Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[austin316]

Imagine being the organization passing on Michkov for Reinbacher or Leonard. Woof

 

[Milhouse40]

He's right again. Assuming they see both as equals talent wise, I think it'll be Reinbacher, because of positional need.

Maybe but Leonard also fill a need, but it's not positional.

He's the Barbashev, Nichushkin, Tkachuk type of player....with the skills of Tkachuk level.
We do have Caufield, RHP, Roy, Farrell, Heineman, Slafkovsky as prospect on the wing but none has that type of game in them and all teams wants these type of players when the PO starts.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Nicolas Cloutier was on a podcast on TVA Sports. He was one of the few journalists who were at the combine.

No Michkov in his opinion.3
He said what he’s heard is that Smith would be the guy for Hughes.

If he’s not there at 5 he said the habs has Reinbacher and Leonard as their guys.

In his opinion before the combine reinbacher would’ve been in front of Leonard because he’d a RHD but after the combine he’s not so sure, he’s heard Reinbacher apparently had a difficult interview with the habs and think the habs could turn to Leonard because he would fit better in the montreal market, Might think Reinbacher could not take Montreal pressure because of his personality type.

Reinbacher does come off as soft and really shy. As opposed to Leonard who just Chads around and makes everyone in the room laugh.

Maybe but Loenard also fill a need, but it's not positional.

He's the Barbashev, Nichushkin, Tkachuk type of player....with the skills of Tkachuk level.
We do have Caufield, RHP, Roy, Farrell, Heineman, Slafkovsky as prospect on the wing but none has that type of game in them and all teams wants these type of players when the PO starts.

He does fill a need to a certain extent, but we only have Barron and Mailloux on the pipeline as RD. Barron is not established, his development could go either way. Mailloux is my favorite prospect, but he isn't a sure thing either.

One argument against drafting Reinbacher is just how D heavy next year's draft is and we have another two potential first round picks next season as well. So that might be something to consider. You pick the rarer player in Leonard, and acquire your RD next season.

I would love Leonard. Provided Michkov is DND and Smith if off the board, he has always been my guy as I believe he's the best of the rest 2023.

But I'm not sure if the habs have Leonard ahead of Reinbacher talent wise. Which is why I believe they take Reinbacher in the tie break.

 

[Runner77]

seems like a stand off

I see another bet brewing involving yet another duel that may only be decided many years from now.

 

[SlafySZN]

Reinbacher does come off as soft and really shy. As opposed to Leonard who just Chads around and makes everyone in the room laugh.



He does fill a need to a certain extent, but we only have Barron and Mailloux on the pipeline as RD. Barron is not established, his development could go either way. Mailloux is my favorite prospect, but he isn't a sure thing either.

One argument against drafting Reinbacher is just how D heavy next year's draft is and we have another two potential first round picks next season as well. So that might be something to consider. You pick the rarer player in Leonard, and acquire your RD next season.

I would love Leonard. Provided Michkov is DND and Smith if off the board, he has always been my guy as I believe he's the best of the rest 2023.

But I'm not sure if the habs have Leonard ahead of Reinbacher talent wise. Which is why I believe they take Reinbacher in the tie break.

100%

The place you’re drafted can really make a difference on how you develop depending on your type of personality. If they think Reinbacher could have a hard time get to his potential here, better to take the winger, who is also a need in the line up anyway and has huge potential. Plus like you said next year’s draft is a dman draft.

 

[Runner77]

Probably right and he also said he as no info on who the Habs are gonna take at the draft this year but he seems to be leaning Leonard with the other option maybe being Reinbacher.

McCagg also said that he regularly consults with 6 scouts to arrive at his evaluations.

I’m surprised he’s found 6 people, never mind scouts, that will actually agree to interact with him.

 

[morhilane]

Nicolas Cloutier was on a podcast on TVA Sports. He was one of the few journalists who were at the combine.

No Michkov in his opinion.3
He said what he’s heard is that Smith would be the guy for Hughes.

If he’s not there at 5 he said the habs has Reinbacher and Leonard as their guys.

