Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[ReHabs]

Bergevin played 1191 NHL games. That's worth far more than a high school degree.

I'm sure you also said Chiarot and Matheson were bums when they were acquired, and yet they both ended up being great signing/trade.

It's easy to say stuff when your job is not on the line. The habs just had a 100+ pt season and lost in the 1st round. Bergevin needed to improve the team. Alzner didn't have a good last season with Washington, but he was still only 29 years old, so he had a decent chance of rebounding. Instead of giving up good assets in a trade, Bergevin decided to sign Alzner who was seen as the 2nd best dman available in free agency. Signing Alzner was a gamble, and it didn't pay off, but not all gambles do. A GM that doesn't gamble (take chances) would make a terrible GM. Hughes took a gamble last season by trading Romanov for an underperforming, but talented player, and the results are looking great so far.

Bergevin proved that 1191 NHL games experience and no high school degree is actually not a worthwhile CV. It's strange to me you'd cite Bergevin as a good examples of the Old Boy's Club hiring policy -- he was not a good GM and he left the team worse than he inherited it.

Defending the Alzner trade... well I won't litigate your claims line by line but I think it's worth noting that signing a UFA is NOT a gamble, it's a move. A gamble is when you place something on the table that you could lose -- a trade, a risky acquisition, a hot prospect for an established vet (Iginla/Nieuwendyke trade) -- signing a UFA with boatloads of cap space is not a gamble.

Alzner played himself out of Washington's top3, so it is, in fact, indefensible that you're now revising the worst UFA signing in Habs history. Alzner started getting questioned from the first half of his first season with the Habs. There is no good revisionist argument to be made there. He was not a PMD, he was not a former great, he was not someone coming off an injury or questionable surgery (Eichel). He was a mediocre d-man with high draft pedigree from many years prior who had lost his spot with WSH and took advantage of a sucker GM. I'm sure multiple GMs were chasing Alzner, that doesn't make the acquisition any better.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

People needs to stop adding Dubois in their lineup my god

Also " Bergevin played 1200 games " He knows what to do;

He still said that David Schelmko would be a great pairing with Weber , a guy that was on his 6th team in 5 years.

 

[26Mats]

People needs to stop adding Dubois in their lineup my god

Also " Bergevin played 1200 games " He knows what to do;

He still said that David Schelmko would be a great pairing with Weber , a guy that was on his 6th team in 5 years.

Within about 1 year and 1 month we find out whether Elliott Friedman's claim that there's a 95% chance Dubois ends up in Montreal.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Bergevin played 1191 NHL games. That's worth far more than a high school degree.

I'm sure you also said Chiarot and Matheson were bums when they were acquired, and yet they both ended up being great signing/trade.

It's easy to say stuff when your job is not on the line. The habs just had a 100+ pt season and lost in the 1st round. Bergevin needed to improve the team. Alzner didn't have a good last season with Washington, but he was still only 29 years old, so he had a decent chance of rebounding. Instead of giving up good assets in a trade, Bergevin decided to sign Alzner who was seen as the 2nd best dman available in free agency. Signing Alzner was a gamble, and it didn't pay off, but not all gambles do. A GM that doesn't gamble (take chances) would make a terrible GM. Hughes took a gamble last season by trading Romanov for an underperforming, but talented player, and the results are looking great so far.

What do you mean? Alzner was absolutely awful his last year in Washington. He was pushed all the way down Washington’s lineup and to make things worse, the one thing the Habs needed on the backend was a PMD which Alzner didn’t address even if he wasn’t washed up. The guy was making jokes he was too hurt to open pickle jars. That’s not a calculated risk, it’s suicide. There’s no excuses for an entire team of people to miss something like that. And I’m confused why you’re bringing up the Romanov/Dach trade as if that’s any comparable to that stinker of a signing.

