Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

How many full games from 2023 have you seen Michkov play?

I've watched 3 so far. Thanks to @montreal for making them accessible.

 

[HabzSauce]

So much talk about michkov crap attitude. He's become a POS overnight that all started with that one scouts comments.

What's funny is that his character was pretty much an unknown all year long, and now all of a sudden, two weeks before draft and the TRUTH is starting to come out! From teams behind us in draft order too go figure.

God the BS that gets spewed this time of year feels like I'm watching the USA elections lmao. Everyone's so full of crap!

 

[BehindTheTimes]

By Hughes trying to move up to 4 tells me he's not taking Michkov

Stevie Wonder can see this.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Them doing all this because they want Michkov is the opposite of what is really happening. They don’t like him, so they are trying to avoid the fallout by assuring they get one of the top 5 without it being Michkov. If they are moving up, it’s virtually a guarantee they don’t want Michkov.

Do you really think it's completely out of the realm of possibilty the habs may actually love Michkov and are determined to make sure he's available even if this scenario is unlikely?

Not that I'm disagreeing with your assesment. Just that the possibility may exist.

Because I'm aware, even I, who is a huge supporter of Michkov, too would struggle to choose between Carlsson Fantilli or Michkov if we had a top 3 pick. At 4 it becomes a no brainer to me from a strictly hockey sense.

 

[waffledave]

I've watched 3 so far. Thanks to @montreal for making them accessible.

Awesome man, which ones? Because I can't find any full KHL games on his channel, just extended clips.

 

[Milhouse40]

Can't say I totally disagree with this premise...

Matvei Michkov, once seen as Bedard’s only real competition for first overall, is one of the most complicated prospects to evaluate in years. His contract situation, which will see him play another three full seasons in Russia, when coupled with the Russian Factor and the Russian war in the Ukraine have done serious damage to his draft stock, making it an open question where he will end up on draft day despite being a clear top-3 pick based on talent.



Some people are convincing themselves that he’s too risky of a player size/style wise, but I think those people just want a reason to pass on him because there are so many factors at play. Michkov has the talent to be a first overall pick in most normal drafts, but this year’s draft is far from normal and the teams at the top will be much more likely to take a safer pick in Adam Fantilli or Leo Carlsson than risk their job selecting Michkov.


However, once the top group of prospects are gone by fifth overall and the Montreal Canadiens are faced with the choice between risking the Michkov pick or selecting someone with a significantly lower talent level, that’s where the real drama will appear.

Not because it fits your narrative that his prediction are good......he's saying that Michkov won't be pick top 7 and that our pick would Reinbacher

 

[montreal]

I don’t trust a word from the Russian scout of the team with the greatest Russian scorer on his team, that has skated with Michkov before, saying anything.

you don't have to since the Habs clearly should have very good info on him due to Boborov's dad. So anything that is said now up to the draft is just noise that the Habs likely don't have to worry about since they should know all this stuff.

Recruiter guy that's always on Marinaro's show says he would take Michcov or Reinbacher. He would not take Smith or Leonard. He likes Benson but he's small and he puts him around his 10th place, I think. He says if we don't take far and away the best talent available(after Bedard) then we should go for need and Reinbacher would be a top 2 D which we don't have(in his opinion).

I know we need talent upfront and we have a ton of young good D coming up but a franchise D is not too shabby.

terrible scout, NEVER draft for need in the top 5, that's how you end up with KK, unless you know how to develop talent.

The rumours about Michkov angling for a specific org are a little worrisome after trading away our last two drafted Russians.

If he doesn't want to play for the Habs then there's no sense drafting him.

They will know this in advance due to Boborov's dad so I'm not worried about this, if the Habs don't pick him (as I assume he's there at 5th) then I got to think there's a very good reason for it, that they know something that they learned from Boborov's dad say vs just some kind of not saying woke line of thinking but not picking him just because he's Russian and it looks bad because of what they are doing. Not saying that's the case, and it's not like if they did pass on him, we likely wouldn't know the full truth as to why I'm guessing.

@montreal has a youtube channel with several VHL and KHL games of Michkov from this season. Stop spreading BS. He even posted the link in one of the draft threads.

just so it's clear I only have VHL games as the KHL geo blocks my vids so I can't post them. If you go way back to '21 when he was 15 in the MHL, if you look up the Alexander Gordin vids I have, he could be in some of them but I can't say for sure and I have been deleting some of the really old vids from prospects that likely won't get any views anyway.

Just because the video exists, doesn't mean people here are watching. Some are, many are not.

based off the # of views most my vids don't get that many views outside of Hutson doing something crazy in a game. It does suck badly when you put 2 hours into something and like 200 or 400 people view it (it terms of money that's like .50 cents for the effort)

Terrible bold prediction

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1 - I could see it. I know Friedman on his 31 thoughts had him falling out of the top 12, I thought that was nuts cause I don't see the Caps passing on him at 8th.

