Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Zippity]

Why don’t you hear much from the NHL insiders media?

 

[93LEAFS]

A police officer once told me that if I'm ever accused of something, deny it, even if you know you did it. There's no extra penalty for lying.

This was in the case of a traffic violation, mind you, but it's a strategy a lot of people use.

Every person should know the first phrase is always, I'm not saying anything until an attorney is present. Atleast for anything that is criminal. You obviously can't do that on a traffic ticket without looking like a moron.

 

[Tyrus]

Not good enough, they should be forced to push for all sexual assault claims to be brought to court and refuse all forms of voluntary settlement if they want their funding back.

Otherwise it's just switching funds around, it's meaningless.

So long as those settlements still exist and HC are getting funds from the government the taxpayers are paying for those settlements, even if only indirectly by allowing HC to still operate.

 

[Zippity]

 

[I am toxic]

You really double downed there, eh?

See, it's called projection. It's an intellectually dishonest debating technique, same as a straw man.

You first did it when you falsely accused me of what you were dishonestly doing - falsely accusing me of being disingenuous as you disingenuously used a strawman argument in a failed attempt to discredit my position.

And now you are doing it again, doubling (well, now tripling) down while falsely accusing me of doubling down.

Projection. Strawman. The next intellectually dishonest debating technique is ad hominem. You know you are going to resort to it, go ahead, just get it over with.

Just don't call me toxic.

 

[Sun God Nika]

That text message exchange (if true) is alarming to say the least.

That reeks of a desperate, panicked young man that knows he f***ed up, trying to gaslight a victim into bailing he and his buddies out of trouble. Probably saw his career flash before his eyes.

Honest hypothetical question.

You are 18 with close to no education and you and your friends just had consensual sex with a girl. It felt dirty but you got consent for it. The next morning you find out the girl is going to the police. Now you are panicking what if my girlfriend finds out? What about my mom and family? Is what I did illegal even tho she was ok with it? What are you going to do?

I would be way more aggressive than that hockey player in those text messages for sure if I felt someone was falsifying info.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Not good enough, they should be forced to push for all sexual assault claims to be brought to court and refuse all forms of voluntary settlement.

Otherwise it's just switching funds around.

So long as those settlements still exist and HC are getting funds from the government the taxpayers are paying for those settlements, even if only indirectly by allowing HC to still operate.

Why? To put the victim through the wringer again in a whole new way? Make them relive the trauma they went through? Have a team of lawyers try to discredit them for months, all while incurring legal fees that could surpass the settlement amount?

In many cases, a settlement is the desired outcome for the victim. And based on the victims lawyer's statement after the settlement in this case, it was resolved in the way that she wanted it to be resolved.

Hockey Canada should be required to publicly disclose all settlements, and they should have a clear plan to try and prevent any sexual assault cases from occurring, but they shouldn't be forced to bring all cases to court.

The priority should be resolving cases in a way that limits the harm done to the victim, not worrying about the taxpayer.

 

[Quinning]

Honest hypothetical question.

You are 18 with close to no education and you and your friends just had consensual sex with a girl. It felt dirty but you got consent for it. The next morning you find out the girl is going to the police. Now you are panicking what if my girlfriend finds out? What about my mom and family? Is what I did illegal even tho she was ok with it? What are you going to do?

I would be way more aggressive than that hockey player in those text messages for sure if I felt someone was falsifying info.

This comes back to my earlier post about a lack of education around criminal, ethical, moral and fiscal responsibilities for young pro athletes.

Nobody is there or cares to teach them about these things, because they are assets at the end of the day. They are means to an end to generate $ for business owners. They are not seen as people, they are disposable kids and can be replaced in a heartbeat by thousands of others who will buy into the culture of toxicity. And often times, the ones who do the replacing are ex-pros who went through the same cycle of privilege, wealth and lack of consequences for things other people would be severely punished for doing.

