Rumor: Canes and Preds talking large deal around Saros and Necas

[Double Dion]

Trading a 25 y/o top 6 winger with top line potential (admittedly coming off a down year) and two more RFA years for a 29 y/o goalie in in the last year of his contract coming off his worst year statistically to date and looking for big dollars and a lot of term

What is Nashville adding to make this a fair deal?

You left out that the top 6 winger with top line potential doesn't play a lick of defense for a coach that demands 2 way play. There's not piles of difference between Kuzmenko and Necas. Necas is just a better version.

 

[HuGort]

Don’t know how credible this is but they aren’t only ones reporting this.

NHL rumors: Hurricanes, Predators talking Martin Necas-Juuse Saros trade

The Carolina Hurricanes and Nashville Predators both boast a star player who could get moved this offseason. Martin Necas for Juuse Saros?

clutchpoints.com

Be good trade for both teams. Canes get star they want for Necas. Preds add much needed offense.

 

[DaveG]

If they’re losing both Guentzel and Necas, it makes zero sense for the Canes to use their best trade chip (Necas) to acquire a goalie when they have 3 NHL goalies under contract and they’ll be in dire need replacing 2 top 6 scorers.

I’ve never really understood any of the “Necas for a goalie” rumors, as they just don’t add up.

it's never made sense. It's been a meme since 2022 when the team had to turn to a 22 YO Kochetkov in the playoffs because of injuries to Andersen and Raanta, the injury to the former arguably being the reason they were eliminated in the second round instead of past the Rangers in 5 that year. Yeah no shit goaltending was an issue in 2022, their options were a very green 3rd stringer or an injured backup.

2023 goaltending was NOT an issue, Andersen did everything he could to carry the team in the playoffs and they just couldn't score against the Panthers in the ECF in a series that could have gone either way.

This year is the first that you can legitimately say their starting goalie cost them since the year they had a rookie Ned in net. But they have 3 NHL goalies heading into next season that are under contract, and Kochetkov is no longer some green rookie but a guy that's showing he's capable of taking on a 1A type workload on an absolute bargain contact. The team re-allocating money from the net to add more scoring should be the goal right now, not trading scoring (our single most individually talented RFA at that) to add a goalie that's going to want north of $8M on a long term deal.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Be good trade for both teams. Canes get star they want for Necas. Preds add much needed offense.

Star? They want? Neither is true...Saros ain't the target in a Necas trade...not good for the Canes

 

[DaveG]

Be good trade for both teams. Canes get star they want for Necas. Preds add much needed offense.

it makes sense for Nashville, makes absolutely NONE for Carolina.

 

[HuGort]

it makes sense for Nashville, makes absolutely NONE for Carolina.

You getting one of best goalies in the game. You not going to do any better

 

[Chan790]

You getting one of best goalies in the game. You not going to do any better

Can he score goals, center a top-6 line, or play right D?

Because those are our 3 biggest needs. Conversely, we have 3 NHL goalies under contract.

 

[DaveG]

You getting one of best goalies in the game. You not going to do any better

We already have a good goalie. We have three under contract, and two of them are starter caliber. What part of "the money needs to be allocated to more scoring" is so hard to understand?

 

[Dr Quincy]

What teams have won with a high priced goalie recently? Tampa and Florida if they win tonight?

Carolina has been eliminated by FLA the last 2 years
By Shesterkin the 2 years before that
By Vasilevksi the year before that
By Rask the 2 years before that


Shesterkin isn't "high priced" though he's not cheap, and will be paid a lot on his next deal.

I'd say Carolina has seen first hand for 7 years in a row the value of goaltending.

 

[HuGort]

We already have a good goalie. We have three under contract, and two of them are starter caliber. What part of "the money needs to be allocated to more scoring" is so hard to understand?

Netminding killed ya, watching playoffs

 

[Derailed75]

Ok. Good luck with that.

We will. I have had a lot more great memories over the LAST SIX STRAIGHT YEARS GOING DEEP INTO THE PLAYOFFS, than the one flash-in-the-pan year in 06 when they won the cup. If you would rather watch your team win a cup one time and then spend the next 10 years watching them play in a mostly empty barn filled by more of the opponent's fans than your fellow fans. By all means go ahead. I will take being cup favorites year in year out.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

can we down grade this to speculation? this isnt a credible site.

