Rumor: Canes and Preds talking large deal around Saros and Necas

[SEALBound]

If it's Necas...I might be asking for Askarov.

But Necas +/- for a Preds goalie +/- is a logical base for a deal. That would be a big add for both sides.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

But they were there.

Carolina is too good of a team to keep bowing out due to inconsistent goaltenders.

Special teams has been far more of an issue for Carolina in the playoffs then goaltending.

 

[Kranix]

Multiple blogs and media people speculating about two teams isn't a rumor.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think if the Preds were uncomfortable with the contract Saros is looking for, they would have known about it sooner, and moved him sooner. He would be in New Jersey already instead of Markstrom. Necas is a nice enough player who would help the Preds, but he's not overall as impactful as Saros... the Preds could only make this trade if Saros is looking for an untenable contract and they're willing to take a loss in the trade as a result. But if he is looking for an untenable contract, then that's hardly going to be Carolina's cup of tea - even if they needed a goalie, which they don't. Definitely reads like clickbait to me. The pieces don't fit.

 

[Svechhammer]

Who's even in charge in Carolina currently?

Same guy who has been calling the shots for a while, he's just also behind the mic now as well.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Over the last 5 years they have the third most regular season wins.

Second most over the last 3 years.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Yet inferior goaltending have been their demise almost every year they made it into the playoff. Their exit a few weeks ago all while dominating the play have been a prime example of it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

this is nhltradeumors.me level stuff.

 

[Chrispy]

Yet inferior goaltending have been their demise almost every year they made it into the playoff. Their exit a few weeks ago all while dominating the play have been a prime example of it.

This is the first year you could argue the starting goalie was the issue. Goal scoring in the postseason was a major issue against Tampa in 2021, against the Rangers in 2022 even with backup goalies, and particularly against Florida in 2023.

If the solution is to find a goalie who can shut out Tampa and NYR and Florida regularly, then Carolina's not winning the cup.

 

[Svechhammer]

Yet inferior goaltending have been their demise almost every year they made it into the playoff. Their exit a few weeks ago all while dominating the play have been a prime example of it.

Freddie was ass this year, yes.

Last year, we went out because our scoring went AWOL in the ECF while Freddie stood on his head. Which is usually the reason we get eliminated, even this year with the PP going to shit, again, in the postseason.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Who's even in charge in Carolina currently?

Dundon.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

If the best they can get for Necas is Saros... that's a yikes.

But do you, Carolina.

Saros >>>> Necas, Canes should take that and run like hell

 

[TheBeard]

I'd take my chances in the playoffs as one of the leagues best teams, rather than one who snuck into the playoffs.

Ok. Good luck with that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Saros >>>> Necas, Canes should take that and run like hell

nah. age, next contract, and the likeihood of the decline of saros during the majority of the contract makes this far from true.

 

[Regal]

If the best they can get for Necas is Saros... that's a yikes.

But do you, Carolina.

Very different players and situations but Saros should have at least similar and likely more value than Necas. Whether the Canes should target an elite goalie is debatable though.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

What teams have won with a high priced goalie recently? Tampa and Florida if they win tonight?

I think that's a lazy defense. Goaltending is the single most reason why teams don't win a cup. An average goalie can suffice over 82 games but the Avs are one of the few teams to win without stellar goaltending. The reason not that many highly paid goalies win cups is because there's just not that many highly paid goalies. Two of the three Vezina nominees make relative peanuts.

I mean just take these playoffs as an example, goalies affected almost every single series and even from game to game. The Panthers cruised to the finals went up 3-0 and Bob was spectacular while Skinner wasn't. The last three games Skinner has been better than Bob and now it's game seven and chances are it will be decided by a goalie.
The rags sucked in the playoffs but their goalie almost dragged them to the cup. Woll got it to game seven after coming in gets hurt leafs lose game seven. Helly blew chunks jets got clobbered etc etc etc.

