Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[New User Name]

I don't care how kinky or open minded or promiscuous you are. Going from agreeing to sex with one individual and it turning into a suprise gangbang with 8 individuals is a huge shift.

Something that requires planning, and vetting of all parties well in advance and definitely while sober.

To suprise it on a drunk girl is big yikes.

I'm not sure about that. I'm sure a lot or most of the guys were drinking too. Their level of alcohol certainly might play into bad decisions.

 

[I am toxic]

Well, if Renney hadn't retired, he would have been fired. Should still be sanctioned. Along with anyone else involved in authorizing the creation of a hush-money fund.

Sportsnet confirmed Tuesday that before this separate fund was set up, any sexual assault claim settlements were handled through insurance. A source with knowledge of Hockey Canada said the fund was created under the leadership of former CEO Tom Renney. Renney retired on July 1 and was replaced by Scott Smith, who is president and COO. (According to sources, his retirement was not prompted by the allegations or investigation.)

Hockey has a toxic culture problem, and it starts at the top. Outside parties are going to have to be the ones to fix this mess.

I know. I know. The gif comparison is unfair.




To rotten fishhead carcasses.

 

[DuklaNation]

You can easily separate who has legal experience and who doesn't from so many of these comments. smh

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Obviously not, I only spew awful posts about women I don't know so that I can defend hockey bros that will never notice me!! If it was somebody close to me I'd support them 100%!!


I can't take some of you posters in this thread, it feels like I'm not talking to somebody that lives in the same society as me

Some people will defend anyone or anything if they can rationalize to themselves that they are battling against SJWs or the "woke mob". The blinders these people choose to look through and the ferocity with which they defend disgusting people is really alarming. Its really pointless arguing or debating with them - you may think you are discussing the gang rape in question, but they are waging (in their minds) a far more righteous battle.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Forget the legal stuff, because she doesn't even want charges. I'm gonna talk LIFE.

If you and your friends are 8 on 1ing some drunkish girl, and you're not already 100% completely sure she's all about it, you've already completely f***ed up.

If it's already accepted that she was surprised by the other 7 guys showing up, and was only THEN possibly given the option to consent, then these guys are gross pieces of shit.

I would like to know if one of these creeps is on the hockey team I support. It is of public interest. If they are on said team, I'm going to let management know that said player should be exiled.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Very questionable situation, was definitely consensual to an extent but not remotely close to the brutal gang rape that was initially portrayed by the media and the victim. The best way to put it is if a college student did this he'd get kicked out of school vs. going to jail.

Thank you for the update.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Very questionable situation, was definitely consensual to an extent but not remotely close to the brutal gang rape that was initially portrayed by the media and the victim. The best way to put it is if a college student did this he'd get kicked out of school vs. going to jail.

This is probably the worst summary anyone could ever write about this case and you should be ashamed you even committed those words to a post on the Internet.

 

[Evergreen]

It would not preclude her from aiding the criminal probe, but she would need to navigate her statements to the police in a manner that would not be in violation of the settlement agreement.

That’s not true. Any clause in the settlement agreement that purports to limit the victim’s participation in a criminal investigation in such a way that would obstruct the ability of police to conduct the investigation would be totally void. Certainly there are terms of the agreement that the victim wouldn’t need to share because it’s not helpful, like her payout, but anything that would actually be helpful to police could be shared.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Since, again, people are confused about consent: @99ovr

Very questionable situation, was definitely consensual to an extent but not remotely close to the brutal gang rape that was initially portrayed by the media and the victim. The best way to put it is if a college student did this he'd get kicked out of school vs. going to jail.

Thank you for the update.

That’s not an update. That’s someone who is victim blaming.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Since, again, people are confused about consent: @99ovr







That’s not an update. That’s someone who is victim blaming.

Ok thank you for the update

 

[Mingus Dew]

What if they ask for Tea and drink the tea but in the morning decided “I shouldn’t have had the Tea?” It is there fault for serving me tea even though I said ok I will have tea ?

Reasonably believing that consent was obtained is an affirmative defense to a sexual assault charge. There are legal mechanisms in place under Canadian law to deal with it.

This sort of thing barely ever happens though despite people wringing their hands about "the innocent young men whose lives are being ruined by false accusations".

 

[Sun God Nika]

If it went from you deciding to have just a single cup of tea but then someone forced an additional seven down your throat, that is not your fault and it wasn’t okay.

What if you brought 7 more cups of tea after the first cup because the person really enjoyed the tea at the time ? You also ask the person you ok with getting 7 more cups of tea ? And they say i definitely am ! Then they go home the next day and the mom said they should not have served you 7 cups of tea that is ridiculous even though you said you were ok with it and the people serving the tea were inexperienced and just thought asking was enough ?

 

[Satan]

chiming in,

gangbanger here, if that matters

have never agreed to settle for 3.55M from a secret fund for uninsurable liabilities with any of the participants (some of whom are men and women of standing). generally not something you'd do if everything was consensual, enthusiastically and continuously throughout. particularly when your organization has stated explicitly that they don't settle on frivolous claims

my two cents on the matter

excuse me

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Is it more believable to you that she would consent to something like that as opposed to her not consenting?

yes?

