Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[ZUKI]

The same concerns remain, which are geopolitical and out of anyone’s control obviously. The Martineau piece helped get a better read on the player’s personal qualities and attributes, which some fans doubted.

Now he needs to interview Putin

 

[waffledave]

I will

Bergevin simply went on "reputation", without ever thinking those player reputations might belong only to the past.

The way he described Alzner in the press conference was nothing like the player he is, or ever was. I think this was a Jeff Finger situation.

 

[the valiant effort]

reduced to this embryonic schema , your analyze seems nearly coherent.

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You don’t really want to see more Bergevin-era Habs stats, do you?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Man I could watch Michkov stickhandle all day , can't wait to see that kid in the NHL

 

[Gravity]

We needed this man.

Monumental f*** up that will cost us the next decade.

If we pass on him it will haunt us for 15 years.

 

[ReHabs]

Bergevin's CV was easily worthwhile. You must be joking if you don't think playing 1000+ games in the nhl isn't a great experience to have in order to get a job in the nhl, especially when the job has to do with scouting, which was Bergevin's 1st job after retiring from his playing career.



Cap space is an asset, and it's one that you give up when signing a player through free agency.




Alzner was averaging around 20 min of ice time on the best team in the league. Yes, he had a down season, but the idea that he was for sure done as an NHL player is nonsense.

David Savard was coming off a similar situation when the habs signed him, and it has been a decent signing. He had a down last season with Columbus and was sparingly used by Tampa in the playoffs. Savard rebounded with the habs, and the hope when Alzner was signed was that he would do the same.

And again, it's easy to criticize when you're not the one whose job is on the line. The management obviously knew there was risk associated with signing Alzner to a multiple-year deal, but they deemed it was preferable to doing nothing or giving up assets in a trade (like the Flames giving up a 1st and multiple 2nds to get Hamonic).

Not sure how you can argue for Bergevin’s CV when we know the results of his tenure… 1191 NHL games and no HS education is clearly not enough to make a good GM. We know this for a fact. We know this the hard way.

Spending cap space isn’t much of a gamble, it’s part of the deal. A 30-something Weber and 30-something Carey Price needed the Habs to put some chips on the table and go for it. Instead Bergevin sat on his hands and signed bums and has-beens like Hemskey, Streit and Alzner.

But then again you’re really equivocating Alzner and Savard so I guess you’re not going to concede on any point.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Jets & another team had a higher offer ($ and term) which Alzner turned down for Habs

To repeat for the 100th time: Molson was on Melnick’s show, the off season plan after NYR playoff loss was to add to offense by extending Radulov & Markov for a set amount put aside, adding offense by acquiring Drouin to play W not C, and replace Emelin (who they planned to expose in VGK expansion draft) w Alzner for same cap hit. Those cumulative moves were devised to make it all fit under the cap

When Radulov refused to budge from wanting 8-year deal, and Markov wanting 3-year deal, there was no fall back Plan B… leading directly to Plan Z

Habs also were 15th in playoff victories during MBs tenure from 2012-2022 - if that’s a moron GM not sure what the other 15-GMs were..

Most Playoff Wins Since 2012 In NHL | StatMuse

Since 2011-12, the Tampa Bay Lightning have the most wins by a team in the playoffs, with 87 wins.

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We were 15th in playoff victories because of Carey Price and despite Bergevin.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Imagine a world where you think picking Reinbacher is a good idea with Michkov on the table! We need this guy. The 100 pts player we are waiting since 30 years

I haven't seen one person discuss taking anyone other than the top 5 except in the scenario where our management team doesn't want to take the Michkov risk.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

We were 15th in playoff victories because of Carey Price and despite Bergevin.

When Bergevin had to sign Price, it had to be 10,5 and that long term? That was an obligation?
In a normal world, Price would have been signed 8,5 and 7 years. Seems that once a player is identified as a major core in the team, he have to be signed an exagerated contract. Like with Gallagher. It's all or nothing.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'm so psyched at the opportunity that might present itself here. I just have huge doubts he falls to 5. Man it's exciting to dream.

so no mention of signing a 2 year extension with SKA

 

[Beer and Chips]

Fantilli or Carlsson would be peachy, almost too good to be true.

I recently learned that Carlsson is a stutterer, here’s to hoping CBJ prefers a marketable American kid like Will Smith and we’re lucky enough to get the awkward sounding Euro.

Fit right in with the Montreal media.

 

[Beer and Chips]

So is Michkov a sun loving guy or prefer the great white north?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So is Michkov a sun loving guy or prefer the great white north?

He grew up in perm which is a pretty hot region by russian standards. Probably colder here in winter

 

[CHwest]

f***ing idiots management should have tanked harder

Management tried. Monty and the entire 4th line should be sent to Siberia to think about what they have done. Pezzetta especially leaves a bad taste.

