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JeffreyLFC said:
First you have a lose definition of superstar. Also newsflash, you need very good players to win a cup. Obviously we do not have these players on our roster and might never have one that being said having a balanced lineup from top to bottom is our best bet. Also if we can be agressive on the trade front it would also help. Look at Dallas, Vegas and Florida on how they acquired some of their star forwards. We need to stop fantasising that we will find a superstar forward in the 1st round at some point. Bergevin holded all our 1st rounds picks to potentially find the next one just to draft the like of McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen, Poehling, etc. Imagine if would have been more agressive and landed a ROR, Eichel or Stone.
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All those guys I listed were very clearly in the upper tier of their position across the league. We don't have that at all.

I don't disagree, but you need good drafting in the later rounds at the very least. Vegas was an expansion team so we can't really compare ourselves to them, but using Florida and Carolina as examples, they drafted Barkov (with a top pick) and Aho (who we passed up on for Juulsen). They wouldn't be anywhere near the conference finals without those two. Not to mention, our entire top 6 besides Caufield was acquired via trade.
 
The Great Weal said:
I'm not advocating that we need to keep rebuilding until we get a top 5 player in the league, but we absolutely need at least one player at any position being top 10 in the league. The Blues roster clearly wasn't sustainable as they haven't even gotten close to that success afterwards.

As for Selanne, sure, but the Ducks did have a superstar in Progner as well.
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For sure about Anaheim. Pronger and Niedermayer were two of the three best Ds in the league. Pronger at his best is a monster. Only Lidstrom could compare.
 
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Draft Michko/Smith, acquire Dubois
In 3 years:

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Michkov/Smith
Dubois - Dach - Caufield
Farrell - Beck - Roy
RHP - Kapanen - Heineman

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Engstrom

Montembeault
Dobes

Looks really good. If the kids keep progressing, this could very well be a contending roster
 
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Schooner Guy said:
Why was Michkov #2 in September, #4 in January and #5 in May? The geopolitical situation was the same in September as it is now. His contract had the same end date as it does now.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer.
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So again, you’re portraying your assumptions as facts. There are a variety of reasons and factors that go into rankings. You’re assuming and trying to pass off as fact that you know what they are. You don’t. If you read any scouting report, Michkov is thought of as top tier elite talent but other factors play into actual rankings. You seem to be ignoring those.

Bottom line, stripped down to sheer talent, Michkov is a 1st OA talent in most drafts. If he was playing in NA and was from Ontario or Minnesota, he’d be a top 2 pick.

To quote Bobby Mac:
Bob McKenzie - TSN - Sept. 22nd: "But Michkov is Russian. A Russian who is under contract in the KHL until 2026 and, therefore, almost assuredly more than at least three years away from coming to the NHL."

But that has nothing to do with the rankings. :sarcasm:
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
Draft Michko/Smith, acquire Dubois
In 3 years:

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Michkov/Smith
Dubois - Dach - Caufield
Farrell - Beck - Roy
RHP - Kapanen - Heineman

Guhle - Mailloux
Hutson - Barron
Xhekaj - Engstrom

Montembeault
Dobes

Looks really good. If the kids keep progressing, this could very well be a contending roster
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Matheson is still likely around too. Evans too.
Maybe even Anderson. Probably need an upgrade in net.
 
I swear... if we pick Leonard or Reinbacher or anyone NOT top 5 consensus, I will flip my shit.

Remember how well Kotkaniemi turned out for us, since we were too smart for BPA consensus? "Ew, avoid Tkachuk, he sucked with Boston University".

It's one of Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith. That's it. No others.
 
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A Loyal Dog said:
I swear... if we pick Leonard or Reinbacher or anyone NOT top 5 consensus, I will flip my shit.

Remember how well Kotkaniemi turned out for us, since we were too smart for BPA consensus? "Ew, avoid Tkachuk, he sucked with Boston University".

It's one of Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith. That's it. No others.
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Aren't you kinda contradicting yourself?))

We didn't want Tkachuk and we screwed it up!
 
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A Loyal Dog said:
I swear... if we pick Leonard or Reinbacher or anyone NOT top 5 consensus, I will flip my shit.

Remember how well Kotkaniemi turned out for us, since we were too smart for BPA consensus? "Ew, avoid Tkachuk, he sucked with Boston University".

It's one of Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith. That's it. No others.
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The BPA consensus was Zadina.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
The BPA consensus was Zadina.
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Tkachuk, Zadina, Hughes. We picked someone who scouts had at 10-20 shortly before draft (Bob McKenzie had Kotkaniemi #19 in mid-season - but we all know how scouts LOVE random tournaments).

Also, Tkachuk was ranked higher by NHL Central Scouting and Bob McKenzie, among many others, for the final draft rankings, so nice try.
 
WeThreeKings said:
KK rose to 5 on his final rankings.
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So? He only rose to 5 because he was the "best center", as McKenzie mentioned several times, and because he performed well at a tournament. It was recency bias at its best.