 

[Sorinth]

From what some of the habs insiders are saying, it sounds like Habs are very high on Leonard and some of the Atheltic prospect experts like Pronman, Wheeler have said that it’s unlikely Michkov goes top 5

I have no intel myself, just regurgitating what the insiders are saying

It's unlikely the Habs even know yet whether they would take Michkov or not so whatever an insider says is meaningless at this point.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It’s all politics when it comes to getting jobs in the NHL. They’re all friends of a friend of a friend. I don’t even think Bergevin had a highschool degree but a sports organization worth billions of dollars was comfortable enough to have him in a role of authority over their product because he slummed it as a depth defensemen in the NHL as a player. When someone says “some people think they’re smarter then actual pro scouting teams” they aren’t saying a whole lot. I could sit on my couch and tell you Karl Alzner is finished or Jack Campbell is a bum, yet that makes it past an entire “team” of people. Let that sink.

I agree with what you're saying, for the most part.

It doesn't change my post at all.

You're not equipped to make a proper scouting decision with the information you are given while sitting on your couch.

These smart posters would probably make great scouts and make great decisions if they had access to the information that the real scouts do, like interviews, and being able to watch the players live multiple times. But they don't, so their opinion here is just noise.

And we don't really know how decisions are made. Did Holland consult with his pro scouts before the trade? Did they whole heartedly endorse Campbell? Was the move influenced by the owner or even a player? We don't know.

Same thing goes for alzner. Did the egomaniac bergy just take the guy because he played in his own image?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Within about 1 year and 1 month we find out whether Elliott Friedman's claim that there's a 95% chance Dubois ends up in Montreal.

Dubois will go where the biggest bag come from.
I expect nothing from him , people should lower their expectations so they are not dead inside when we roll Anderson and Gallagher and Armia in our top 6 next season

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Smith and Carlsson could be flipped but those are the likely top 4. If Hughes is dead set on landing one of them, and be sure to get him, start workin’ the phones, bud.

Kent ought to inform Pierre LeBrun about his phone usage cause that’s what LeBrun values.

 

[Milhouse40]

 

[nhlfan9191]

I agree with what you're saying, for the most part.

It doesn't change my post at all.

You're not equipped to make a proper scouting decision with the information you are given while sitting on your couch.

These smart posters would probably make great scouts and make great decisions if they had access to the information that the real scouts do, like interviews, and being able to watch the players live multiple times. But they don't, so their opinion here is just noise.

And we don't really know how decisions are made. Did Holland consult with his pro scouts before the trade? Did they whole heartedly endorse Campbell? Was the move influenced by the owner or even a player? We don't know.

Same thing goes for alzner. Did the egomaniac bergy just take the guy because he played in his own image?

I agree and disagree. Sometimes I think some of the things you mentioned lead to over complicating things. I think you could replace a lot of guys wearing suits with a monkey and it wouldn’t make much of a difference.

 

[sandviper]

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I would be very happy with Benson. He’s #6 for me, after Smith, but I wouldn’t mind picking him instead at all.

 

[BLONG7]

Like we all laughed when they got PLD in 2016

And left Matthew Tkachuk out there.....oh and Clayton Keller....

 

[Runner77]

Quite the weight loss for your good buddy.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The ole Bergy “anything can happen” axiom, huh?

Yeah in a kind of way.

It was a different management. All the teams into the PO must beleive that. Powerfull Oilers got eliminated, such as Bruins, Leafs and Canes. Anything could happen, FLO might win the Cup, it will happen for them. But it could have happen for the Devils or the Wild, with low possibility.

This board will explode if Michkov is not taken by the Habs. It takes me a day or 2 before I can log on this board when important dates like the draft comes. For different reasons posters have their prefered player and I feel this year is very special. People have to chill a bit and trust new Habs management.

 

[ReHabs]

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BensonBoys we are SO back

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Quite the weight loss for your good buddy.

But the head remains pretty big, naturally

 

[Jaynki]

Hopefully not us. We need a star at forward. Hopefully a durable one.

Who is a star apart from Bedard ?

 

[salbutera]

Excerpt from Scott Wheeler & Corey Pronman’s article in The Athletic:

Montreal Canadiens

Assuming Michkov is there at No. 5, we all know about his potential, but what are some of the reasons why the Canadiens could be tempted to pass on him aside from his KHL contract and his passport? Are there elements of his game that you think teams are concerned about? —Arpon Basu


Pronman: He’s listed at 5-foot-10, but some scouts feel he’s closer to 5-foot-9. He’s an elusive skater, but has average footspeed, and is a one-way winger. I think he could be a star, but I admit if he did become that he would be a unique star. There aren’t many impact NHL players in my lifetime who look and play like him, and there is a chance his game won’t translate to a high degree in the NHL. There’s nobody in the NHL who looks like Michkov, but there are 25 Reinbachers.