 

[Blame the referee]

I haven't seen one person discuss taking anyone other than the top 5 except in the scenario where our management team doesn't want to take the Michkov risk.

Well…the quote is valid for the management too

I really like the text from Anthony Martineau. It help the general opinion to read good thing on Michkov. I think we need more text like this for the casual fan.

 

[CHwest]

Debate here should be Smith or Michkov at 5
Anything else people should be worried to skip on 1 or those 2 studs at #5.

But don't expect them to be in the NHL next season.

You cannot debate that, it will not be a decision anyone will have to make. We get the left over, not bad for a conselation prize.

 

[NORiculous]

f***ing idiots management should have tanked harder

The way they managed this was pathetic

 

[417]

The way they managed this was pathetic

Do you mean by intentionally hurting 3/4 of the players on this team and putting them on injured reserve, thus leading the NHL in man games lost for the 2nd consecutive year?

 

[NORiculous]

Do you mean by intentionally hurting 3/4 of the players on this team and putting them on injured reserve, thus leading the NHL in man games lost for the 2nd consecutive year?

What does have anything to do with potatoes?

 

[417]

What does have anything to do with potatoes?

That was the intent...I mean how did you want them to "manage" tanking harder?

They were barely icing an NHL caliber team on most nights. It's not like the Habs were actively out there trying to improve their chances to win games this year.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

When Bergevin had to sign Price, it had to be 10,5 and that long term? That was an obligation?
In a normal world, Price would have been signed 8,5 and 7 years. Seems that once a player is identified as a major core in the team, he have to be signed an exagerated contract. Like with Gallagher. It's all or nothing.

Yes.

Carey Price was only going to sign for that specific number. Why? Because it perfectly matched the Lundqvist deal from a cap percentage perspective. He was the best in the game and had to be paid like it. Star players are under huge pressure from the union to move the bar. Price wasn’t going to sign for anything less. McDavid for example had to sign for what he did. He had to raise the bar. Even if he wanted to play for less the union would’ve killed him for it. Price was getting it no matter what. If not here then elsewhere.

And don’t forget that Price was at his peak. No reason it shouldn’t have continued but we lost the entire left side of our D core and then Weber got hurt. We never replaced anyone and went down the tubes. An awful waste of talent.

And yet, when we did make the playoffs Price was still stellar. Knocking off the Pens and then the following year taking us to a cup final. First player making ten mil plus to get past the first round. First player making ten mil to get past multiple rounds… and we got a cup appearance out of it despite having a shitty team.

The contract wasn’t the problem. And it’s still not really a problem now. The problem was that we had a shitty GM.

I believe in locking up young talent as early as you can for as long as you can. Because when they reach their prime, you’ll pay through the nose. If you can get a cheap long term deal, it’s amazing value.

Hopefully we do it with CC and Mitchkov (or whoever it is we draft this year.)

 

[26Mats]

Debate here should be Smith or Michkov at 5
Anything else people should be worried to skip on 1 or those 2 studs at #5.

But don't expect them to be in the NHL next season.

At 5 we get whoever is left over.

Debate could be, how much is worth giving up if we want to move up - and how much would Columbus or San Jose accept to move down to number 5.

 

[Milhouse40]

So if Edm wins because of McDavid or Canes because of Aho that’s ok?

Who said that's ok? The GM in Edmonton is equally under fire for actually not winning a cup yet despite having two of the best forward in NHL.......

And for Canes, kind of a terrible example as Aho is not even on the same level of Price in terms of game changer.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

At 5 we get whoever is left over.

Debate could be, how much is worth giving up if we want to move up - and how much would Columbus or San Jose accept to move down to number 5.

I’m fine at five. Smith or Mitchkov sounds like a great place to be. We’re not going to get Fantilli without some kind of insane move and that doesn’t really fit with where we’re at. So, at best we can move up two spots. Maybe they’d take the Florida pick to go with it but I doubt it.

Honestly, I think we’re in a great position. I’m not going to fret this.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Who said that's ok? The GM in Edmonton is equally under fire for actually not winning a cup yet despite having two of the best forward in NHL.......

And for Canes, kind of a terrible example has Aho is not even on the same level of Price in terms of game changer.

Very few players are. For about a five year stretch there wasn’t a bigger difference maker in the league than Carey Price. The 2015-16 season proves it.

So if Edm wins because of McDavid or Canes because of Aho that’s ok?

MB had nothing to do with acquiring him.

Anyways it goes to show how valuable a superstar is. It’s going to be interesting to see what Bedard does for the Hawks. Don’t know if he’ll live up to the hype but even if he’s “only” a franchise talent that can still be enough.

The question is, how many franchise talents will there be in this draft? Mitchkov? Fantilli? Seems like a great top five.

The last guy we drafted fifth? Carey Price!