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Runner77 said:
The litmus test remains the same — can you corrupt one of those executives with a crate of lobsters? :sarcasm:
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Roughly 100lbs of lobster per crate @ $6 per pound so small price to pay eh b'y. :)

I think I should maybe try it with Habs management so they draft Michkov or even Leonard really instead of Craig Buttons version of Adam Larsson in Reinbacher. Puke...
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
He said it on On Jase and l’antichambre a couple of times. Marc-André Dumont said it too, he said he coached Fantilli a couple of years ago and watching him now he find his hockey IQ didn’t evolve since then.
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To me, Fantilli has the least hockey IQ of the Top-5 but his shot, his skating, his physicality, everything else basically is top notch. At worst, he’d be a Taylor Hall type.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted yet:

“It is amazing to me how much it sounds like he (David Reinbacher) is going to Montreal at five. It’s not even Kent Hughes…it’s guys above him.” - NHL Scout, June 2023

Very interesting quote by an unnamed scout in HockeyProspect's Black Book, which I highly recommend purchasing.
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That always works...


Due to the fact that GMs are, by nature, a very intimidating lot, they can convince their regional scouts into agreeing on an evaluation of a player, even if the entire year's scouting reports run contrary to what the GM says.

For example, I know of one team that had its GM go to the Prospects Game and absolutely fall in love with a player that the whole staff had agreed wasn't worthy of being a first-round pick. His off-ice character was sketchy, he was a bad teammate, and everybody knew he was a very risky pick. The scouting staff was in its first season with the team, and the more the GM raved about the prospect, the quieter they grew because they didn't want to disagree with their boss.

Even the head scout started to hedge his bets. Eventually, he started to try and find positive things to say about the prospect and, on draft day, the team found the player still available at their pick in the 20s. They practically ran to the podium to scoop him up. The prospect never panned out, and the team wasted a valuable first-round pick.
 
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Head amateur scout Stu MacGregor would ask the scouts to vote, and then he would leave the room.

Every time, the vote came back the same. Nine votes for defenceman Ryan Murray, and two for Nail Yakupov.

One of the Oilers Ontario scouts is believed to have had Yakupov outside his Top 5. The other had him second on the Sarnia Sting — behind his junior teammate Galchenyuk.

With the advice of their on-the-ground scouts tucked away, the Oilers brain trust of the day — Tambellini, president of hockey operations Kevin Lowe, soon-to-be GM Craig MacTavish, and owner Daryl Katz — would meet that afternoon to finalize the decision.

That evening, dressed in a flat grey suit with a blue striped tie, Tambellini recited the line that every recent GM has come to know so well: “The Edmonton Oilers are so proud to select, from the Sarnia Sting, Nail Yakupov.”

Nine to two.
 
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Jaynki said:
But if we think Leroux is reliable. Lets start dreaming about Fantilli.

Because according to Leroux and what he heard, Fantilli will drop because scout are concerned with his low comprehension of the game and apparently it did not improved at all.
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I looked for the reference and found this:



So Leroux is basing his ranking of Fantilli not on where he will be selected but on how good of a player he’ll end up potentially being versus the others in this draft.

To back his argument, he looked at how Fantilli was used in the WJC (started on the 2nd line, after 2 games was demoted to the 3rd line and two games after that, ended up on the 4th line). He also took the feedback of certain unnamed sources who claimed that he doesn’t always understand what is going on in the game.

The WJC argument is troubling but it’s only a 7-game stretch. A better option would have been to directly interact with Team Canada coaching staff (and maybe Leroux did but he’s not saying). Hopefully Hughes does, as you never know if other teams share a similar view or concern about his hockey IQ and Fantilli then slips a little or more.

Going against Leroux’s claims are the many players who did not excel at the WJC but who became bona fide NHL talents (and who may also have been demoted on a lower line or limited by their WJC coaching staff) and Fantilli winning the Hobey Baker as a freshman and top goal scorer in the NCAA.

Maybe someone ought to question Leroux about those sources, those « certain people », who told him that Fantilli doesn’t always understand the game.
 
Sterling Archer said:
No, he’s playing for Moscow but he’s still
Under contract.
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I checked Michkov’s Hockey DB. Says he played for St-Petersburg SKA and also Sochi HC (I believe on loan) in 22-23: Matvei Michkov Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

For Artyom Duda, Hockey DB says that he played for CSKA Moscow in 22-23: Artyom Duda Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

How is Michkov playing for Moscow? :dunno:

Unless you’re just trying to say that Duda got out from under his contract so that should help Michkov do the same? Different team, though. With no agreement with the NHL in effect, does it not depend on what each individual KHL team wants to do with its players under contract?
 
