Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[Beer and Chips]

He grew up in perm which is a pretty hot region by russian standards. Probably colder here in winter

Oh well, was hoping.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The contract was never ever an issue.................people at times just don't understand what having a star player costs......................I always gave him credit for sticking around and staying with such a shitty team............

Can you imagine if it was Patrick Roy? He’d have lost his mind.

 

[417]

I read your answer and all I can see is that you didn’t read my post. But you partly admit that by saying you’re not sure you follow.

I read your post in it's entirety and did my best to try to unscramble what you wrote.

It can be summarized as you criticizing the team for not sucking enough to win a lottery they had greater chances of losing had they employed your strategy.

So I have nothing to say, since I’d just repost the same thing.

You could always elaborate by developing your points further.

But fair enough!

 

[Whitesnake]

There just no other responses than Michkov...or the guy that is available because Michkov is gone. NO. OTHER.

I have no idea also why they wouldn't pick Michkov ESPECIALLY if we have to wait for him. Doing that says to the fans that we have to be patient...and that a possible great player in the makings is coming but in 3 years. We will use those 3 years to build a team in order to receive him properly.

You get a great player AND you buy time.

Anything else than Michkov or Smith/Carlsson/Fantilli is a bad pick. Even if I LOVE Benson and Leonard. Even if I think Dvorsky and Reinbacher will become quite serviceable.

P.S. For the record and before i'm being accused of hindsight, no matter who is picked NOT named Michkov, does NOT start the year in Montreal.

 

[LaP]

He grew up in perm which is a pretty hot region by russian standards. Probably colder here in winter

Still colder than Montreal according to wiki.

 

[NORiculous]

I read your post in it's entirety and did my best to try to unscramble what you wrote.

It can be summarized as you criticizing the team for not sucking enough to win a lottery they had greater chances of losing had they employed your strategy.

You could always elaborate by developing your points further.

But fair enough!

I said they weren’t consistent. They didn’t act with either opportunity. They were a deer in headlights.

 

[417]

I said they weren’t consistent. They didn’t act with either opportunity. They were a dear in headlights.

What you were suggesting they do, is unrealistic and ill-advised.

I mean, trade Josh Anderson so you could lose a few more games?

How do you even know that would have resulted in extra losses that would have secured 1st overall.

Furthermore, you don't trade a valuable asset so you could lose more games in a random lottery...you trade a valuable assets when his valuation is met or exceeded.

You're trying to pin down something super random and complex.

You may as well suggest that Kent Hughes should have taken a bat to Motembeault & Allen's knees - and i'm saying this without sarcasm.

 

[SlafySZN]

I said they weren’t consistent. They didn’t act with either opportunity. They were a deer in headlights.

Were they supposed to replace the injured players by AHL plugs?

Oh shoot, they did.

 

[417]

Were they supposed to replace the injured players by AHL plugs?

Oh shoot, they did.

The Montreal Canadiens had games this year where Alex Belzile & Chris Tierney played over 15 mins in a game.

I mean....

 

[SlafySZN]

The Montreal Canadiens had games this year where Alex Belzile & Chris Tierney played over 15 mins in a game.

I mean....

Exactly!

Drouin played center, Harvey Pinard and Ylonen played top 6 minutes on the first line, Armia had games with Suzuki, etc…

 

[26Mats]

Yet Barkov in Fla and Tkachuk in Cgy for years were not able to “game change” their previous teams despite being surrounded by superior talents vs Mtl (based on posters takes here) - same Matthews, Draisaitl, MacKinnon until last playoffs etc.

One player can't change a team. But if you want a winner, you need elite players.

 

[NORiculous]

What you were suggesting they do, is unrealistic and ill-advised.

I mean, trade Josh Anderson so you could lose a few more games?

How do you even know that would have resulted in extra losses that would have secured 1st overall.

Furthermore, you don't trade a valuable asset so you could lose more games in a random lottery...you trade a valuable assets when his valuation is met or exceeded.

You're trying to pin down something super random and complex.

You may as well suggest that Kent Hughes should have taken a bat to Motembeault & Allen's knees - and i'm saying this without sarcasm.