But you know what? I hope we pick Reinbacher or whoever else outside of the "big 5", just to please you. Because you clearly know so much more, and are fully invested in the mediocrity this team has been feeding its fans for so long.
 
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A Loyal Dog said:
So? He only rose to 5 because he was the "best center", as McKenzie mentioned several times, and because he performed well at a tournament. It was recency bias at its best.

But you know what? I hope we pick Reinbacher or whoever else outside of the "big 5", just to please you. Because you clearly know so much more, and are fully invested in the mediocrity this team has been feeding its fans for so long.
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What the hell are you talking about?

I'm just pushing back against the stupid hindsight shit this board loves to do. Every pick that isn't the best pick they could have possibly made at that spot is stupid, and 5 years later everyone knew that that was the guy. The majority of this fan base was all in on Zadina. There were very few Brady supporters and I know who they are/were. Zadinas comments on filling the Habs and Sens nets with pucks didn't come from being ranked below Brady and KK in most rankings. He "fell" to Detroit.

I think they should do the easy thing and take one of the top 5 that is left and call it a day, but no the Habs made the right call on Galchenyuk and nobody was pushing for Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly. Most of the board wanted Zadina, a few wanted Kotkaniemi, a few wanted Hughes, a few wanted Tkachuk and a few wanted Boqvist.

The Habs also tried to trade down to take KK and couldn't because Ottawa wasn't moving and Arizona was taking a center, specifically. They reached further on Hayton than we did on KK.

The hindsight on this board just gets nauseating. Everyone seemingly knew better at the time now that the progression and careers have played out.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
What the hell are you talking about?

I'm just pushing back against the stupid hindsight shit this board loves to do. Every pick that isn't the best pick they could have possibly made at that spot is stupid, and 5 years later everyone knew that that was the guy. The majority of this fan base was all in on Zadina. There were very few Brady supporters and I know who they are/were. Zadinas comments on filling the Habs and Sens nets with pucks didn't come from being ranked below Brady and KK in most rankings. He "fell" to Detroit.

I think they should do the easy thing and take one of the top 5 that is left and call it a day, but no the Habs made the right call on Galchenyuk and nobody was pushing for Filip Forsberg or Morgan Rielly. Most of the board wanted Zadina, a few wanted Kotkaniemi, a few wanted Hughes, a few wanted Tkachuk and a few wanted Boqvist.

The Habs also tried to trade down to take KK and couldn't because Ottawa wasn't moving and Arizona was taking a center, specifically. They reached further on Hayton than we did on KK.

The hindsight on this board just gets nauseating. Everyone seemingly knew better at the time now that the progression and careers have played out.
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To be honest, the only thing I remember about that draft was your huge campaign to not draft Tkachuk ))
 
A Loyal Dog said:
I swear... if we pick Leonard or Reinbacher or anyone NOT top 5 consensus, I will flip my shit.

Remember how well Kotkaniemi turned out for us, since we were too smart for BPA consensus? "Ew, avoid Tkachuk, he sucked with Boston University".

It's one of Bedard, Michkov, Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith. That's it. No others.
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Will Smith is not top 5 consensus, or at least he wasn't until a few weeks ago (there was a top 4 consensus), which should give you some pause. I've seen him play in person at the USA Rink in Michigan, and while he's a very skilled player, he;'s not to going blow you away, and I'd be fine with Leonard at 5 as well. The "wow" players on the USA team are Cole Eiserman and Cole Hutson (Lane's brother). Mayne if his name was Cole Smith, I'd be more certain.
 
Belial said:
To be honest, the only thing I remember about that draft was your huge campaign to not draft Tkachuk ))
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Yes, I didn't want Brady. Unlike others, I own my shit. I had big concerns on his ability to be very productive considering he was getting outshines in the NCAA by a diminutive defenseman with a weak shot.

I was wrong and I've learned lessons.
 
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Schooner Guy said:
Tkachuk was #3 on Bobby Mac's final poll. Zadina was #4.
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HF Habs: - Draft 2018: What are your immediate draft class feelings?

Early and reactionary I know, but what are your initial feelings? Thrilled: Kotkaniemi Fonstad (great value) Happy: Ylonen Olofsson (not much offensive upside but safe bet) Hillis McShane Meh: Gorniak Harris What?: Romanov (too early) Houde
forums.hfboards.com forums.hfboards.com

Go through and see how many people were mad or saying we didn't take BPA for Tkachuk.

And you can stop by and laugh at me for liking Olofsson and Hillis so much.
 
Shutdown said:
Name the 9-19 players who should have been ranked higher.
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It's not important who from 9 to 19. In a normal situation, a player like him (with poor skating) should not be ranked suddently that high just for the reason of recent success. It just show how bad that administration was and how desperate they were drafting from position center vs BPA.

I guess from 9 to 19 half of these players became busts. Drafting is a lottery.
 
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