GDT: Canadiens Annual Golf Tournament

[scrubadam]

Of course he asked for 8 years. You don't start any negotiation with your bottom line. You aren't that naive, I'm certain. It's pretty clear to me that re-signing Radulov was no kind of priority at all for Bergevin. Swapping Radulov for Drouin seems very likely to be what he was thinking from the outset.

It's arguable that in the long term, Drouin makes the team better. It's hard to argue though, that signing both isn't a substantial improvement. Let's not lose sight of the fact that a very valuable asset was lost in that Drouin trade as well.

I am sure you will call LaJoie a liar but he reported that he never seen MB so upset as he was over losing Radu. So I think you are wrong. Signing Radu was something MB wanted to do and thought he was going to be able to do.

He offered him a very good contract. In the end Radu walked out on MB/Habs and all the Habs fans that cheered him on last year. Keep blaming MB if you want but all events point to MB countering Radus high demands and coming down to a very fair offer and Radu basically saying thanks but I am going to UFA no matter what and then signing with the one team that matched not even beat MB's offer.

I ask again why is it so difficult for Radu to sign the 6.25x5 on June 30th/July 1st that MB had on the table? What was so wrong with that offer?

 

[417]

If Galchenyuk is going to play wing, I really hope they put him at RW.

Same here...though I suspect they'll put him on LW under the guise that it's too much of a burden to ask him to play his off wing in his own zone.

Yet I'd remember them they let Radulov do it

 

[Milhouse40]

Trading for Duchene would likely require Danault or Lehkonen with picks and prospects. With Markov signed that would've been impossible.
Gallagher for RNH would have left us with nothing to improve other areas
Tavares is probably the only one which we could send around equal salary back.
These are only example of forwards that are/could be available.

Why are you comparing San Jose's situation with Thornton and ours with Markov? Its completely different. With Thornton signed, San Jose still have almost 9 million left in cap space.
With Markov signed at 6 million, we would have only 3 million left. We would also have have the most expensive defenseman corps in the NHL.

Keeping free Cap Space for the "maybe"....the "what if".....the "In case of"....is not really a good value for the team on the ice.

And San Jose overpaid Thornton to keep him. That's the point. They still need to add 4 players to their teams, so they will end up probably around 3-4M left just the Habs would if Markov was signed.

 

[Censored Toad]

Didn't see him, just heard some audio. Galchy got fat?

anyone got sum photos??

 

[417]

Julien apparently said at the golf tournament that he'd most likely start off using him on the right.

Really? That's great news if it's the case

Pacioretty-Drouin-Gallagher
Lehkonen-Danault-Galchenyuk

Is something I can get down with

 

[417]

Dunno about "fat", but I think this is the one?

lol he's not fat...just an unflattering picture.

He's got more than enough picture/videos on IG that show he's far from being fat or even out of shape.

Edit - it's also not the picture I was joking about.

The one I'm talking about he's standing next to Price

 

[MXD]

lol he's not fat...just an unflattering picture.

He's got more than enough picture/videos on IG that show he's far from being fat or even out of shape.

Dunno about "fat", but I think this is the one?

There's a significantly worse one, looking for it.
EDIT : It's on the other page.

 

[waffledave]

Julien apparently said at the golf tournament that he'd most likely start off using him on the right.

This is good. When he hit 30 he scored most of his goals on the RW while playing the PP. His one-timer from there is insane and he is at his best when on the right.

As for the pic, yeah he looks really really bad there. I hope it's just a bad angle.

edit: Referring to the one where he's in a white shirt next to Price.

 

[MXD]

 

[Milhouse40]

I am sure you will call LaJoie a liar but he reported that he never seen MB so upset as he was over losing Radu. So I think you are wrong. Signing Radu was something MB wanted to do and thought he was going to be able to do.

He offered him a very good contract. In the end Radu walked out on MB/Habs and all the Habs fans that cheered him on last year. Keep blaming MB if you want but all events point to MB countering Radus high demands and coming down to a very fair offer and Radu basically saying thanks but I am going to UFA no matter what and then signing with the one team that matched not even beat MB's offer.

I ask again why is it so difficult for Radu to sign the 6.25x5 on June 30th/July 1st that MB had on the table? What was so wrong with that offer?

It was Lebrun who said it, Lajoie probably just take it from there.

Was it the same offer?
There's always 2 sides of the story and both side doesn't say the same thing and both will do everything to protect their interest.

Never forget that Radulov has a 15 teams NTC (That's worth something) and he also get $18M in signing bonus.