In his opinion before the combine reinbacher would’ve been in front of Leonard because he’d a RHD but after the combine he’s not so sure, he’s heard Reinbacher apparently had a difficult interview with the habs and think the habs could turn to Leonard because he would fit better in the montreal market, Might think Reinbacher could not take Montreal pressure because of his personality type.

Since the Habs don't leak anything ever since HuGo took control, I really wonder where the "Habs not impressed with Reinbacher interview" comes from.

The first time it was brought up, it was a journalist who wasn't impressed after talking to Reinbacher directly who was extrapolating that the Habs wouldn't like that kind of personality.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I see another bet brewing involving yet another duel that may only be decided many years from now.

No, not necessarily. This is more a disagreement about draft philosophy, and buiding towards the future.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Just give me the one with the highest upside.

Everyone broadly agrees with picking the guy with the highest upside, but the guy with the highest upside is Michkov and there is a chance they don't pick him so we're discussing other players. The decision will not be primarily due to upside/BPA/prospect evaluation so it's a bit of a sidebar, if they pass on Michkov it will be due to the nuances of his specific situation, not because they don't value upside or skill (they took Mesar and Hutson with two of their top 4 picks last year, and just gave Caufield a 63 million dollar extension, this FO clearly is not just a bunch of size queen neanderthals).

Nobody is arguing that Reinbacher or Leonard have higher upside than Michkov, but there is a possibility that they won't take him and in a scenario where the Habs have decided not to take Michkov for off-ice/political/contract/other reasons, the whole "highest upside" argument is not really applicable anymore, especially given I think they're locked in on taking Smith if he's available.

I just don't really see a clear "highest upside" or "BPA" between Reinbacher, Leonard, or Benson. Leonard and Benson's ceilings are 1st line forwards, and Reinbacher's ceiling is a top pair defenceman, those are not complimentary pieces. If you want to say best playmaker available/highest potential point producer as a reason to take eg. Benson that's fine and reasonable (and I won't be mad if Benson is our guy), but that is not the same thing as "highest upside".

Reinbacher does come off as soft and really shy. As opposed to Leonard who just Chads around and makes everyone in the room laugh.

I think this would be a bit more of a concern for me if he was more timid on the ice. He plays very aggressively and is not shy about playing a physical game, I'm pretty comfortable chalking up the more timid interview stuff to him being an 18-year-old doing interviews in a second language (especially given he was interviewed by a Francophone reporter, so it's two people using a second language).

 

[HabbyGuy]

Everyone broadly agrees with picking the guy with the highest upside, but the guy with the highest upside is Michkov and there is a chance they don't pick him so we're discussing other players. The decision will not be primarily due to upside/BPA/prospect evaluation so it's a bit of a sidebar, they aren't going to potentially pass on Michkov because of upside or because they want to "draft for need", it will be about the specific nuances of this specific player and the context around him.

Nobody is arguing that Reinbacher or Leonard have higher upside than Michkov, but there is a possibility that they won't take him and in a scenario where the Habs have decided not to take Michkov for off-ice/political/contract/other reasons, the whole "highest upside" argument is not really applicable anymore. I also think they're pretty much locked in on Smith if he drops to 5 so again, the whole "highest upside" thing is not particularly relevant given they're almost certainly going to take Smith if he's there, and if they decide to pass on Michkov it will be about other factors, not because they think he has lower upside.

I just don't really see a clear "highest upside" or "BPA" between Reinbacher, Leonard, or Benson. Leonard and Benson's ceilings are 1st line forwards, and Reinbacher's ceiling is a top pair defenceman, those are not complimentary pieces. If you want to say best playmaker available/highest potential point producer as a reason to take eg. Benson that's fine and reasonable (and I won't be mad if Benson is our guy), but that is not the same thing as "highest upside" nor does it make Leonard or Reinbacher "reaches" if Michkov is ruled out and Smith is off the board.


I think this would be a bit more of a concern for me if he was more timid on the ice. He plays very aggressively and is not shy about playing a physical game, I'm pretty comfortable chalking up the more timid interview stuff to him being an 18-year-old doing interviews in a second language (especially given he was interviewed by a Francophone reporter, so it's two people using a second language).

I understand that.

And under that scenario I can see the allure of Leonard no doubt.

I just personally would absolutely not pass on Michkov if given the opportunity to choose.