2. It's crazy how much he's been rumored to us, to me it seems to high but I don't know him well enough to say other then this sounds like a smokescreen unless they really think he's in the Seider range.

3. I haven't seen him at all but that write makes him sound interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the 2nd or 3rd D taken in the draft.

4. I could see it.

5. I don't know him at all other then I saw he's almost 6'7, I don't know if I would draft a goalie that tall.

6. I've been saying that ever since the Jackets said they like him a lot.

7. this one I don't know at all

8. I thought he would get picked but he is small for a goalie

9. I don't know this one either

10. sounds likely

 

[HabbyGuy]

Not because it fits your narrative that his prediction are good......he's saying that Michkov won't be pick top 7 and that our pick would Reinbacher

Yes, you're right, as I said the premise I bolded out there is what I don't disagree with. I omitted the rest to express my point of view.

You got me.

 

[waffledave]

based off the # of views most my vids don't get that many views outside of Hutson doing something crazy in a game. It does suck badly when you put 2 hours into something and like 200 or 400 people view it (it terms of money that's like .50 cents for the effort)

To be honest I only checked out your channel for the first time today. Some great Hutson and Beck stuff, I will subscribe for sure.

 

[Runner77]

Do you really think it's completely out of the realm of possibilty the habs may actually love Michkov and are determined to make sure he's available even if this scenario is unlikely?

Not that I'm disagreeing with your assesment. Just that the possibility may exist.

Because I'm aware, even I, who is a huge supporter of Michkov, too would struggle to choose between Carlsson Fantilli or Michkov if we had a top 3 pick. At 4 it becomes a no brainer to me from a strictly hockey sense.

While anything can’t be completely discounted, I would find it highly unlikely that the Habs would expend assets to draft Michkov with a higher pick.

I, like others have posited, believe that if the Habs would be successful in moving up, it’s only because they don’t want to be stuck with the decision about Michkov at the 5th drafting slot. Plus who knows if their drafting list doesn’t account for a tier drop off after Michkov.

They may also be liking the perceived lower risk profiles of Fantilli-Carlsson-Smith and that would be consistent with the type of caution that teams with higher picks, tend to exercise.

Since none of us have access to the due diligence the Habs are performing, we can only take our perceptions so far.

I really don’t care about being right or wrong on this, I’ll just be happy that they’ve left no stone unturned in reaching their final decision.

 

[HabbyGuy]

While anything can’t be completely discounted, I would find it highly unlikely that the Habs would expend assets to draft Michkov with a higher pick.

I, like others have posited, believe that if the Habs would be successful in moving up, it’s only because they don’t want to be stuck with the decision about Michkov at the 5th drafting slot.

They may also be liking the perceived lower risk profiles of Fantilli-Carlsson-Smith and that would be consistent with the type of caution that teams with higher picks, would tend to exercise.

Since none of us have access to the due diligence the Habs are performing, we can only take our perceptions so far.

I really don’t care about being right or wrong on this, I’ll just be happy that they’ve left no stone unturned in reaching their final decision.

That's all we can hope for.

As for Michkov and the top 4, I believe he belongs firmly in that group and after them there's a significant drop off no matter how talented Smith is.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Do you really think it's completely out of the realm of possibilty the habs may actually love Michkov and are determined to make sure he's available even if this scenario is unlikely?

Not that I'm disagreeing with your assesment. Just that the possibility may exist.

Because I'm aware, even I, who is a huge supporter of Michkov, too would struggle to choose between Carlsson Fantilli or Michkov if we had a top 3 pick. At 4 it becomes a no brainer to me from a strictly hockey sense.

If they are trying to move up it’s because they see a player they like and they believe he will be gone at 5 and Michkov will be the one left standing in the top 5 and they are not comfortable with picking him.

I do not believe the possibility exists. We are not picking him imo, but we still want our top 5 player and that’s why Hughes is trying to guarantee he gets one of them.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Awesome man, which ones? Because I can't find any full KHL games on his channel, just extended clips.

I followed them from the links he posted here and didn't pay attention to the opp team names. Just wanted to see Michkov in action from this season, which is accessible.

 

[HabbyGuy]

If they are trying to move up it’s because they see a player they like and they believe he will be gone at 5 and Michkov will be the one left standing in the top 5 and they are not comfortable with picking him.

I do not believe the possibility exists. We are not picking him imo, but we still want our top 5 player and that’s why Hughes is trying to guarantee he gets one of them.

Why do you believe we are passing on Michkov at 5? I'd love some clarity on this for my own understanding. Because at this time I don't know what intel they might have.

I'm just going by his talent alone and his contract gives me no concern either. It's clear to me with what I do know, is that he'd be BPA.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

you don't have to since the Habs clearly should have very good info on him due to Boborov's dad. So anything that is said now up to the draft is just noise that the Habs likely don't have to worry about since they should know all this stuff.



terrible scout, NEVER draft for need in the top 5, that's how you end up with KK, unless you know how to develop talent.



