GDT: Canadiens Annual Golf Tournament

[Kudo Shinichi]

Do we care about what's fair?
Especially for one year in which we start with a lot more than that in free money.

huh?
5 million is what'd you expect Markov to get. So Markov not accepting it is Markov's fault and not Bergevins. I doubt any other team offered more than 5 million.

If we had given Markov 6 million, we would have had 2.4 million left, which would probably not have been enough to trade for a Duchene, Tavares, or RNH.
And that's not including the needed cap space to improve other parts of the roster at the trade deadline

 

[417]

Drouin assertive and confident as ****.

The Drouin era will be remembered as one of the great era of the modern habs.

Drouin's confidence in his abilities and his willingness to take on pressure is a lot like PK Subban's.

And personally, I LOVED that the most from PK.

 

[MaxDummy]

I'll repeat what I said earlier...

The Ottawa Senators are planning on starting Johnny Oduya with Erik Karlsson
The Toronto Maple Leafs are planning on starting Ron Hainsey with Morgan Reilly
The Boston Bruins are planning on starting a fresh faced rookie Charlie MacAvoy with ol' man Zdeno Chara

Habs shouldn't compare themselves to the sens, leafs or Bruins... We should be contender by now.

 

[MaxDummy]

huh?
5 million is what'd you expect Markov to get. So Markov not accepting it is Markov's fault and not Bergevins. I doubt any other team offered more than 5 million.

If we had given Markov 6 million, we would have had 2.4 million left, which would probably not have been enough to trade for a Duchene, Tavares, or RNH.
And that's not including the needed cap space to improve other parts of the roster at the trade deadline

Between 5 guarenteed millions and 5 bonus driven millions there is a world of difference. Especially for a 39yo player. For a team with 8,4millions of cap space? Doesn't change much

 

[417]

Habs shouldn't compare themselves to the sens, leafs or Bruins... We should be contender by now.

Someone said that our top pair is the worst in the league...I posted 3 other teams top pairs to provide perspective.

Not to compare teams.

I stopped that exercise to those 3 teams, I could of included even more teams.

 

[the]

huh?
5 million is what'd you expect Markov to get. So Markov not accepting it is Markov's fault and not Bergevins. I doubt any other team offered more than 5 million.

If we had given Markov 6 million, we would have had 2.4 million left, which would probably not have been enough to trade for a Duchene, Tavares, or RNH.
And that's not including the needed cap space to improve other parts of the roster at the trade deadline

Markov is easily worth 5 million especially on a 1 year contract. Bergevin offered him lower than 5 million, he needed to perform via some bonuses to get that salary.

You think RNH, Tavares or Duchene are going to magically appear here for free? We would need to trade a roster player for them. Markov signing for 6 million wasn't going to block us from getting a star player.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'll repeat what I said earlier...

The Ottawa Senators are planning on starting Johnny Oduya with Erik Karlsson
The Toronto Maple Leafs are planning on starting Ron Hainsey with Morgan Reilly
The Boston Bruins are planning on starting a fresh faced rookie Charlie MacAvoy with ol' man Zdeno Chara

And i would take MacAvoy or Oduya ahead of Schlemko..
As for Toronto, there's Jake Gardiner there.

huh?
5 million is what'd you expect Markov to get. So Markov not accepting it is Markov's fault and not Bergevins. I doubt any other team offered more than 5 million.

If we had given Markov 6 million, we would have had 2.4 million left, which would probably not have been enough to trade for a Duchene, Tavares, or RNH.
And that's not including the needed cap space to improve other parts of the roster at the trade deadline

Don't need to sign Streit with Makov in...so the Habs would have $3.2M.

So we are getting one Duchene, Tavares or RNH?
That's news to me, wasn't aware of that one.
Any guarantee or you're just dreaming about it?

Do you think Thornton is worth 8M$ in San Jose?
No he's not, but he makes the Sharks a better team and there was nobody else to add anyway.

Trading for one the players you named will cost a Gallagher or a Galchenyuk to complete, which means those trade would be possible with a 2-3M cap space.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I'll repeat what I said earlier...

The Ottawa Senators are planning on starting Johnny Oduya with Erik Karlsson
The Toronto Maple Leafs are planning on starting Ron Hainsey with Morgan Reilly
The Boston Bruins are planning on starting a fresh faced rookie Charlie MacAvoy with ol' man Zdeno Chara

To be fair:

1) Erik Karlsson and anyone will still be pretty good, because Karlsson is the best D in the NHL and a top-5 player in the NHL.
2) I'm not sure I'd call Hainsey-Reilly Toronto's top pair. Reilly barely played more Gardiner and Zaitsev-Gardiner was the better pair. Toronto doesn't really have a 1st pairing.