It's a huge whiff of a swing on a glorious opportunity. Hell it's not even a swing if the bat doesn't even come of the shoulder. It's like watching 3 fastballs goes past you right down the heart of the plate.

Swing damnit!!

 

[Koivu11]

Imagine being the organization passing on Michkov for Reinbacher or Leonard. Woof

Not sure how Kent could justify his statements about drafting the most talented player/BPA if that’s what we do.

 

[sheed36]

McCagg also said that he regularly consults with 6 scouts to arrive at his evaluations.

I’m surprised he’s found 6 people, never mind scouts, that will actually agree to interact with him.

I did a bit of research and found his 6 scouts.

 

[Runner77]

I just personally would absolutely not pass on Michkov if given the opportunity to choose.

I may be completely wrong here but I believe this is the first time you’ve made that statement in this thread.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I did a bit of research and found his 6 scouts.

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I love that you didn't care it could imply something else entirely

 

[Runner77]

I did a bit of research and found his 6 scouts.

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These guys look gullible enough.

Must have lured them thanks to his warm, gracious and engaging personality.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I just personally would absolutely not pass on Michkov if given the opportunity to choose.

It's a huge whiff of a swing on a glorious opportunity. IMO

Yeah, my own personal view of it is that the potential reward with Michkov is absolutely worth the risk, but at this point I'm just going to accept that there's probably information we're not aware of publicly so I'm not going to freak out about it either way.

Hopefully we just take him, but I'd be happy with any of Michkov, Smith, Reinbacher, Leonard, or Benson (or Carlsson if that somehow happens but I really doubt it). I've just kinda been frustrated with the whole "take BPA" thing because I think it's sorta wishy-washy given that Michkov and Smith are the only clear BPAs we could plausibly take, and they're almost certainly going to draft Smith if he's there + Michkov wouldn't really be about taking BPA or not.

 

[sheed36]

Not sure how Kent could justify his statements about drafting the most talented player/BPA if that’s what we do.

It would be even worse if he then went in front of a camera and tried to convince Hab fans the player they took other than Michkov was considered the most talented or BPA available when they picked.

That just wouldn't fly with this fanbase no matter how hard he would try to convince us otherwise.

 

[SlafySZN]

Since the Habs don't leak anything ever since HuGo took control, I really wonder where the "Habs not impressed with Reinbacher interview" comes from.

The first time it was brought up, it was a journalist who wasn't impressed after talking to Reinbacher directly who was extrapolating that the Habs wouldn't like that kind of personality.

Cloutier specifically said he had a difficult interview with the habs, heard about it at the combine. Completely aside from Martineau’s interview with Reinbacher.

Might only be a rumour that was going around during the combine, who knows.

 

[HuGo Sham]

These guys look gullible enough.

Must have lured them thanks to his warm, gracious and engaging personality.

and some warm milk and scout cookies

 

[Runner77]

McCagg as the Habs passing on Michkov and as them taking Leonard in his mock draft and thinks it's either gonna be him or Reinbacher. He as Michkov going 6th to Arizona.

Will Michkov even want to be interviewed by a laundromat franchise slated to take its sorry show to more home locations than Cirque du Soleil?

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

I love you guys but holy shit the insanity in this thread on so many levels from so many walks of life. The entitlement is f***ing hilarious too.

Go Habs go!

 

[Runner77]

It would be even worse if he then went in front of a camera and tried to convince Hab fans the player they took other than Michkov was considered the most talent or BPA available when they picked.

That just wouldn't fly with this fanbase no matter how hard he would try to convince us otherwise.

To be fair, when Hughes was asked about Michkov in a recent presser, he said in the same breath as his BPA comment, that they would have to give due consideration to the geopolitical aspects involved.

 

[sheed36]

I love that you didn't care it could imply something else entirely

It did cross my mind that someone might think that way but hoped they wouldn't. I didn't intend to imply it that way but here we are.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I love that you didn't care it could imply something else entirely

sorry @sheed36 couldn't resist.

 

[Hacketts]

I love you guys but holy shit the insanity in this thread on so many levels from so many walks of life. The entitlement is f***ing hilarious too.

Go Habs go!

that time of the year where every poster thinks they got the inside track.