If the canes just once got elite goaltending the last 5-6 years they likely win a cup. Demko doesn't get hurt the nucks very likely are the Canadian team still playing and that's not a knock on the oilers who are fantastic but Skinner is no Demko and if he played better the oilers likely win the cup in six.
It really baffles me how so many people discount just how important goaltending is, especially in a best of seven series where so many games are decided by one goal

 

[Djp]

If the best they can get for Necas is Saros... that's a yikes.

But do you, Carolina.

Or what else os carolina adding to get Saros

 

[bleedgreen]

It would certainly be against the grain for Canes management to go after Saros. An extension would probably have to be in place and not be outrageous.

I could see the Canes not wanting to wait another year to fix the goaltending though.

This feels like clickbait.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Very different players and situations but Saros should have at least similar and likely more value than Necas. Whether the Canes should target an elite goalie is debatable though.

Value is always relative to team needs, but anyway as much as the Preds need some 2nd line offense, we don't have any other starting goalie either, and having a goalie is more valuable to us than a 50-60 pt forward, so Saros > Necas for the Preds. As long as contracts don't trip things up.

No idea how the inequality stacks up for the Canes, but it sure looks to me like they already have 2 goalies who have put up acceptable numbers as starters in the NHL, so even if they've already broadcast their intent to move Necas, the value is still probably "whatever some other team is offering for Necas" > Saros-to-a-team-that-already-has-2-decent-NHL-goalies-signed.

 

[DaveG]

If it's Necas...I might be asking for Askarov. Forsberg

But Necas +/- for a Preds goalie +/- is a logical base for a deal. That would be a big add for both sides.

Ftfy. Canes and Preds don't make sense as trading partners for Necas.

And yes, no shit the Canes aren't getting Forsberg. That's kinda my point.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

So Carolina, practically the inventor of "goalies aren't differentiable on the whole, so we won't pay them like they are" are going to pay big for a goalie?

Waddell is gone.

Value is always relative to team needs, but anyway as much as the Preds need some 2nd line offense, we don't have any other starting goalie either, and having a goalie is more valuable to us than a 50-60 pt forward, so Saros > Necas for the Preds. As long as contracts don't trip things up.

No idea how the inequality stacks up for the Canes, but it sure looks to me like they already have 2 goalies who have put up acceptable numbers as starters in the NHL, so even if they've already broadcast their intent to move Necas, the value is still probably "whatever some other team is offering for Necas" > Saros-to-a-team-that-already-has-2-decent-NHL-goalies-signed.

Askarov exists. I think he’s ready after watching the AHL playoffs.

 

[General Fanager]

If it's Necas...I might be asking for Askarov.

But Necas +/- for a Preds goalie +/- is a logical base for a deal. That would be a big add for both sides.

Carolina is trying to win now. They aren't waiting 2-3 years for him to be a #1

 

[FlyguyOX]

Waddell is gone.



Askarov exists. I think he’s ready after watching the AHL playoffs.

Tulsky is the analytics savant.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Askarov exists. I think he’s ready after watching the AHL playoffs.

Askarov got pulled in the AHL playoffs and then injured... he doesn't seem ready to be an NHL starter. He had pretty decent numbers on a very strong AHL team, but definitely has a lot to work on. Maybe he will be ready in a few years.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Askarov got pulled in the AHL playoffs and then injured... he doesn't seem ready to be an NHL starter. He had pretty decent numbers on a very strong AHL team, but definitely has a lot to work on. Maybe he will be ready in a few years.

He was drafted in 2020 as the #11 pick. I’d be surprised if he was in the AHL for more than conditioning next season.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

He was drafted in 2020 as the #11 pick. I’d be surprised if he was in the AHL for more than conditioning next season.

Even if the Preds uncharacteristically advance him as backup before he's truly ready, which isn't something the organization does often, that won't make him a starting goalie. I'd put the odds about 80% he'll be in the AHL. I guess we'll see what goalies the Preds sign next week, then we'll have our answer.