Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[NORiculous]

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Well that's what Chicago did and they're looking pretty smart right about now.

They did it at the right time, though. Didn’t they do something similar to get Kane/Toews?

Anyway, I think it was possible to do this with the Habs without sacrificing Caufield and co. The Habs only got about 6 wins too many this year. This difference between a real shot at Bedard and what might become Reinbacher… I put that all on management.

They way they dealt with Slafkovsky this year and this are two bone headed moves, IMO.

It might still turn out ok (Like if they draft Michkov, etc) but I can’t say I am super happy if we don’t get a 1st line guy out of this draft.

 

[26Mats]

This would be a dream come true. Leo, come on down!

The hockey writers have Carlsson to the Blue Jackets, Will smith to San Jose, and Michkov to us.

Bob McKenzie has Will Smith to the Jackets, Carlsson to SJ, and Michkov to us.

I say an interview with a Blue Jackets beat writer who is different than Aaron Portzline. He thinks at this point it's a coin flip for them between Carlsson and Will Smith. Carlsson is the big center, Will Smith could be the flashy point producing dynamo...

I'd be ecstatic with either Carlsson or Michkov, but am warming up to Smith.

 

[salbutera]

Michkov is the next Guy Lafleur



Nonesense. The point is let's trade our core player―who is a good but not great player―for an actual great player. The next Guy Lafleur = Michkov.

Let's trade Yvan Cournoyer for Guy Lafleur. That's what it is.

By "great player", I mean Art Ross level superstar.

There is no way of guaranteeing what type of player Michkov will be - let alone correlate to Guy Lafleur! LOL

Alexei Yashin was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Bobby Holik was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Alexandre Daigle was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

There’s a plethora of projections of 17/18 yr olds that quickly fell by the wayside

Hell many here were convinced not picking Shane Wright was a colossal mistake of missing out on a superstar talent… I see he had yet another amazing playoffs!

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Well that's what Chicago did and they're looking pretty smart right about now.

I dunno man, they burned it to the ground partially because of the horrible scandals they went through and because it was rotten from the inside out... It almost had to be done, to be rid of any previous taint that was there from before.

 

[JHabs]

There is no way of guaranteeing what type of player Michkov will be - let alone correlate to Guy Lafleur! LOL

Alexi Yashin was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Bobby Holik was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Alexandre Daigle was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

There’s a plethora of projections of 17/18 yr olds that quickly fell by the wayside

Hell many here were convinced not picking Shane Wright was a colossal mistake of missing out on a superstar talent… I see he had yet another amazing playoffs!

I maintain that passing on Wright will age very well. I was pro-Wright until draft day, so I'll happily eat crow, but I just don't see much there and am glad we took the more dynamic upside player.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Well that's what Chicago did and they're looking pretty smart right about now.

Chicago's chances to be picking 5th were 3 times better than they were of winning first overall.

Banking on a 1 in 10 chance to win top pick isn't smart, it is pure luck.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

How desperate will Yotes be to shed even more actual salary now that they are officially in limbo?

chances are Arizona will be sold or moved theres no way they just give away their star player and even if Keller does get traded ( father's deleted tweet ) he would receive much better offers then that

24 years old under a good long contract over ppg with 37 goals... hes easily worth the 5OA not even sure Coyotes do that trade tbh

i proposed it a few weeks ago and most fans ( including Habs fans ) said we needed to add abit more like a B prospect

 

[DiglettDangles]

Those scouts in the athletic’s article i shared yesterday doesn’t seem to like Reinbacher all that much. Nowhere near 5th overall, at least.

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[417]

Well that's what Chicago did and they're looking pretty smart right about now.

There's nothing smart about ending up with the 1st overall pick in a draft lottery, it's just luck.

Furthermore, they won a lottery, they haven't done shit.

There is no way of guaranteeing what type of player Michkov will be - let alone correlate to Guy Lafleur! LOL

Alexei Yashin was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Bobby Holik was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Alexandre Daigle was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

There’s a plethora of projections of 17/18 yr olds that quickly fell by the wayside

Hell many here were convinced not picking Shane Wright was a colossal mistake of missing out on a superstar talent… I see he had yet another amazing playoffs!

It's so easy to become a "prisoner of the moment" when looking at 17/18 year olds before the draft.

It's a whole other thing to project where they'll be when they're 22-23-24 year olds.

Thta's what seperate the best scouts from the average one's and the average one's from the common fan.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Well that's what Chicago did and they're looking pretty smart right about now.

There's a chance Dach + Michkov ends up better than Bedard + Nazar, and I'm praying hard for that to happen

 

[LaP]

There is no way of guaranteeing what type of player Michkov will be - let alone correlate to Guy Lafleur! LOL

Alexei Yashin was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Bobby Holik was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Alexandre Daigle was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

There’s a plethora of projections of 17/18 yr olds that quickly fell by the wayside

Hell many here were convinced not picking Shane Wright was a colossal mistake of missing out on a superstar talent… I see he had yet another amazing playoffs!