Consent, in a situation like this, should not be enough to quell alarm bells that would be going off in any rational 18 year olds mind. Anyone with a quality upbringing would know not to get themselves into a situation with a young, intoxicated female and seven of your drunk buddies. Especially if it's drunk consent - I would get the f*** out of there and find something else to do.

They didn't think there would be consequences for their actions because they've likely never suffered consequences for any of their actions. Talented athletes get special treatment at all levels of life.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Honest hypothetical question.

You are 18 with close to no education and you and your friends just had consensual sex with a girl. It felt dirty but you got consent for it. The next morning you find out the girl is going to the police. Now you are panicking what if my girlfriend finds out? What about my mom and family? Is what I did illegal even tho she was ok with it? What are you going to do?

I would be way more aggressive than that hockey player in those text messages for sure if I felt someone was falsifying info.

Option B: Don't f***ing talk to anyone who has filed a police report against you. This person is 18, they are not a child. This should be self-evident.

 

[bandwagonesque]

See, it's called projection. It's an intellectually dishonest debating technique, same as a straw man.

You first did it when you falsely accused me of what you were dishonestly doing - falsely accusing me of being disingenuous as you disingenuously used a strawman argument in a failed attempt to discredit my position.

And now you are doing it again, doubling (well, now tripling) down yet falsely accusing me of doubling down.

Would an Inception reference be overly trite at this point?

 

[bigdog16]

Let me reiterate. Bolded mine. In fact, the entire quote is mine.



If you want to address football or basketball, I will look forward to the debate on FFBoards and BFBoards.

I literally said I agreed with you and you still tried to turn it into a dick measuring contest

Newsflash - this is HFboards. If you aren’t willing to entertain debate then this for sure isn’t the right place for you

 

[red devil]

 

[surixon]

Not good enough, they should be forced to push for all sexual assault claims to be brought to court and refuse all forms of voluntary settlement if they want their funding back.

Otherwise it's just switching funds around, it's meaningless.

So long as those settlements still exist and HC are getting funds from the government the taxpayers are paying for those settlements, even if only indirectly by allowing HC to still operate.

How should they pay for lawsuits in the future then?

Even if they have the best policies/pracrice in place that still doesn't preclude future incidents and doesn't preclude themselves being the subject of a lawsuit. One way or another whether through settlement or a lengthy expensive court case they require funding. That money has to come from somewhere. There is no such thing as a perfect system that will guarantee nothing happens in the future.

With regards to criminal charges, that is a other matter altogether and I'd expect there to be changes in how Hockey Canada handles that as well as dishes out punishment.

 

[Zippity]

 

[DaveMatthew]

Option B: Don't f***ing talk to anyone who has filed a police report against you. This person is 18, they are not a child. This should be self-evident.

You're right. The rational thing to do would have been to immediately retain counsel and have them go on the offensive to discredit the accusation.

But no, that's not what 95% of 18-year-olds would do. They're not children, but they're usually stupid with next to no real-life experience.

 

[Quinning]

Why are all of these statements nearly direct copies of each other?

 

[Golden_Jet]

If the IIHF wasn't spineless, one idea would be that they'd ban Canada from all competitions until this matter is appropriately dealt with. After all, they were quick to kick Russia out for their government's invasion of a neighboring state. That would get the public to demand real action VERY quickly.

Russia was already banned, and playing under the athletes of Russia, with no flag, because of Govt sponsored doping.

 

[Zippity]

Why are all of these statements nearly direct copies of each other?

Copy and paste from the same lawyers? You know dam well every player on the team knew about the gang bang.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why don’t you hear much from the NHL insiders media?

All on vacation for 2 months now.

 

[Bevans]

Not good enough, they should be forced to push for all sexual assault claims to be brought to court and refuse all forms of voluntary settlement if they want their funding back.

Otherwise it's just switching funds around, it's meaningless.

So long as those settlements still exist and HC are getting funds from the government the taxpayers are paying for those settlements, even if only indirectly by allowing HC to still operate.