 

[herzausstein]

Maybe some sort of odd large deal involving Novak, Saros, Necas, Kotkaniemi, Andersen?

 

[Chan790]

Maybe some sort of odd large deal involving Novak, Saros, Necas, Kotkaniemi, Andersen?

That feels incredibly lopsided in favor of the Preds.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Carolina has been eliminated by FLA the last 2 years
By Shesterkin the 2 years before that
By Vasilevksi the year before that
By Rask the 2 years before that


Shesterkin isn't "high priced" though he's not cheap, and will be paid a lot on his next deal.

I'd say Carolina has seen first hand for 7 years in a row the value of goaltending.

Last three years it was Rangers, Panthers, Rangers that eliminated us but otherwise your point is still a good one.

 

[herzausstein]

That feels incredibly lopsided in favor of the Preds.

Depends on what you think about the individual pieces.

Kotkaniemi - positive value player with room to still grow vs albatross contract begging to be bought out

Andersen - health issues

Necas and the capspace gained

 

[Kahvi]

Pagnotta speculated that Preds might get Canes interested, if they included Saros. Article headline: "Hurricanes, Predators discussing Martin Necas-Juuse Saros trade"

as clickbaity as it could be, hoping that people dont actually have time to read the article and just see that there's some source included.

 

[HabzSauce]

A better question is how many teams playoff runs have been ruined by poor goaltending? Price, Vasilevsky, Bob, Oettinger. Look at the goalies in the finals the past 4 years, most are top tenders, even if they weren't high paid. Price / Vasi was the final a few years back, two highest paid goalies in the league.

As goalies get a larger share of the cap going forward, this myth that you don't need to spend on a goalie will die a deserved death,

And yes, you can win with a mid tier goalie if you have an incredible team and that goalie gets hot, But that isn't a winning strategy.

Big reason why I think people believe you don't need a good goalie anymore is because there just aren't that many around these days. We've become numb to watching trash between the pipes.

I swear 10 years ago we had way more talent in G. Price, Holtby, Bishop, Rask, Crawford, Quick, Lundqvist, Miller, Rinne, Luongo....list goes on and on and on

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

That feels incredibly lopsided in favor of the Preds.

Depends on how you rate them. From a Preds POV I see a goaltender we don't need, an overpaid bottom 6er, and a 55 pt winger that wants big money in exchange for one of our most consistently valuable players in Saros and a middle 6er on reasonable money/term in Novak.

 

[Chrispy]

Depends on how you rate them. From a Preds POV I see a goaltender we don't need, an overpaid bottom 6er, and a 55 pt winger that wants big money in exchange for one of our most consistently valuable players in Saros and a middle 6er on reasonable money/term in Novak.

And I see a rental goalie and a middle 6 player for a young top 6 wing, a long term signed 3C with a cheap buyout if needed, and a slightly worse rental goalie.

The difference in one season between Andersen and Saros isn’t enough to deal Necas.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

And I see a rental goalie and a middle 6 player for a young top 6 wing, a long term signed 3C with a cheap buyout if needed, and a slightly worse rental goalie.

The difference in one season between Andersen and Saros isn’t enough to deal Necas.

Sounds like most of us are happy not taking a deal around these players then.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

This is nonsense, Necas obviously wants to come home to Chicago.
He used to wear Wolves pajamas or something.

 

[Negan4Coach]

So Carolina, practically the inventor of "goalies aren't differentiable on the whole, so we won't pay them like they are" is going to pay big for a goalie?

Hopefully they have realized that attitude is folly.


losing Necas would sting but I support

 

[Chan790]

Hopefully they have realized that attitude is folly.


losing Necas would sting but I support

I think we've proven it actually. We make mediocre goalies look good and better goaltending wouldn't have won us anything. At this point, the difference between what we have (Freddie, PK, Martin) and better tending ( e.g. Saros) is a matter of diminishing returns.

Our problem hasn't been keeping opponents off the scoreboard as much as it's not managing to break through against great goaltending.

 

[Derailed75]

I agree, who the heck likes playoff hockey

Yeah so much better watching a complete shit team rarely make the playoffs and when they do have a very low chance of winning the cup. God who the hell would rather watch their team be one of the best teams in the league year in year out, and win at least one playoff series every year. Dummies!