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Runner77 said:
When you reach for needs on an early pick, you end up with the likes of KK.

The idea is to secure maximum value with that early pick, no matter where it lies. If the asset is redundant, it only means that you can consolidate that value via a subsequent trade.
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Agreed, but where would we be reaching here? We have needs all over the board and the top of this draft is filled with offensively gifted players. Something we could never have enough of, I don't see how choosing one of them would be considered a reach for need, just the right thing to do.

It's usually only in the top of a draft where you're able to acquire these kind of players, we're not going to get many high picks moving forward. Picking a D where it is our strongest position atleast in regards to depth seems counter productive to me.

Also I believe there are plenty of players with much higher upside than Reinbacher available to us.
 
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River Meadow said:
Oh wow, so you believe Reinbacher is the BPA outside of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith?

Interesting
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BPA is subjective when players are in the same tier.

Assuming that Michkov is on their no draft list then Reinbacher is in that next tier of players along with a few wingers and Dvorsky.
 
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OnTheRun said:
If they project him as a top pairing D, then yes, the argument could be made.
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I'm scared

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Balthazar said:
BPA is subjective when players are in the same tier.

Assuming that Michkov is on their no draft list then Reinbacher is in that next tier of players along with a few wingers and Dvorsky.
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In 6 years when we will compare who became the best player between Leonard, Dvosrky, Benson Danielson, Reinbacher, Willander, Moore and Sandin-Pilikka, we can be surprised.
 
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OnTheRun said:
Scared of what? Your own non-existent argument?

You want BPA... Olli was conceivably BPA at 5. And that's what you were asking for earlier.
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On se calme les nair la, there is no need for the hostility. Breathe.


Scared that Reinbacher turns out to be another Juolevi.

A 6ft2 dman who is great, but doesn't do any one thing spectacularly.. I don't think Reinbacher will bust like Juolevi but very concerned what is actual upside is in the long term.

I don't see many hockey publications that have Reinbacher at 5, I'm not sure if there are any, at least there aren't any on this list: Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center

Mid-Season McKenzie had Reinbacher at 20.
 
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River Meadow said:
On se calme les nair la, there is no need for the hostility. Breathe.


Scared that Reinbacher turns out to be another Juolevi.

A 6ft2 dman who is great, but doesn't do any one thing spectacularly.. I don't think Reinbacher will bust like Juolevi but very concerned what is actual upside is in the long term.

I don't see many hockey publications that have Reinbacher at 5, I'm not sure if there are any, at least there aren't any on this list: Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center

Mid-Season McKenzie had Reinbacher at 20.
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Not that far off to be honest, Juolevi was considered a safe pick with elite playmaking ability and no visible weaknesses. He was projected to become a top 2 or worse top 4 defenseman in the NHL.

It is quite possible that Reinbacher end up having a similar career and end up as a huge bust. I do not see elite traits with him and I do not see aggressiveness or elite burst of talent that let me believe he will develop into a real beast in the future.

For all the possibilities of player we select at 5, I would easily say that him would be the worst selection by a landslide.
 
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River Meadow said:
On se calme les nair la, there is no need for the hostility. Breathe.


Scared that Reinbacher turns out to be another Juolevi.

A 6ft2 dman who is great, but doesn't do any one thing spectacularly.. I don't think Reinbacher will bust like Juolevi but very concerned what is actual upside is in the long term.

I don't see many hockey publications that have Reinbacher at 5, I'm not sure if there are any, at least there aren't any on this list: Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center

Mid-Season McKenzie had Reinbacher at 20.
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Then why Reinbacher in particular? You should be concerned with the actual long term upside of anyone drafted in that range. There is a ridiculous gap between projected upside of a 18 years old and what they actually do in the NHL. It's kind of why redraft look wildly different than the actual draft.

Odds is someone drafted top4 this year will become a disappointment, if this draft is like any other draft.
 
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Runner77 said:
This whole Michkov selectiveness and allegedly avoiding certain teams may be nothing more than a nothing burger and likely the result of overextrapolating from Friedman soundbytes that contained a lot of caveats to begin with:



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I'm expecting the latter. He flies in early and does interviews. I can see him not interviewing with certain teams if he doesn't want to get drafted by them. Pull a Jagr.
 
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River Meadow said:
On se calme les nair la, there is no need for the hostility. Breathe.


Scared that Reinbacher turns out to be another Juolevi.

A 6ft2 dman who is great, but doesn't do any one thing spectacularly.. I don't think Reinbacher will bust like Juolevi but very concerned what is actual upside is in the long term.

I don't see many hockey publications that have Reinbacher at 5, I'm not sure if there are any, at least there aren't any on this list: Elite Prospects - NHL Draft Center

Mid-Season McKenzie had Reinbacher at 20.
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Are you still scared?