What?? You want hockey Canada to force victims to go to court? How would they enforce this?

It seems you don't understand the gravity of your words. This is a preposterous demand.

 

[BondraTime]

Why are all of these statements nearly direct copies of each other?

Because lawyers and law firms know what they’re doing

 

[Arbsy]

Because, with the information we currently have, having a solid stance one way or the other is just wrong. We've been presented with no solid evidence either way, so acting like we did or drawing foregone conclusions shouldn't be acceptable.

The idiots claiming ''she obviously must be lying'' are just as misguided and intellectually dishonest as the idiots claiming ''these clowns obviously did it''.

You shouldn't be standing up for either party, you should remain neutral and supportive of both sides until any amount of evidence is presented.

Having a solid stance is just wrong? The argument seems to boil down to consent at this point, not if these events actually happened.

Even if the courts find that she gave consent in the moment I could never support someone who has sex with a girl and then let’s in 7 of his friends to have at it with her. 18 year old girls don’t tell their moms when they have consensual gang bangs usually.

Maybe you feel fine being neutral and supporting men who put women into uncomfortable sexual situations that would be extreme for a hardcore porn actress, let alone an 18 year old girl who was just expecting sex with one guy and not an entire team, but I’m not bro.

Basically, I don’t give a f*** about legalities, or arguing about the finer points of consent. I will never respect men who traumatize a woman like that, even if in the moment she said it was okay, im sure it was hard for these guys to tell if it was okay with all her crying and wanting to leave /s.

She even said in the text “I was ok with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn’t expecting.”

That’s just so messed up, as a guy I can’t imagine doing that to a woman. Who cares if it’s legal? Lol

These guys won’t have to worry though. The HFBoards defence team works hard and they even work for free. f***ing clowns bro.

This is my last post on the topic though.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Copy and paste from the same lawyers?

Because lawyers and law firms know what they’re doing

Lawyers generally don’t write these statements. PR firms do

 

[Quinning]

Copy and paste from the same lawyers?

They have to ask themselves what they're trying to achieve here.

Copying and pasting generic, bland exonerations of guilt does nothing but make it seem like this is a giant coverup being handled by the same law firm. I get not wanting to be super specific here, but come on.

It's like plagiarizing a history paper. You don't copy the thing word for word, you actually have to spend time rejigging the whole thing if you don't want to get caught.

Having a solid stance is just wrong? The argument seems to boil down to consent at this point, not if these events actually happened.

Even if the courts find that she gave consent in the moment I could ever support someone who has sex with a girl and then let’s in 7 of his friends to have at it with her. 18 year old girls don’t tell their moms when they have consensual gang bangs usually.

Maybe you feel fine being neutral and supporting men who put women into uncomfortable sexual situations that would be extreme for a hardcore porn actress, let alone an 18 year old girl who was just expecting sex with one guy and not an entire team, but I’m not bro.

Basically, I don’t give a f*** about legalities, or arguing about the finer points of consent. I will never respect men who traumatize a woman like that, even if in the moment she said it was okay, im sure it was hard for these guys to tell if it was okay with all her crying and wanting to leave /s.

She even said in the text “I was ok with going home with you, it was everyone else afterwards that I wasn’t expecting.”

That’s just so messed up, as a guy I can’t imagine doing that to a woman. Who cares if it’s legal? Lol

These guys won’t have to worry though. The HFBoards defence team works hard and they even work for free. f***ing clowns bro.

Porn is also incredibly toxic and warps the boundaries of what's acceptable.

I'd be willing to bet there is a correlation between violent sex offending criminals and the age they were exposed to online porn.

I remember kids passing around websites when I was 8 f***ing years old.

 

[surixon]

Why are all of these statements nearly direct copies of each other?

Because agents and lawyers got involved and fashioned them. A group of players had the same agent and the agent fashioned a blanket statement for all of them.