It was an example.

I was referring to the offer Hughes turn down, which if I recall was a 1st rounder. The return was decent enough.

Not sure where you get the idea about Montembault because, it might be a comparable in your mind, but you are probably of the few that think like this.

 

[NORiculous]

Were they supposed to replace the injured players by AHL plugs?

Oh shoot, they did.

That’s not what we were talking about.

 

[NORiculous]

The Montreal Canadiens had games this year where Alex Belzile & Chris Tierney played over 15 mins in a game.

I mean....

Why was Tierney on the team?

 

[26Mats]

Practice makes perfect.

 

[417]

It was an example.

I was referring to the offer Hughes turn down, which if I recall was a 1st rounder. The return was decent enough.

Rumors aren't fact...but if it's true Hughes turned down a 1st rounded for Josh Anderson.

Then it means he's doing his job. No way he should accept that (never mind the likelihood of that being real, a contract like his doesn't get moved for a 1st round pick only)

Not sure where you get the idea about Montembault because, it might be a comparable in your mind, but you are probably of the few that think like this.

Well one would argue that the "best" way to manufacture losses is by removing capable goaltending...hence.

Why was Tierney on the team?

Because they had several injuries and needed players to ice a full team?

At the time of his waiver claim the Habs had 2 centers on the team

Suzuki & Dvorak and the latter was playing injured.

Belzile and Richard were already on the team.

Not sure why you're asking about a non-consequential waiver claim to cover injuries???

 

[Colezuki]

I mean I think anyone who thinks they've already made a decision is crazy, they didn't even finalize the slafkovsky pick until a couple of days before, and they we're only evaluating three or four prospects back then. Now there looking at, Michkov, Carlsson, Smith, Leonard, Bensen and Reinbacher as only Fantilli and Bedard are for sure off the board no way in hell are they finalized

 

[NORiculous]

Rumors aren't fact...but if it's true Hughes turned down a 1st rounded for Josh Anderson.

Then it means he's doing his job. No way he should accept that (never mind the likelihood of that being real, a contract like his doesn't get moved for a 1st round pick only)

Well one would argue that the "best" way to manufacture losses is by removing capable goaltending...hence.

Yes rumours aren’t facts, that’s why It was an example. But the fact that you say it would have been a mistake WITHOUT knowing how good/bad the pick is shows that your mind is already made up.

Instead of injuring the goaltenders, yes he could have traded one of them and put Primeau.

 

[NORiculous]

Rumors aren't fact...but if it's true Hughes turned down a 1st rounded for Josh Anderson.

Then it means he's doing his job. No way he should accept that (never mind the likelihood of that being real, a contract like his doesn't get moved for a 1st round pick only)

Well one would argue that the "best" way to manufacture losses is by removing capable goaltending...hence.


Because they had several injuries and needed players to ice a full team?

At the time of his waiver claim the Habs had 2 centers on the team

Suzuki & Dvorak and the latter was playing injured.

Belzile and Richard were already on the team.

Not sure why you're asking about a non-consequential waiver claim to cover injuries???

I am asking because every move has consequences.

Hughes picked up Tierney but didn’t pickup Tolvanen. Was this his way of trying to tank?

If it was, then he failed to tank by 6 wins.
If it wasn’t, then he failed to pickup the better player.

Inconsistent.

 

[417]

Yes rumours aren’t facts, that’s why It was an example. But the fact that you say it would have been a mistake WITHOUT knowing how good/bad the pick is shows that your mind is already made up.

Or it shows that I don't believe in fairy tales.

Josh Anderson has 3 more years left @ 5.5M.

While I do think he's a very valueable player, his contract is restrictive to any team looking to acquire him.

So any offer that includes a 1st round pick, one would have to presume would be coming from a team that was in the playoffs, so automatically that means the pick is late.

Furthermore, no team is taking on that salary without sending you a salary back, especially if the Habs are acquiring a 1st round pick.

So i'm going to flip this back on you.

The fact you say it would have been a good idea WITHOUT knowing how good/bad the pick is, shows that YOUR mind is already made up.