Boston's D doesn't look very good though.

 

[the]

I'm unhappy with the direction this team took but I'm happy we manged to get Claude Julien. I always liked him and I feel we got one of the best coach in the league.

I just don't understand why the rest of the coaching staff didn't change with his arrival.

 

[417]

To be fair:

1) Erik Karlsson and anyone will still be pretty good, because Karlsson is the best D in the NHL and a top-5 player in the NHL.

Agreed...and to be fair, the same applies to Shea Weber (although to a lesser degree than Karlsson). Perfect evidence of that is we played Weber/Emelin for most of the year and managed to win a Division.

2) I'm not sure I'd call Hainsey-Reilly Toronto's top pair. Reilly barely played more Gardiner and Zaitsev-Gardiner was the better pair. Toronto doesn't really have a 1st pairing.

Which makes the statement of "Habs #2 the worst in the league" even more ridiculous, doesn't it?

Boston's D doesn't look very good though.

Which again, makes the statement that started all of this, even more ridiculous

 

[Captain Mountain]

Agreed...and to be fair, the same applies to Shea Weber (although to a lesser degree than Karlsson). Perfect evidence of that is we played Weber/Emelin for most of the year and managed to win a Division.



Which makes the statement of "Habs #2 the worst in the league" even more ridiculous, doesn't it?


Which again, makes the statement that started all of this, even more ridiculous

I was expanding, not refuting. And its all relative anyway. Generally you DON'T put your top defencemen together. You're top-2 D anchor different pairs. Montreals #2 D is Petry, who is very good. Its after that that the group falls off a cliff.

For instance, Weber is better than any Toronto D. Petry is in the same group as Reilly (overrated) and Gardiner (underrated). Zaitsev is better than any other D Montreal has though.

 

[417]

I was expanding, not refuting. And its all relative anyway. Generally you DON'T put your top defencemen together. You're top-2 D anchor different pairs. Montreals #2 D is Petry, who is very good. Its after that that the group falls off a cliff.

The Habs are missing an ideal candidate to play next to Weber...no one will deny that, they'll have to do it by committee until a more permanent situation can be found

But IMO, the Habs D, 1 through 7-8, is better than what it was last year.

We're just missing some quality at the top end of it.

 

[the]

I swear I'm about to fall asleep during this Pacioretty conference

 

[scrubadam]

With Markov I think the sticking point was the bonuses not the 1 Million $ gap.

I don't see an issue with a bonus contract for a guy turning 39. MB can defer the bonus to next year. So if he signed him to a 3 Mill contract, take out Striet and whoever we send to the AHL if a trade happens habs would have about 7 or so million available.

Does everyone really have a problem with Markov earning his contract? Was he not confident enough in his own game that he would of been able to reach those bonuses?

 

[Phil Parent]

I give zero credence to anything that was said today. The media played the role of can openers, all we heard was Chef Boyardee made into interviews.

The golf tournament is a thing so that the sponsors may rub elbows with the players.

I'm moving along and looking forward to the medicals. See who's in shape, who's put on a big load of muscles that may or may not crap out on them and who's a big fat ****, you can tell a lot with these.

And of course, training camp experiments are always fun.

This season will sure be eventful. Good? No ****ing clue.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The Habs are missing an ideal candidate to play next to Weber...no one will deny that, they'll have to do it by committee until a more permanent situation can be found

But IMO, the Habs D, 1 through 7-8, is better than what it was last year.

We're just missing some quality at the top end of it.

I'll disagree with that. Even limiting to a one year window, the team's complete failure to replace Markov's minutes undoes any other marginal gains throughout the line-up. People like to rag on Markov, but he was Montreal's most consistent passing D, put up 36 points and helped control play against tough competition. He was declining and had weaknesses, but expecting anybody on the team to make up for what he did, even by committee, is wholly unrealistic.

 

[417]

I give zero credence to anything that was said today. The media played the role of can openers, all we heard was Chef Boyardee made into interviews.

The golf tournament is a thing so that the sponsors may rub elbows with the players.

I'm moving along and looking forward to the medicals. See who's in shape, who's put on a big load of muscles that may or may not crap out on them and who's a big fat ****, you can tell a lot with these.

And of course, training camp experiments are always fun.

This season will sure be eventful. Good? No ****ing clue.