Fo your consideration, Drouin got $3M, Alzner $3.5M, Gallagher $3.25M, Galchenyuk $0, Pacioretty 0$.

So i'm not so sure, it was exactly the same offer.

 

[Mr Fox]

Julien apparently said at the golf tournament that he'd most likely start off using him on the right.

Julien did not say that he would start on the right. He said that Galchenyuk would start as a winger but he is not closing the door on him going back to center position. A journalist asked him about playing on the right side since he would be in a better position to take a shot. Julien answered jockingly that they were also considering playing him as a defenseman which the journalist thought meant that Chucky would not be tried at RW.

CJ rectified saying that, No, he is not closing the door on playing him on the right side and that he would see where he fits as camp advances.

So he didn't say he would or would not try him; only that he sees him as a winger for now, and may consider both sides as options.

 

[417]

Consequences of a poorly fitted shirt

 

[David Suzuki]

thicc

 

[Hoople]

Did MB really let Markov go for 1 freaking millions?
Just one millions dollars, are you serious?

Now he say that Schlemko will be Weber's partner?
Man, this is hard to swallow that pill.

Did you forget how spent Markov was in the playoffs? Not a slam against Markov. Time caught up to him. At his age and looking at his results, it was time to part ways

 

[Milhouse40]

I agree. I think it was probably resonable like certain amount of games played and probably more along the lines of getting 30 pts rather than 50.

I don't think winning a Norris or scoring 20 G was his bonus threshold.

And him spending his career here means he earned and was given a ton of money already. Jagr signs these bonus contracts also and he is a 1st ballot HOFer.

To me it was the best solution. If Markov produces he gets paid, if he stinks it up because he is old the team has extra cap space. Would another Plek situation be better where we are stuck paying him big $$$ for crap performance?

I get it from Markovs POV, he wants the sure money. but after all the team paid him, supported him during his injuries taking a bonus contract and leaving the team with flexibility isn't a big ask. And if he really things he is worth 5/6 Mill than he would hit his bonuses anyways and get paid.

And if he get injured, then **** his bonus.
Markov had 36pts in 62 games and a +16....pay the man upfront.

It's funny how you talked about how Radulov threat the Habs and his fans by leaving after a year...but yet, this organisation almost spit in the face of Markov with those performance bonus.

If we were really tight against the Cap, i would have understand, but that was really not the case.

 

[habaholic]

I'm going to provide the direct quotes from Bergevin and Julien, in French, so you can connect the right dots :

"Claude Julien also spoke to the media, and his GM said that although it’s ultimately Julien’s decision, he thinks Alex Galchenyuk will fit on the right wing."

"C. Julien prendra la décision finale, mais Bergevin verrait d'un bon oeil que Galchenyuk joue Ã* droite, avec ses qualités de tireur"

"Julien thinks Galchenyuk can play the right wing as well."

"Concernant Galchenyuk Ã* l'aile DROITE, Julien croit qu'il a le talent pour s'ajuster et être efficace Ã* cette position"

He did say those things but in response to a direct question about "why wouldn't they try him on the right?"

He didn't suggest it, said they won't close the door on anything

 

[Milhouse40]

Did you forget how spent Markov was in the playoffs? Not a slam against Markov. Time caught up to him. At his age and looking at his results, it was time to part ways

And you go out and sign Streit....makes senses......I know, i know, Cap Space is the new McDavid in an organization.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Keeping free Cap Space for the "maybe"....the "what if".....the "In case of"....is not really a good value for the team on the ice.

And San Jose overpaid Thornton to keep him. That's the point. They still need to add 4 players to their teams, so they will end up probably around 3-4M left just the Habs would if Markov was signed.

Its much better to keep cap space for a top 6 center on a year which supposedly many of them will be available than to use it on a defenseman whom even if we signed wouldve then just be gone next year.

Also, Markov's lost only affects us in the regular season since he isn't good in the playoffs. Even if we do not use the cap space on a top 6 forward, we could probably get a top 4 defenseman in the trade deadline who will be more effective in the playoff than Markov was for us.

Thornton is worth overpaying for, Markov is not.
San Jose will likely sign a couple of 4th liners and a 7th defenseman, so they will likely have around 5 million left in capspace.

 

[MXD]

Its much better to keep cap space for a top 6 center on a year which supposedly many of them will be available than to use it on a defenseman whom even if we signed wouldve then just be gone next year.

Many Top-6 Centers are available?

 

[scrubadam]

And if he get injured, then **** his bonus.
Markov had 36pts in 62 games and a +16....pay the man upfront.

