that probably wants out and won't accept a lesser dealfor the next years. We could see that tactic happen more often as it obviously worked this time.

 

[Tripod]

4.35 x 8 years is my guess.