Bobby Holik was a two way physical loch ness monster. He played most of his career in the dead puck era. He was also drafted 10th overall behind some glorious names like Scott Thorton, Dave Chyzowski, Doug Zmolek, Jason Herter and Jason Marshall.

 

[NORiculous]

There's a chance Dach + Michkov ends up better than Bedard + Nazar, and I'm praying hard for that to happen

Yes but there is also a chance that the Habs pass on Michkov and that he becomes better then Bedard. My first prayer goes to not passing on Michkov if he is available at 5.

 

[SOLR]

There is no way of guaranteeing what type of player Michkov will be - let alone correlate to Guy Lafleur! LOL

Alexei Yashin was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Bobby Holik was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

Alexandre Daigle was going to be the next big thing…until he wasn’t

There’s a plethora of projections of 17/18 yr olds that quickly fell by the wayside

Hell many here were convinced not picking Shane Wright was a colossal mistake of missing out on a superstar talent… I see he had yet another amazing playoffs!

Arguably, Michkov's pedigree is way better than any of the busts you named.

Not one of these names was MVP of the U18 at 16.

Michkov's floor is also much higher, a first-line forward. Michkov's ceiling is a Pavel Bure style dynamo.

 

[Vachon23]

It's so easy to become a "prisoner of the moment" when looking at 17/18 year olds before the draft.

It's a whole other thing to project where they'll be when they're 22-23-24 year olds.

Thta's what seperate the best scouts from the average one's and the average one's from the common fan.

So many things can happen...

Something drastic in personnel life, major injuries, not being able to support the pressure of the NHL

 

[417]

So many things can happen...

Something drastic in personnel life, major injuries, not being able to support the pressure of the NHL

These are things which are almost impossible to predict/project, adding to the notion that it's just another roll of the dice at the end of the day. You can gather a ton of information on a prospect, do all of your homework and feel absolutely certain of what kind of player he'll be, but there are things you just can't predict.

 

[Sorinth]

They did it at the right time, though. Didn’t they do something similar to get Kane/Toews?

No they did the opposite during the Kane/Toews period and were going out trading picks/prospects for guys like Havlat and signing big money UFAs like Khavibulin.

 

[BLONG7]

What if Bedard says he wont go to Chicago??

 

[McGees]

What if Bedard says he wont go to Chicago??

Then I’d become his number 1 fan.

 

[WeThreeKings]

What if Bedard says he wont go to Chicago??

He won't but he should say that.

I'd love for that franchise to face any kind of consequence

 

[26Mats]

There's a chance Dach + Michkov ends up better than Bedard + Nazar, and I'm praying hard for that to happen

CC - Suzuki and Michkov - Dach would be two nice duos. Especially when the 3rd wheels are Slaf and Dubois.

The thing is, if we want to make that happen, it's there for the taking. For sure we can trade up with Columbus to get the 3rd overall pick if we commit to taking Michkov, leaving them Smith or Carlsson at 5. Only question is, what's the Price? Beck? Harris? Matheson?

 

[sampollock]

more I read, Smith seems the guy the Kent would go after.

 

[ReHabs]

How much urgency do you think Hughes and Gorton feel toward this pick?

Do you figure they think they can afford to keep “re“building for another two years?

I’m having a hard time picturing which sort of approach they’ll have. The Dach acquisition was a curveball.

 

[salbutera]

No they did the opposite during the Kane/Toews period and were going out trading picks/prospects for guys like Havlat and signing big money UFAs like Khavibulin.

Yup coming out of 2004 lockout, Hawks went on a UFA spending spree as you mention Khabibulin, Havlat, Adrian Aucoin and a few others, then halfway through the season were looking to deal them all because they sucked.

In fact iirc Gainey had a deal in place to acquire Khabibulin + Aucoin at 2006 trade deadline that fell through (as reported by Pat Hickey), because Aucoin broke his foot (leg?), the night before deadline day as the GMs we’re finalizing the deal.

Buf GM Murray did everything he could to set himself up for finishing last and getting highest odds for McJesus lottery… and was visibly pissed on national TV, off at having come in 2OA pick

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Still bonkers to trade for someone like that with the whole situation happening, not knowing their future, not having control of development, we don't even know if they'd take him 5th overall never mind trade him for your fan favorite cash cow blossoming star -
nah that's crazy talk

The whole "controlling development" thing is completely exagerated. It didn't stop the development of many K alumnis, latest of which was Kaprisov. It's the 2nd best league in the world and Michkov belongs to one of its greatest franchises.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Bobby Holik was a two way physical loch ness monster. He played most of his career in the dead puck era. He was also drafted 10th overall behind some glorious names like Scott Thorton, Dave Chyzowski, Doug Zmolek, Jason Herter and Jason Marshall.

Yeah holik was a 60+ point 2 way player in the DPE and instrumental in 2 cups.

Yashin was absolutely a superstar too, this guys examples are way out of wack