Why? If he gets injured and doesn't earn his bonuses its more flexibility for the habs. Already paid him nearly 2 years while he was injured. Not sure why you are such a fan of Markovs bank account trust me it is far from empty.

I don't see why you have a problem with Markov earning his contract. Are you scared he will get hurt or not produce and he isn't as good as you think? If he is as good and needed he will hit his bonuses.

It's funny how you talked about how Radulov threat the Habs and his fans by leaving after a year...but yet, this organisation almost spit in the face of Markov with those performance bonus.

Did FLA spit in Jagr's face when he signed a bonus contract with them last year? Jagr a first ballot HOFer and top 10 or 5 player to ever lace em up. Who still had 46 points last year?

If Markov thinks he is as good as he is then a bonus contract is no problem he will earn them. And it gives the team flexibility and a chance to be better to win him a cup. Markov is going to be 39 its not unreasonable to ask him to sign a contract with bonuses.

If we were really tight against the Cap, i would have understand, but that was really not the case.

Well once we sign Markov we become tight against the cap. And then if he pulls a Pleks we are tight against the cap for no reason.

To me a bonus contract was best for the team and fair on Markov. He was even getting a raise (he only got paid 4.5 last year) if he earned those bonuses.

Habs have been loyal to him for 16 years, even though a few of those he barely played for the team. I see no reason why from the teams perspective its to much to ask for him to take a bonus contract that give the TEAM more flexibility.

But in the end I would rather have Markov than cap space so with hindsight I would of paid him. But I understand why MB offered him the contract he did. I also understand why Markov would take the guranteed KHL money. Doesn't mean I agree with his decision though.

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

And if he get injured, then **** his bonus.
Markov had 36pts in 62 games and a +16....pay the man upfront.

It's funny how you talked about how Radulov threat the Habs and his fans by leaving after a year...but yet, this organisation almost spit in the face of Markov with those performance bonus.

If we were really tight against the Cap, i would have understand, but that was really not the case.

This.

From what I've got in this interview, Markov wanted 2 years and MB didn't want to commit to 2 years, a few days / weeks later, Markov calls MB and tells him he's opened to 1 year and MB makes an offer that is millions appart of what Markov is asking.

This is greedy on MB's side. 1st, he got Markov to reconsider only one year. 2nd, he wanted Markov for much less than what he asked for, and considering Markov's performances and the market, he had all the rights to ask for a good amount of money, and certainly no less than the 'many millions' difference that was on the table (as MB told on 91.9). Markov was then gone. MB played hardball with him and got burnt. This is very frustrating and just shows how incompetent MB is when handling negociations. You have to give and take, you can't always take. MB's greed made us lose Markov.

 

[sampollock]

well George L, you are just like the rest ...full of hot air

 

[417]

This.

From what I've got in this interview, Markov wanted 2 years and MB didn't want to commit to 2 years, a few days / weeks later, Markov calls MB and tells him he's opened to 1 year and MB makes an offer that is Ms appart of what Markov is asking. This is Greedy on MB's side. 1st, he got Markov to consider only one year. 2nd, he wanted Markov for much less than what he asked for, and considering Markov's performances and our defensive depth, he had all the rights to ask for a good amount of money, and certainly no less than the 'many millions' difference that was on the table (as MB told on 91.9). Markov was then gone. MB played hardball with him and got burnt.

Markov, last year, received 4.25M in CASH...so he made that in SALARY last year.

I realize his cap hit was higher, but that's what he made in cash.

The offer Bergevin gave him this past summer was for MORE CASH than he made the previous year.

There was nothing insulting about the offer...Markov wanted more and he had a KHL offer as leverage.

More power to both

 

[Mario le Magnifique]

Markov, last year, received 4.25M in CASH...so he made that in SALARY last year.

I realize his cap hit was higher, but that's what he made in cash.

The offer Bergevin gave him this past summer was for MORE CASH than he made the previous year.

There was nothing insulting about the offer...Markov wanted more and he had a KHL offer as leverage.

More power to both

Why defend MB ? Markov had all the rights to ask more, he played a top2 role and was our best defenseman for good portion of the season. He had the leverage required to ask for a short term raise. Our team is desperate for LHD. Now our team looks abysmal. He played better hockey than Petry, who makes more money. Let me ask you, if you outperform a coworker that is paid more than you in a role lesser than yours, aren't you gonna ask for a raise or move on ?

 

[BLONG7]

BUT HEY NOW WE GOT CAPSPACE AM I RIGHT?

Capspace will be our best C down the middle...book it!!

Our GM is an idiot, for having zero foresight...