HabbyGuy
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No I gave you the reasons why others would pass, YOU gave me nothing, let's be clear.
Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS
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No I gave you the reasons why others would pass, YOU gave me nothing, let's be clear.
The Real Timo
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I usually don't remember these thigns... has draft always been that close to July 1 free agency? I mean, do they realize that for some of us that might be TOO much excitement to take? where my pills at?...
HabbyGuy
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Which is why I've said countless times I have huge doubts Michkov will even be available to us. Can you please try and stay on the topic posed?
not quite yoda
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If you trade down you can pick (like i said) a 1st round pick that is much earlier.
David Suzuki
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The only thing you've said is the following
Ducks, Blue Jackets & Sharks passing on Michkov to draft one of Fantili, Carlsson & Smith, is justifiable because you think they're in the same tier as Michkov.
But you think the Habs passing on Michkov to draft one of Leonard, Benson or Reinbacher, isn't justifiable because you think they're in a tier below.
This is your interpretation of their draft values. OK, fair.
But everything i've read/heard about Michkov says that based on talent alone, not a single team in the top 5 other than the Chicago Blackhawks should be passing on him.
Soooooooo...if that's the case, and he does end up there @ #5, to me (and not based on YOUR ranking of prospect tiers) there's clearly external factors that are affecting his draft value. The same variables that the 4 teams ahead of the Montreal Canadiens have also considered.
I think you're too wrapped up in trying to think i'm debating whether or not Michkov is a worthy pick @ 5...he 100% is.
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WinterLion
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I don't know what I believe anymore!!!
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I don’t think they will, and given the “inside info” they could get from Bobrov, if they don’t I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt……. Short term anyway
Yeah, I never said otherwise...again, if I had to make the choice and Michkov was available when I was picking 5. The odds are very high i'd be picking him.
But at the same time, I completely understand why any team in the top 5 would pass on him for the many reasons we all know which have little to do with his ability/talent.
I mean, imagine having the opportunity to pick him in the top 5, but you haven't been able to see him play live the last 2 years and you're not sure whether or not you will be able to even if you draft him.
Never mind on when he is able to sign and come to North America (which is is probably an exagerated concern at this point).
HabbyGuy
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And those external factors have been established as the cloud of mystery surrounding him and inabilty to get a full evaluation, and geopolitical issues and nothing to do with his talent. I get all that. No one is disagreeing with this assesment, It's a given that these will be the only reasons at this point his pre draft value would be where it is.
My ranking of tiers is not of consequence here, even if they completely coincide with those who do this for a living. Ofcourse all the other teams ahead of us will all be weighing the same considerations as us in regards to Michkov. But there are obvious reasons other than external factors as to why they may pass. Those being players of perceived equal value without the extenuating circumstances and the strength of position that they play, unless you haven't noticed all 3 players ranked ahead of Michkov in Bob's list are all centers. A huge plus in the evaluation of a prospect.
We will not be afforded the same options and therfor not even remotely in the same boat as those above us.
So the question still remains. Why would we pass on the clearly the best prospect available to us, if we woud be lucky enough for him to land there at this time, today, before the interviews etc.
Because for the last 6 weeks leading up to this point this has never been explained.
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waffledave
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This is why teams are setting up interviews with him.
Bob even said they want to talk to him, get a feel for if he's coming over, if he's planning on signing an extension, etc... They want to hear this from his mouth before deciding how much risk they're willing to take.
If he says he's trying to get out of his KHL contract and come over early, the teams ahead of us might decide to take him. If he says anything that hints he may stay longer than his current KHL contract, or he says anything else that raises a red flag, then he may go later than expected.
None of these teams have even spoken to him yet.
Everything points to us not picking him...
So obviously our sly conductor is picking him. It wouldn't floor me in the least.
My concerns have always been non hockey related except for the contract.
If he wants to play here maybe the contract could be bought out.
Is there anything preventing Michkov from taking a personal loan to get it done?
So obviously our sly conductor is picking him. It wouldn't floor me in the least.
My concerns have always been non hockey related except for the contract.
If he wants to play here maybe the contract could be bought out.
Is there anything preventing Michkov from taking a personal loan to get it done?
HabbyGuy
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Yes. Ofcourse. Which I why I doubt he'll be there at 5, as I have no concerns personally that he wants to play in the NHL.
waffledave
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Habs can't help him in any official capacity and even unofficially it could cause issues with cap circumvention.
With Global Warming maybe he prefers a moderate climate and I'm not worried about him going to Columbus.
Personal loans have nothing to do with the Habs. I doubt collateral would be an issue and it would obviously be a very short term. Enough juice should be able to get it done in Russia.
Yeah, I think this is a very real possibility as well.
I can already hear the talking heads on the broadcast saying something to the effect of....
"Well the San Jose Sharks, have decided that all of the noise surrounding Michkov is just that, noise. Obviously after meeting with him this weekend, they believe that he will be coming over to the NHL, and the only question remaining is when that will be. We all know he is under contract until 2026, but there are provisions in place with his contract where it can be bought out. Only time will tell. But, the Sharks, must have some degree of confidence that this will happen."
"I agree. What the Sharks have here is a player that when he comes over...in 3 years or sooner, will have an immediate impact on their franchise. We are talking about a player with not just great potential but Generational potential. Many sources inside Russia, believe that this kid is as good if not better than Connor Bedard. This could be the biggest steal of this draft."
"Now it's time for the Montreal Canadiens to make their 5th selection."
FML
I get it. We're not necessarily in disagreement. What you're saying makes a lot of sense.
That's why from the jump, i've said that i'm really hoping another team head of us picks Michkov so we're not stuck with this decision honestly.
Well it wouldn't be explained, the organization isn't going to give us that kind of insight leading up to the draft...but perhaps after the draft we'll get a behind-the-scenes video about their evaluations.
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