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Islanders finally get another crack at No. 1

With much controversy, they took DiPietro nine years ago - not that the GM who made the decision wants to talk about it
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Milbury even surprised his own scouts nine years ago, when he went with DiPietro over their choice, winger Dany Heatley from the University of Wisconsin.

Heatley went to the Atlanta Thrashers with the No.2 pick and has scored 260 goals and 283 assists in 507 regular-season games. The third overall pick was Marian Gaborik, who has scored 437 points (219 goals) in 502 games with the Minnesota Wild.

But Milbury, who was a brash U.S. collegiate player at Colgate and went on to enjoy a solid 754-game NHL career with the Boston Bruins, liked the same swagger in DiPietro, a fellow New Englander and Boston University product who also played for the U.S. world junior team.
 
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Kennerback said:
www.theglobeandmail.com

Islanders finally get another crack at No. 1

With much controversy, they took DiPietro nine years ago - not that the GM who made the decision wants to talk about it
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

Milbury even surprised his own scouts nine years ago, when he went with DiPietro over their choice, winger Dany Heatley from the University of Wisconsin.

Heatley went to the Atlanta Thrashers with the No.2 pick and has scored 260 goals and 283 assists in 507 regular-season games. The third overall pick was Marian Gaborik, who has scored 437 points (219 goals) in 502 games with the Minnesota Wild.

But Milbury, who was a brash U.S. collegiate player at Colgate and went on to enjoy a solid 754-game NHL career with the Boston Bruins, liked the same swagger in DiPietro, a fellow New Englander and Boston University product who also played for the U.S. world junior team.
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I'm not sure what people expect here...
Owner and/or President/GMs are involved in 100% of the high draft picks.

Short of the UFA market, Top10 picks is as close as you get to a job offer in the NHL.
Owners chime in because to the player will end up representing their most precious asset, the brand.
Hockey Ops chime in because the player is projectable in their current roster.

This is just how it work and it doesn't lead to drafting a DiPietro every time... Not even most of the time, really.
 
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Kennerback said:
www.theglobeandmail.com

Islanders finally get another crack at No. 1

With much controversy, they took DiPietro nine years ago - not that the GM who made the decision wants to talk about it
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

Milbury even surprised his own scouts nine years ago, when he went with DiPietro over their choice, winger Dany Heatley from the University of Wisconsin.

Heatley went to the Atlanta Thrashers with the No.2 pick and has scored 260 goals and 283 assists in 507 regular-season games. The third overall pick was Marian Gaborik, who has scored 437 points (219 goals) in 502 games with the Minnesota Wild.

But Milbury, who was a brash U.S. collegiate player at Colgate and went on to enjoy a solid 754-game NHL career with the Boston Bruins, liked the same swagger in DiPietro, a fellow New Englander and Boston University product who also played for the U.S. world junior team.
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Ha ha, Rick Di Pietro. Heckuva bargain contract for a guy who retired in 2013 and in his last 5 seasons played 5-8-26-8-3 games. Guy is a legend:

 
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What if ... the Columbus Blue Jackets had drafted Anze Kopitar? (NHL Alternate History)

Note: It’s the NHL Alternate History project! We’ve asked fans and bloggers from 31 teams to pick one turning point in their franchise’s history and ask ‘what if things had gone differently?’ Trades, hirings, firings, wins, losses, injuries … all of it. How would one different outcome change...
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It is considered a crime against hockey for a GM to overrule his scouting staff and pick against the list.


So what do we know about the CBJ’s list that year? We know that Anze Kopitar was 3rd on their scouts’ list, and Brule was in the 6-8 range. Don Boyd, the head of scouting for the Jackets at the time, was strongly pro-Kopitar. But, when it came time to pick, MacLean had a change of heart, overruling Boyd and the rest of the staff to take Brule. Why would a GM commit such a sacrilegious move?


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“How do we go with the Slovenian ahead of the Canadian?” is a real, direct quote from MacLean, an outlandish statement that he used while trying to DEFEND the pick in hindsight! With logic and reasoning like that, even years removed from the pick, it’s pretty easy to see why MacLean is thought of the way he is in Columbus and throughout hockey circles.
 
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Trabdy2 said:
Any chance Hughes is staying cold in the media on Michkov to help elevate the "risk" impression that other GM's picking before him might have regarding Michkov... only so he's still left at 5 to be snapped up by the Habs?

Also, I'm wondering how much HuGo values size. Fewer than half the players the Habs selected last year were over 6' and one of those is a goalie.

It seems size might not dissuade Hughes from looking hard at Michkov, or Benson, for that matter.
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They didn’t go for size because of Slafkovsky. Bobrov said somewhere that with a guy like him (Slafkovsky) it doesn’t matter what size the others have. So that probably explains the Mesar, Beck and Hutson picks. Etc.
 
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