 
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MarkovsKnee said:
I'm expecting the latter. He flies in early and does interviews. I can see him not interviewing with certain teams if he doesn't want to get drafted by them. Pull a Jagr.
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Even if he limits the teams that get to
interview him, we can say confidently that the Habs will be among the teams he interacts with.
 
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I really don't want a dman with the 5th overall. Smith is my ideal pick. Michkov if they feel he's worth it (honestly I think if he really were as good as they say he would go top 3, but I defer to our scouts). Otherwise I am very happy to take Leonard, he just seems like a can't go wrong kind of guy with tons of upside. I would not be surprised to see him blossom into a huge point producer in the NHL with his tenacity. He reminds me of both Tkachuks in that he plays hard and has a perceived low ceiling offensively that ends up being bs.

I like Benson too but I don't buy all the roses being thrown around. I see a tendency for people here to instantly glam onto certain players that are described as "generational talents" when in reality they are long shots to ever reach that level. Benson has a lot of positives and great IQ but at the end of the day, small size is ALWAYS going to be a challenge to overcome. Like another article mentioned, I bet the draft doesn't go quite as predicted due to so many small forwards in the top 20.
 
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waffledave said:
I really don't want a dman with the 5th overall. Smith is my ideal pick. Michkov if they feel he's worth it (honestly I think if he really were as good as they say he would go top 3, but I defer to our scouts). Otherwise I am very happy to take Leonard, he just seems like a can't go wrong kind of guy with tons of upside. I would not be surprised to see him blossom into a huge point producer in the NHL with his tenacity. He reminds me of both Tkachuks in that he plays hard and has a perceived low ceiling offensively that ends up being bs.

I like Benson too but I don't buy all the roses being thrown around. I see a tendency for people here to instantly glam onto certain players that are described as "generational talents" when in reality they are long shots to ever reach that level. Benson has a lot of positives and great IQ but at the end of the day, small size is ALWAYS going to be a challenge to overcome. Like another article mentioned, I bet the draft doesn't go quite as predicted due to so many small forwards in the top 20.
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If Smith is gome and there is Mitchkov Habs don't want to take the chance (or other reason) I like Leonard as a consolation price better than Benson. Dvorsky I don't like. Reinbacher I'm in between in favor or not. He already have nhl skating and seems to read the play well for a young age. He can pin on the board and have a nice shot, a quick half-slap. Nothing over spectacular but efficient. Maybe he have a very stable character, learn well and work well in group and follow directions of the coaches.

I wonder if later rounds picks there are good D who are BPA.

Skip Bayless said:
After the Benson boyz did their number during the week, Reinbacher crew is coming in strong on the week end. Michkov army still giving death threats, but it has partially subsided.

It's a fierce battle folks.
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The sudden rise or Reinbacher is almost suspect. I don't know if that's a straw fire or he is really projected that good.
 
Runner77 said:
Even if he limits the teams that get to
interview him, we can say confidently that the Habs will be among the teams he interacts with.
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I'm not sure I'm all confident about that. It sounds like Montreal is doing their due diligence.

To me that means not only interviewing Michkov, but his coach, a few teammates, and maybe even the Ska G.M. if we know him at all through Bobrov.

Talk to Andrei Markov. He's an assistant coach in KHL. Gallagher & Price can maybe be contracts for him if need be. Ditto Kovalev.

Maybe even Alexei Emelin, who is still playing, and actually injured Michkov this year.

Obviously looking at video, and statistical analysis of his play too.
 
MarkovsKnee said:
I'm not sure I'm all confident about that. It sounds like Montreal is doing their due diligence.

To me that means not only interviewing Michkov, but his coach, a few teammates, and maybe even the Ska G.M. if we know him at all through Bobrov.

Talk to Andrei Markov. He's an assistant coach in KHL. Gallagher & Price can maybe be contracts for him if need be. Ditto Kovalev.

Maybe even Alexei Emelin, who is still playing, and actually injured Michkov this year.

Obviously looking at video, and statistical analysis of his play too.
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My post was strictly in response to the idea of what is likely to happen if Michkov limited the number of teams he would agree to interview with. I merely posited that the Habs would be on that short list, nothing more.

A last minute interview just prior to the draft in no way precludes or acts as a substitute for other acts of due diligence, it goes without saying. The interview is a tool, an important one, but only one among many leading up to it — we can certainly all agree on that.
 
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I don’t trust a word from the Russian scout of the team with the greatest Russian scorer on his team, that has skated with Michkov before, saying anything.
 
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Recruiter guy that's always on Marinaro's show says he would take Michcov or Reinbacher. He would not take Smith or Leonard. He likes Benson but he's small and he puts him around his 10th place, I think. He says if we don't take far and away the best talent available(after Bedard) then we should go for need and Reinbacher would be a top 2 D which we don't have(in his opinion).

I know we need talent upfront and we have a ton of young good D coming up but a franchise D is not too shabby.
 
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