Instead of injuring the goaltenders, yes he could have traded one of them and out Primeau.

There's a million things he could have done...none of them would have guaranteed a different outcome then the one that actually played out.

 

[Colezuki]

Yes rumours aren’t facts, that’s why It was an example. But the fact that you say it would have been a mistake WITHOUT knowing how good/bad the pick is shows that your mind is already made up.

Instead of injuring the goaltenders, yes he could have traded one of them and out Primeau.

The only way we could've been worse is too trade one of Dach, Guhle, Caufield or Suzuki and all that would've done is improve our shots from getting Michkov/ Smith to Carlsson either say you want to do that so we can all point out how silly this is or stop acting like the team to didn't do everything in their power to slow the team down. The goalie was a waiver wire pick-up who the year before had a 0.900, the defense was 4 rookies to start the year, the team was anemic with goals and still is. The coach while great for culture is still a rookie coach. Any time a player did get injured they basically shut them down.

You don't like that they didn't trade everyone and send us spiraling but the teams that do that take up to a decade to come out of it, Buffalo has had two 1st overalls, multiple top 5 picks and still hasn't made the playoffs since I was in High School.

 

[417]

I am asking because every move has consequences.

Hughes picked up Tierney but didn’t pickup Tolvanen. Was this his way of trying to tank?

What were the circumstances at the time Tolvanen was waived? What was the Habs waiver priority? Did some other team jump ahead? What was the Habs roster like at the time?

If it was, then he failed to tank by 6 wins.

How the hell could he have known, at that time, that losing 6 more times would have guaranteed him the 1st overall pick?

Remember, he's not benefiting from hindsight like you are here.

If it wasn’t, then he failed to pickup the better player.

Inconsistent.

and if he did pick up Tolvanen, you'd be saying they did a poor job tanking

So in other words, you've just drawn up scenarios that allow you to criticize whatever the outcome is.

Like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[NORiculous]

Or it shows that I don't believe in fairy tales.

Josh Anderson has 3 more years left @ 5.5M.

While I do think he's a very valueable player, his contract is restrictive to any team looking to acquire him.

So any offer that includes a 1st round pick, one would have to presume would be coming from a team that was in the playoffs, so automatically that means the pick is late.

Furthermore, no team is taking on that salary without sending you a salary back, especially if the Habs are acquiring a 1st round pick.

So i'm going to flip this back on you.

The fact you say it would have been a good idea WITHOUT knowing how good/bad the pick is, shows that YOUR mind is already made up.

There's a million things he could have done...none of them would have guaranteed a different outcome then the one that actually played out.

I said something should have been done like trading Anderson or someone else. Contrary to you, I did not assume anything. So you flip thing doesn’t apply.

You assume so much stuff in your post, it’s something special.

I said… He was inconsistent is he actions not the results of those actions. No one can perfectly predict the results, I’ll give you that, but the actions themselves speak as to what the general idea is.

 

[BeliveauFan4ever]

Rumors aren't fact...but if it's true Hughes turned down a 1st rounded for Josh Anderson.

Then it means he's doing his job. No way he should accept that (never mind the likelihood of that being real, a contract like his doesn't get moved for a 1st round pick only)

Well one would argue that the "best" way to manufacture losses is by removing capable goaltending...hence.


Because they had several injuries and needed players to ice a full team?

At the time of his waiver claim the Habs had 2 centers on the team

Suzuki & Dvorak and the latter was playing injured.

Belzile and Richard were already on the team.

Not sure why you're asking about a non-consequential waiver claim to cover injuries???

a contract like his doesn't get moved for a 1st round pick only)

You know it depends on how high that pick is.

I’d say yes to a ‘23 pick in the 8-12 range for certain.

 

[NORiculous]

The only way we could've been worse is too trade one of Dach, Guhle, Caufield or Suzuki

I disagree. I think it was possible to do it without touching the core. In previous posts, I gave Anderson as an example and then a goaltender, to bring up Primeau.

But if you put a team of pros together and have them make a good plan, I’m sure they could bring up a bunch of interesting ideas.