Wheeler: I would order the reasons for skepticism as follows:

1. His play and competitiveness off the puck.

2. His size/position combo (though he is more advanced physically than I think he gets credit for).

3. His skating (which I also think is stronger than it usually gets credit for).

4. He’s got some tendencies/habits that I’d like to see him slowly work away from in terms of some of the ways he uses his linemates, too.

I think ultimately the game-breaking, first-line skill level and historic production win out, though. There may not be any players like Michkov in the NHL in terms of makeup, but there aren’t many playing in the NHL who had a statistical profile like his either and you can find the ones who did with a quick scroll through the league’s top scorers.

 

[26Mats]

Dubois will go where the biggest bag come from.
I expect nothing from him , people should lower their expectations so they are not dead inside when we roll Anderson and Gallagher and Armia in our top 6 next season

I'm a full rebuild guy, so I don't care how we do next year...

If we get Dubois, it's looking more like summer 2024. But he won't necessarily go to the highest bidder. Or at least certain aspects of the city will break a tie. But teams aren't lookong to throw too much money at one player, given the cap...

About Armia, Hoffman, and Gallagher: I just hope guys like RHP, Slaf, Ylonen, and Heineman if he's ready, eventually get more ice time than those guys if they show that they're deserving. Though I expect the vets to get priority out of the gate.

My ideal top 12:
Caufield Suzuki Dvo (to get Dvo's trade value up)
Slaf Dach Gurianov
RHP Monahan Anderson
Gallagher Evan's Ylonen
Hoffman, Armia

Maybe Heineman steals Gurianov's spot.

 

[Frank Drebin]

BensonBoys we are SO back

After what happened last year, I put a lot of faith in Bob Mackenzies list. His latest (done at the time of the lottery) had Smith at 3 and Carlsson at 4.

 

[jrom]

Save for the other Top-5s, Michkov will be seen as the consensus best pick within 24 months from the draft. I’ll leave this site in shame forever, if he isn’t.

Since best is by definition subjective don’t worry too much

 

[jrom]

Actual media work on Michkov with interview with Michkov skill coach + teammate that is a former QMJHL player. New info I didn’t see anywhere else.

This is very positive for drafting Michkov but I don’t know how some of the emo Habs fans will react: more threats to quit if not drafted or more despair since it means less chances to get him at #5.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/05/29/exclusif--lentraineur-de-matvei-michkov-remet-les-pendules-a-lheure

 

[GalHabsGal]

I would be very happy with Benson. He’s #6 for me, after Smith, but I wouldn’t mind picking him instead at all.

I like Benson, but i dont draft him at 5 because we have enough of small players...

Trade Farrell, Gallagher, RHP, Hutson(in 2 years ) and i Draft Benson ... I know he play with grit, but grit at 5'10(5'9) is not enough for NHL...

The only player i Draft under 5'11 this draft in the top 10 will be Michkov.

1- Bedard
2- Fantilli
3- Carlson
4- Smith
5- Michkov

6- Leonard, DvorSky, Reinbacher, Benson, ASP ...

 

[BergevinBurner]

I know he play with grit, but grit at 5'10(5'9) is not enough for NHL...

That's my biggest concern with Benson.

For the most part I don't care about size when drafting if it's guys like Caufield/Hutson that rely on aspects of their game like their shot/skating.

But the fact that a huge reason people love Benson is his grit/motor worries me. If you have a smaller guy playing that way in the NHL it either won't work, or if it does there's a good chance they'll be plagued with injuries throughout their career(Gallagher).

 

[Adam Michaels]

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Give me one of Smith, Carlsson, Michkov, Benson, Leonard or Reinbacher and I'm a happy man.

Just like last year, I said to give me either of Wright, Slaf or Cooley and I would be happy.