 

[Mingus Dew]

What if you brought 7 more cups of tea after the first cup because the person really enjoyed the tea at the time ? You also ask the person you ok with getting 7 more cups of tea ? And they say i definitely am ! Then they go home the next day and the mom said they should not have served you 7 cups of tea that is ridiculous even though you said you were ok with it and the people serving the tea were inexperienced and just thought asking was enough ?

The standard is one of reasonableness. What would a reasonable person have done in that situation? Would a reasonable person have believed that consent was obtained?

Their subjective level of experience is irrelevant.

 

[PostBradMalone]

What if you brought 7 more cups of tea after the first cup because the person really enjoyed the tea at the time ? You also ask the person you ok with getting 7 more cups of tea ? And they say i definitely am !

Except that’s not what happened here based on the information we have so your metaphor stops being applicable.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

My point was that group sex exists. It is a part of the life of many adults, many more than a lot of people would think, and so long as it is consentual between all parties involved it isn't my place to label it ''wrong''.

Consent is the key factor at play. Gang bangs are not gang rapes, group sex isn't group rape, that much should be obvious and was clearly stated in the post you quoted.


Is she consenting to engage in sexual acts with those six other people too?

If she is, then it's her right, no matter what or how strongly opposed my opinion about it would be. If she isn't, then they would obviously be rapists if they ignored her lack of consent and forced/coerced her into having sex with them.

You're [mod] reaching at anything you can to try to paint this situation in a more positive light for your hockey players.
It has been four years since the incident. If the victim was into the group sex, gang bang life style the HC lawyers and investigators would have put that out there by now. I am sure they have investigated every corner of her life already.
You really should shut up or find another avenue to prove your boys did nothing wrong.

 

[H3ckt1k]

yes?

Interesting

 

[Advanced stats]

Somewhere out there there's 8 hockey players shitting bricks wondering if they'll ever play again.

Somewhere out there is a woman who thought this was all over, only to have it all brought up again 4 years later.

I literally can't think of a winner anywhere in all this.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

What if you brought 7 more cups of tea after the first cup because the person really enjoyed the tea at the time ? You also ask the person you ok with getting 7 more cups of tea ? And they say i definitely am ! Then they go home the next day and the mom said they should not have served you 7 cups of tea that is ridiculous even though you said you were ok with it and the people serving the tea were inexperienced and just thought asking was enough ?

Who has consensual sex with eight other people and goes home to tell mom in the morning?

 

[MXD]

Somewhere out there there's 8 hockey players shitting bricks wondering if they'll ever play again.

Somewhere out there is a woman who thought this was all over, only to have it all brought up again 4 years later.

I literally can't think of a winner anywhere in all this.

...The Canadian taxpayers not having their tax money serve as hush money, for starters.

 

[H3ckt1k]

Who has consensual sex with eight other people and goes home to tell mom in the morning?

Well apparently gangbangs are much more common than we think so it must be normal to tell your mom after one, or at least thats what certain posters in this thread have led me to believe

 

[Dan Patrick]

Since, again, people are confused about consent: @99ovr







That’s not an update. That’s someone who is victim blaming.

It seems you are confused as this video really doesnt have baring on the situation of the evening in question. The issues at hand are changing the original terms of consent and or coercion in obtaining consent. Which really arent covered well in the video you posted. I also think there is a distinction worth making between forcing someone to perform sexual acts and coercing someone to do it. Both are terrible but there is certainly a difference, with one being much more difficult for people to understand.

 

[Shawn Heins 44]

English is not my mother tongue, I definately am no lawyer and while I have read some articles about the case I do not know all the details. But what I do know is that it is highly highly unlikely that a 18yo girl would want to have sex with 8 guys after each other. Does group sex exist? Of course, do gang-bangs exist? Of course. Do 18yo girls want to be gang-banged? Of course not!!!

I was in a school camp 20 years ago where a girl was completely drunk and wanted each guy to grab her boobs. No we did not do it, yes some of us were drunk as well but you still know when the person actually will regret it the next day.

This may result in legal charges or not, but to me these guys that took part are disgusting men and I definately do not want to have to watch them on my TV.

 

[PostBradMalone]

It seems you are confused as this video really doesnt have baring on the situation of the evening in question. The issues at hand are changing the original terms of consent and or coercion in obtaining consent.

Neither is an “issue” because both invalidate actual consent. You cannot change the “terms of the deal” without the other party’s consent and you can’t force/coerce/manipulate them into providing it. This isn’t hard, but that so many people (men) here seem confused by this simple concept is frightening.

Which really arent covered well in the video you posted. I also think there is a distinction worth making between forcing someone to perform sexual acts and coercing someone to do it. Both are terrible but there is certainly a difference, with one being much more difficult for people to understand.

There is literally no difference.