On that note...I'm shocked Galchenyuk's picture from the golf tournament doesn't have this board on fire right now lol

 

[417]

I'll disagree with that. Even limiting to a one year window, the team's complete failure to replace Markov's minutes undoes any other marginal gains throughout the line-up. People like to rag on Markov, but he was Montreal's most consistent passing D, put up 36 points and helped control play against tough competition. He was declining and had weaknesses, but expecting anybody on the team to make up for what he did, even by committee, is wholly unrealistic.

Markov has long been my favorite Habs player, so I don't necessarily disagree with you.

To me, he was the biggest loss this offseason and while I think we can overcome Radulov's lost collectively, I don't think we can for Markov, not so much his points, but just his presence and impact when he's on the ice.

The guy just thought the game on a next level and even if his body didn't permit him from doing certain things anymore, things we needed, his brain made up for much of that.

 

[Phil Parent]

On that note...I'm shocked Galchenyuk's picture from the golf tournament doesn't have this board on fire right now lol

Didn't see him, just heard some audio. Galchy got fat?

 

[Milhouse40]

With Markov I think the sticking point was the bonuses not the 1 Million $ gap.

I don't see an issue with a bonus contract for a guy turning 39. MB can defer the bonus to next year. So if he signed him to a 3 Mill contract, take out Striet and whoever we send to the AHL if a trade happens habs would have about 7 or so million available.

Does everyone really have a problem with Markov earning his contract? Was he not confident enough in his own game that he would of been able to reach those bonuses?

Depend on the Bonus.
If he gets $1M only if he reach 50pts or 35pts makes a big difference in what type of bonus he was offered.

Either way.....he spend his entire career here.
Give him his money especially if you have it.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Don't need to sign Streit with Makov in...so the Habs would have $3.2M.

So we are getting one Duchene, Tavares or RNH?
That's news to me, wasn't aware of that one.
Any guarantee or you're just dreaming about it?

Do you think Thornton is worth 8M$ in San Jose?
No he's not, but he makes the Sharks a better team and there was nobody else to add anyway.

Trading for one the players you named will cost a Gallagher or a Galchenyuk to complete, which means those trade would be possible with a 2-3M cap space.

Trading for Duchene would likely require Danault or Lehkonen with picks and prospects. With Markov signed that would've been impossible.
Gallagher for RNH would have left us with nothing to improve other areas
Tavares is probably the only one which we could send around equal salary back.
These are only example of forwards that are/could be available.

Why are you comparing San Jose's situation with Thornton and ours with Markov? Its completely different. With Thornton signed, San Jose still have almost 9 million left in cap space.
With Markov signed at 6 million, we would have only 3 million left. We would also have have the most expensive defenseman corps in the NHL.

 

[groovejuice]

I beleive that the PC had 0 effect on Radu's decision.

Seeing how he asked for 8 years and held that request till June and had the same offer from Dallas sitting there before July 1 MB did what he could to retain Radu and Radu decided to walk out on the habs.

If MB wouldn't have kept his mouth shut or kissed Radu's butt he still would of signed with Dallas regardless.

Of course he asked for 8 years. You don't start any negotiation with your bottom line. You aren't that naive, I'm certain. It's pretty clear to me that re-signing Radulov was no kind of priority at all for Bergevin. Swapping Radulov for Drouin seems very likely to be what he was thinking from the outset.

It's arguable that in the long term, Drouin makes the team better. It's hard to argue though, that signing both isn't a substantial improvement. Let's not lose sight of the fact that a very valuable asset was lost in that Drouin trade as well.

 

[waffledave]

If Galchenyuk is going to play wing, I really hope they put him at RW.

 

[scrubadam]

Depend on the Bonus.
If he gets $1M only if he reach 50pts or 35pts makes a big difference in what type of bonus he was offered.

Either way.....he spend his entire career here.
Give him his money especially if you have it.

I agree. I think it was probably resonable like certain amount of games played and probably more along the lines of getting 30 pts rather than 50.

I don't think winning a Norris or scoring 20 G was his bonus threshold.

And him spending his career here means he earned and was given a ton of money already. Jagr signs these bonus contracts also and he is a 1st ballot HOFer.

To me it was the best solution. If Markov produces he gets paid, if he stinks it up because he is old the team has extra cap space. Would another Plek situation be better where we are stuck paying him big $$$ for crap performance?

I get it from Markovs POV, he wants the sure money. but after all the team paid him, supported him during his injuries taking a bonus contract and leaving the team with flexibility isn't a big ask. And if he really things he is worth 5/6 Mill than he would hit his bonuses anyways and get paid.

 

[BLONG7]

On that note...I'm shocked Galchenyuk's picture from the golf tournament doesn't have this board on fire right now lol

What pic??