They will know this in advance due to Boborov's dad so I'm not worried about this, if the Habs don't pick him (as I assume he's there at 5th) then I got to think there's a very good reason for it, that they know something that they learned from Boborov's dad say vs just some kind of not saying woke line of thinking but not picking him just because he's Russian and it looks bad because of what they are doing. Not saying that's the case, and it's not like if they did pass on him, we likely wouldn't know the full truth as to why I'm guessing.



just so it's clear I only have VHL games as the KHL geo blocks my vids so I can't post them. If you go way back to '21 when he was 15 in the MHL, if you look up the Alexander Gordin vids I have, he could be in some of them but I can't say for sure and I have been deleting some of the really old vids from prospects that likely won't get any views anyway.



based off the # of views most my vids don't get that many views outside of Hutson doing something crazy in a game. It does suck badly when you put 2 hours into something and like 200 or 400 people view it (it terms of money that's like .50 cents for the effort)



1 - I could see it. I know Friedman on his 31 thoughts had him falling out of the top 12, I thought that was nuts cause I don't see the Caps passing on him at 8th.

2. It's crazy how much he's been rumored to us, to me it seems to high but I don't know him well enough to say other then this sounds like a smokescreen unless they really think he's in the Seider range.

3. I haven't seen him at all but that write makes him sound interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the 2nd or 3rd D taken in the draft.

4. I could see it.

5. I don't know him at all other then I saw he's almost 6'7, I don't know if I would draft a goalie that tall.

6. I've been saying that ever since the Jackets said they like him a lot.

7. this one I don't know at all

8. I thought he would get picked but he is small for a goalie

9. I don't know this one either

10. sounds likely

You should re-post them in the Matvei thread of the draft board. You'd probably get a lot more views.

 

[Simarino]

The key pick is Colombus, if by any chance they take Smith, we're guaranteed of having one of Michkov or Carlsson falling on our lap!!

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Why do you believe we are passing on Michkov at 5? I'd love some clarity on this for my own peace of mind.

Many reasons, political uncertainty, war in Ukraine, we have no control over his development for at least 3 years.

Now there are reports of him having a list abs refusing to meet teams along with reports of an attitude problems. There’s a lot of red flags, I never thought we’d pick him with just the politics/war. I’m almost certain he’s a DND for us now.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Many reasons, political uncertainty, war in Ukraine, we have no control over his development for at least 3 years.

Now there are reports of him having a list abs refusing to meet teams along with reports of an attitude problems. There’s a lot of red flags, I never thought we’d pick him with just the politics/war. I’m almost certain he’s a DND for us now.

OK fair enough, thanks for your opinion. I personally ain't buying it until I see it.

I beileve he's a gift at 5 we shouldn't refuse, and if we do we will more than likely regret it. Atleast until proven otherwise.

As for the refusing teams list and attitude issues, I don't see any evidence yet to back up those claims. Fortunately I believe if there's any team that is very well positioned to know the truth, it's our habs.

So I guess we'll see.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Michkov is the most likely to be there at 5. If he were out target there would be very little reason to trade up. There’s a very good chance he will be there, better than the rest.


The fact there are reports we are actively engaged with San Jose to move up one spot only affirms this is true.

 

[FrankMTL]

Still 10 days till the draft.



C'est long en criss.

 

[The Great Weal]

Not gonna lie, I'm still really hurt that mere months ago we were looking at drafting 2 of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith/Michkov/Reinbacher/Leonard/Benson/Wood/Dvorsky

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Not gonna lie, I'm still really hurt that mere months ago we were looking at drafting 2 of Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson/Smith/Michkov/Reinbacher/Leonard/Benson/Wood/Dvorsky

Same, now we will trade up to 4th and pick Will Smith and still pick Michkov 31St.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Michkov is the most likely to be there at 5. If he were out target there would be very little reason to trade up. There’s a very good chance he will be there, better than the rest.


The fact there are reports we are actively engaged with San Jose to move up one spot only affirms this is true.

See this is where I struggle. No matter how talented Smith is. I don't believe he belongs in the top 4 tier with Bedard, Fantill, Carlsson and Michkov.

I believe Smith is in the next tier. So moving up for him doesn't compute for me. (I'll gladly take him at 5 though)

Unless as you say the habs are adamant about avoiding Michkov at all costs. Which from a hockey talent standpoint I also struggle with.

Especially when Hughes emphatically stated they'll take the BPA.

This draft can't come quick enough. It's killing me.

 

[rahad]

The key pick is Colombus, if by any chance they take Smith, we're guaranteed of having one of Michkov or Carlsson falling on our lap!!

Having Carlsson will be great. Can you imagine a line of : Carlsson-Dach-Slaf? All above 6ft3!

 

[HabbyGuy]

The key pick is Colombus, if by any chance they take Smith, we're guaranteed of having one of Michkov or Carlsson falling on our lap!!

Yes please.