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Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

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DAChampion said:
The geopolitics are a legitimate concern. Relations between the USA and Russia are likely to grow much worse , it's the way that the winds are blowing.

Which says nothing about Mitchkov himself. He's not responsible obviously and we don't know his politics.

And it's also not up to Kent Hughes.
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I understand all of that. No one is claiming there's not risk.

What I'm saying is that it's Hughes and Gorton's responsibility to get a good read on the situation. If he comes over in 3 years and is head and shoulders better than whoever we picked, it is a failure on their part.
 
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Canadienna said:
I understand all of that. No one is claiming there's not risk.

What I'm saying is that it's Hughes and Gorton's responsibility to get a good read on the situation. If he comes over in 3 years and is head and shoulders better than whoever we picked, it is a failure on their part.
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No, it won't be. HuGo can make an educated guess on the geopolitics but they're not guaranteed to be correct and we shouldn't expect that. It's out of their control.
 
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Canadienna said:
I understand all of that. No one is claiming there's not risk.

What I'm saying is that it's Hughes and Gorton's responsibility to get a good read on the situation. If he comes over in 3 years and is head and shoulders better than whoever we picked, it is a failure on their part.
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So they should be able to know what will happen in the world for the next 3 years????
 
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DAChampion said:
No, it won't be. HuGo can make an educated guess on the geopolitics but they're not guaranteed to be correct and we shouldn't expect that. It's out of their control.
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I'm not saying it will define their careers, but yes, as a hockey executive you are judged on the accuracy of your educated guesses.

The whole job is risk-reward, cost benefit analyses.

It's all risk, geopolitics is real, but it's just another risk to evaluate, and make (as you say) an educated guess on.

Milhouse40 said:
So they should be able to know what will happen in the world for the next 3 years????
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No, see above. I'm not being crazy here. GMs are judged based on the outcomes of their educated guesses.
 
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DAChampion said:
Good leaders judge the process, not the results, particularly over the short term.
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A fair point. But often for fans, the outcome is a proxy for how good the process is. We can't see in their heads. Over time a genuinely strong process yields results.

Anyway, I don't think we're changing each others minds on this. Imo, if they do miss on Michkov it is no different than missing on any other player.
 
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Milhouse40 said:
So they should be able to know what will happen in the world for the next 3 years????
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Hockey is based on results.

Hughes and Gorton are the managers for a high-end hockey franchise. They are supposed to be high-powered managers in a job at the highest level, similar to being the CEO of a fortune 500 company.

Their situation is results-based. Whatever they decide, whatever the reason, and whatever the excuse, they will be judged upon the results, not the reasoning.
 
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Twisted Sinister said:
Hockey is based on results.

Hughes and Gorton are the managers for a high-end hockey franchise. They are supposed to be high-powered managers in a job at the highest level, similar to being the CEO of a fortune 500 company.

Their situation is results-based. Whatever they decide, whatever the reason, and whatever the excuse, they will be judged upon the results, not the reasoning.
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If so, then that reflects poorly on Molson.

Then again, he wanted to sign Bergevin to an extension.
 
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Twisted Sinister said:
Hockey is based on results.

Hughes and Gorton are the managers for a high-end hockey franchise. They are supposed to be high-powered managers in a job at the highest level, similar to being the CEO of a fortune 500 company.

Their situation is results-based. Whatever they decide, whatever the reason, and whatever the excuse, they will be judged upon the results, not the reasoning.
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True......now as being similar the CEO of a fortune 500 company, what would be the reasoning to invest their biggest account in a highly risky situation where they have no control over for the next 3 years with 0 guarantee that will come to any result after that 3 years!

And there you have the very difficult they are in.

If Michkov don't come here in 3 years, how do you explain that to your boss? How do you explain that you have absolutely ZERO for that pick for taking a risk of something that had huge red flags that everybody else saw
 
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Given that HuGo (like all other people) can’t see into the future — them skipping on the super prospect Michkov on the off chance there is a world war is a very stupid idea.

If there is a world war no one will care about Michkov and the NHL anyway.

If there isn’t a world war, we’ll have lost Michkov at the hands of the (alleged!) Bust Drafters Bobrov and Gorton.

Milhouse40 said:
If Michkov don't come here in 3 years, how do you explain that to your boss? How do you explain that you have absolutely ZERO for that pick for taking a risk of something that had huge red flags that everybody else saw
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It’s easily a risk worth taking. Consider it a bust and move on. You have to swing the bat to hit a home run. Picking the 10th ranked player because he’s safe and has character is what losers do.
 
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ReHabs said:
Given that HuGo (like all other people) can’t see into the future — them skipping on the super prospect Michkov on the off chance there is a world war is a very stupid idea.

If there is a world war no one will care about Michkov and the NHL anyway.

If there isn’t a world war, we’ll have lost Michkov at the hands of the (alleged!) Bust Drafters Bobrov and Gorton.


It’s easily a risk worth taking. Consider it a bust and move on. You have to swing the bat to hit a home run. Picking the 10th ranked player because he’s safe and has character is what losers do.
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I agree with your general point. I would just add, every team's list is different. Each scouting department makes its own lists.

If there is a player on their list very close to Michkov, they may take him over Michkov. Even if everyone else has Michkov head and shoulders above the other players still on the board at 5, doesn't mean the Canadiens scouting department does.
 
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